Mon Dec 11, 2023 6:00 pm
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Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:11 pm
Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:17 pm
Borders Blue wrote:Sorry, I have to say that even though the Sala airplane gesture was obnoxious aren't we crossing a line here in making such things criminal. Why were the police involve ffs. The offender could have been banned from the club and that is fair enough but criminalising such behaviour leaves it open for the government to have total control over us. If he were inciting opposition fans, then police involvement may have been necessary because that could have led to violence and injury. But the police spokesman said that they were concerned that: "Directing chants, comments or gestures that refer to tragic incidents at rival fans is highly offensive and can cause genuine distress to those affected by those incidents. In my view, being offensive should not attract criminal charges: many comedians would agree.
Mon Dec 11, 2023 7:29 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Borders Blue wrote:Sorry, I have to say that even though the Sala airplane gesture was obnoxious aren't we crossing a line here in making such things criminal. Why were the police involve ffs. The offender could have been banned from the club and that is fair enough but criminalising such behaviour leaves it open for the government to have total control over us. If he were inciting opposition fans, then police involvement may have been necessary because that could have led to violence and injury. But the police spokesman said that they were concerned that: "Directing chants, comments or gestures that refer to tragic incidents at rival fans is highly offensive and can cause genuine distress to those affected by those incidents. In my view, being offensive should not attract criminal charges: many comedians would agree.
If he’d gone to prison, I’d agree with you. It’s not a custodial offence.
But a football banning order is right. It means he can’t go to any game. Don’t know about you, but don’t think people like that should be at football games.
Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:25 pm
Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:00 pm
Borders Blue wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Borders Blue wrote:Sorry, I have to say that even though the Sala airplane gesture was obnoxious aren't we crossing a line here in making such things criminal. Why were the police involve ffs. The offender could have been banned from the club and that is fair enough but criminalising such behaviour leaves it open for the government to have total control over us. If he were inciting opposition fans, then police involvement may have been necessary because that could have led to violence and injury. But the police spokesman said that they were concerned that: "Directing chants, comments or gestures that refer to tragic incidents at rival fans is highly offensive and can cause genuine distress to those affected by those incidents. In my view, being offensive should not attract criminal charges: many comedians would agree.
If he’d gone to prison, I’d agree with you. It’s not a custodial offence.
But a football banning order is right. It means he can’t go to any game. Don’t know about you, but don’t think people like that should be at football games.
So glad you agree that such behaviour should not attract a custodial offence but I would argue that it should not attract any criminal charge. I think you may be being a little harsh on the man really. I would need to know much more about the incident before passing judgement. Have you ever been drunk and said or done something wrong? This man may have been drunk for all I know. But much depends on the length of the ban really. If it's a life ban then that would be ridiculous but a ban for the rest of the season may be fair.
Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:10 am
Borders Blue wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Borders Blue wrote:Sorry, I have to say that even though the Sala airplane gesture was obnoxious aren't we crossing a line here in making such things criminal. Why were the police involve ffs. The offender could have been banned from the club and that is fair enough but criminalising such behaviour leaves it open for the government to have total control over us. If he were inciting opposition fans, then police involvement may have been necessary because that could have led to violence and injury. But the police spokesman said that they were concerned that: "Directing chants, comments or gestures that refer to tragic incidents at rival fans is highly offensive and can cause genuine distress to those affected by those incidents. In my view, being offensive should not attract criminal charges: many comedians would agree.
If he’d gone to prison, I’d agree with you. It’s not a custodial offence.
But a football banning order is right. It means he can’t go to any game. Don’t know about you, but don’t think people like that should be at football games.
So glad you agree that such behaviour should not attract a custodial offence but I would argue that it should not attract any criminal charge. I think you may be being a little harsh on the man really. I would need to know much more about the incident before passing judgement. Have you ever been drunk and said or done something wrong? This man may have been drunk for all I know. But much depends on the length of the ban really. If it's a life ban then that would be ridiculous but a ban for the rest of the season may be fair.