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" Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:12 am

Howard Webb is the head of the PGMOL and in charge of all professional referees and decisions in the Premier League and EFL. Kevin Friend manages Championship referees but Webb is the head of the PGMOL and therefore his superior.

Howard Webb is a Rotherham United fan and was at the game.

It's been confirmed that he was in the tunnel talking to the referee. The fact that he's a Rotherham fan means he can't look at it impartially and shouldn't have been having conversations with the referee.

The EFL have a big decision to make. They have the right to award a 1-0 victory to us. Been confirmed they're reviewing it.

There is video evidence of Rotherham's ground staff pushing water on to the pitch and that there were sprinklers on at half time.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:52 am

Spot on Ned - Webb was at the game and the ITV showed that tonight .
This game could have restarted an hour or two later - with the floodlights on and giving time to clear up the rain.
Don't buy in to this H&S stuff - Games have stopped in past for various reasons and restarted again .

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:36 am

Agree with what you say although I would be truly amazed if this doesnt result in a full midweek replay

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:35 am

No doubt whatsoever that this will result in a rearranged fixture. They will say that the sheer volume of water made it impossible to deal with

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:00 am

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Firstly, that pitch was not playable the decision was correct whoever assisted in making the decision.

There are questions to answer in respects to the speed with which the groundsmen were put to work, the number of groundsmen put to work and the equipment available to them.

Added to that is why a Championship ground was not able to take a 15 minute downpour.

A mate watching the live feed said that Rotherham commentators said the ground had the best drainage in the league and also the brief rainstorm WAS expected so why water the pitch at half time.

At most Rotherham could be fined if the ground was already saturated to start and the groundsmen were not at pitch edge waiting for the rain to start. The delay was paramount .

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:13 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:The EFL have a big decision to make. They have the right to award a 1-0 victory to us. Been confirmed they're reviewing it.


There's a first time for everything I suppose but I'm not holding my breath.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:50 am

We all no whats coming a spineless replay because in this country every one is scared to make decisions that may upset someone. We were bossing it at 1-0 rain came down they turned sprinklers on and did nothing really so in my eyes 1-0 city move on.
I will be amazed if they see it that way.

Also if its a replay start the game on 47 mins 1-0 to city why do we have to play all over again its stupid .
Nobody anymore is man enough to make bold decisions these days

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:54 am

I agree that the pitch at that time was unplayable. However, the fact that ROTHERHAM run the sprinklers during half time surely means that they are responsible for the state of the pitch. Just bear in mind that the pitch was playable 15 minutes before, and was not playable only 3 minutes after the restart. ROTHERHAM must be sanctioned for that. They will I guess bleat that the sprinkler system was automatically set for half time, but I won't buy that either as the main water valve surely could have been closed in seconds, IF that was decided was the necessary action to be taken. It certainly seems that ROTHERHAM were fully responsible for the pitch condition. The pitch unplayable after 15 minutes of rain??? I don't think so. It's a fairly modern stadium. :old:

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:22 am

Howard Webb is exactly the right guy to advise the ref on the day. Like you say he’s the head ref, plus with years of experience. Impartiality doesn’t come into it. He advised on the protocol and the ref made the decision. The fact that this new ground can’t cope with a 10 minute rainfall or that the grounds staff are totally inept isn’t on Howard Webb. Hopefully City take this all the way, demanding refunds for travelling fans and the result to stand. I’d like a big fine for Rotherham as well.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:36 am

There are two issues here:

The freak weather during half time - It was clear that the match had to be stopped on 48 minutes. and it was clear that the pitch was still unfit some 30 minutes later. And I would say that in that context the decision to abandon the match was correct.

The actions or indeed inaction of Rotherham FC - two things which raise questions, the use of sprinklers and the "actions" of ground staff after the rain. This is where the EFL will need to decide whether they will have to decide if it was willful or just crap. either way Rotherham are likely to face some saction

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:40 am

Just let us start 1-0’ up. That should sort it out. Play the second half with us leading and I don’t see how anyone can complain about that.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 11:40 am

Totally agree. Right to abandon the game but the issue is why it came to that decision.
A ground unable to cope with a downpour and then the efforts to rectify the situation were shambolic.
Won’t get us anywhere though.

Tuesday night away game is going to be harder now, plus lost the chance of winning momentum going into the jacks game. This episode could end up being the difference between staying in the division or not.

Imagine Rotherham staying up at our expense - could easily happen.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:42 pm

bluecityblue wrote:Howard Webb is exactly the right guy to advise the ref on the day. Like you say he’s the head ref, plus with years of experience. Impartiality doesn’t come into it. He advised on the protocol and the ref made the decision. The fact that this new ground can’t cope with a 10 minute rainfall or that the grounds staff are totally inept isn’t on Howard Webb. Hopefully City take this all the way, demanding refunds for travelling fans and the result to stand. I’d like a big fine for Rotherham as well.


No issues with him as a referee, actually think that Webb and Clattenburg were the last quality referees in the UK. The ones since them are nowhere near their level.

But how on earth can Webb look at this objectively when he's a lifelong Rotherham fan? A lot of the blame should go to RUFC. But it was totally wrong for Webb to speak to the referee when he supports Rotherham.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:24 am

We all know webb had his say and would have said to the ref
"if it was me i would say its unplayable" e 2 times in 5 years Cardiff have been sh.gg.d by the weather and the EFL. They cannot blame warnock this time as lamouchi has been gagged but we all know whats coming rotherham have there full team back amd we will probably have injuries
End of rant.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:02 pm

Carpe Diem wrote:Totally agree. Right to abandon the game but the issue is why it came to that decision.
A ground unable to cope with a downpour and then the efforts to rectify the situation were shambolic.
Won’t get us anywhere though.

Tuesday night away game is going to be harder now, plus lost the chance of winning momentum going into the jacks game. This episode could end up being the difference between staying in the division or not.

Imagine Rotherham staying up at our expense - could easily happen.

Imagine this happening at 75 mins, they are 0-1 would we have seen everyone busting a gut to clear the water ????? Managers, physios etc etc :banghead:

Re: " Howard Webb "

Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:07 pm

Problem is, IF we get a 1-0 result given what about goal difference as I think we could have had a few.

After their actions we should be awarded a 3-0 win.

Re: " Howard Webb "

Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:18 pm

I really like your optimism. :lol: I would be happy with 3 points & a 1-0 win, but we know there's more chance of the pope being found out to be a protestant. :laughing5:

Re: " Howard Webb "

Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:25 pm

I'm an eternal optimist after following City for so long mate lol.