The Forever Blue forum

With a few others we should call this.

I feel it’s putting some fans off writing what they think, other then the hardcore old school forum users of course.

The forever blue standpoint, ownership disapproval and at times hatred is clear, and from many others, but you will never represent all fans, a forum should be just that, said many times on here over the years, I will be beaten up for this post, but will share my thoughts anyway, that’s what a forum should be about, all fans’ views.

We will stay up! Tan has put millions into the club, when he did not need to, he has not done this in the best way, think all fans agree there, but did take us twice to the premier league, a place, I like you all, never thought we would be, funding slows down we all jump on him, he/we lost millions on Sala, how unlucky can you get, with the record transfer fee from the club, for a striker, a plane lands in the sea, with that assist, and backed up by a pandemic no one could see, hitting his businesses hard, but yet we say, put, more and more in Vincent, we should give the guy a break, and be thankful and support him in my view only of course.

Bet he hates us as fans, because he knows what he has put in cash wise personally, we don’t really know, some think they know.

Anyway, Tan has made mistakes, many, but In my view only, we are very disrespectful to what he has done. And not all Fans hate him though we understand he has made mistakes, I believe Tan will take us back up again, let’s sing his name with love.

The problem is its not the money people are moaning about but Tans stubbornness and interference in the team that's gets our backs up.

His naivety in thinking he can control every aspect of the club including shit transfers.

We want a director of football and some knowledge of football at the top. No body is questioning his commitment about how much he puts into the club financially.

But what did happen to the £170 million from the premier league ?

Well said , we all have different views . But we all want success for the club , most fans don't look for negatives to beat the club (VT) with , some fans seem to wish for bad news , so they can revel in it . But , I suppose we can't all be forever positive !

The problem is its not the money people are moaning about but Tans stubbornness and interference in the team that's gets our backs up.

His naivety in thinking he can control every aspect of the club including shit transfers.

We want a director of football and some knowledge of football at the top. No body is questioning his commitment about how much he puts into the club financially.

But what did happen to the £170 million from the premier league ?

Read the accounts, the 170 million basically went on players wages bonuses and transfer fees.

Like tan or hate him ,if you were a business man and you made mistakes you would learn from them not carry on doing the same , that's what a lot of fans cannot get there head around, doesn't he realize interfering all the time doesn't work,that's the problem with him no disrespect he needs proper football people running the club,not people who think they know football

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

I was going to stay of this thread as it’s just a delib wind up.

The hierarchy have wasted so much on the Rebrand, court case after court case, bad judgment on players and over all totally running our club clueless.
Wez, even now sticks up for these clown’s.

We are in this mess after 13 years of terrible decisions.


It’s been done to death how badly they have run our club, and everything has been signed off by Tan, even his No2 Dalman said everything always goes through Tan to have the last decisions.


We are now in debt to Tan and Dalman at high interest m.

We have been promised time and time again we would be debt free, well the debt has risen.

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

I was going to stay of this thread as it’s just a delib wind up.

The hierarchy have wasted so much on the Rebrand, court case after court case, bad judgment on players and over all totally running our club clueless.
Wez, even now sticks up for these clown’s.

We are in this mess after 13 years of terrible decisions.


It’s been done to death how badly they have run our club, and everything has been signed off by Tan, even his No2 Dalman said everything always goes through Tan to have the last decisions.


We are now in debt to Tan and Dalman at high interest m.

We have been promised time and time again we would be debt free, well the debt has risen.

Everyone is entitled to their views, I don’t agree with yours in the regime but such is life !

However, just be careful about making claims about “high interest” loans and “debt”. The loans do not all charge “high interest” and “debt” is a moot point as a lot has been transferred to Tan by way of shares. It might be a technical point but it’s factually correct and safeguards the clubs position rather than the owner.

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

I was going to stay of this thread as it’s just a delib wind up.

The hierarchy have wasted so much on the Rebrand, court case after court case, bad judgment on players and over all totally running our club clueless.
Wez, even now sticks up for these clown’s.

We are in this mess after 13 years of terrible decisions.


It’s been done to death how badly they have run our club, and everything has been signed off by Tan, even his No2 Dalman said everything always goes through Tan to have the last decisions.


We are now in debt to Tan and Dalman at high interest m.

We have been promised time and time again we would be debt free, well the debt has risen.

Everyone is entitled to their views, I don’t agree with yours in the regime but such is life !

However, just be careful about making claims about “high interest” loans and “debt”. The loans do not all charge “high interest” and “debt” is a moot point as a lot has been transferred to Tan by way of shares. It might be a technical point but it’s factually correct and safeguards the clubs position rather than the owner.

Well we are paying 9% interest.


But your right your opinion is different, you must believe we are well run on and off the pitch , but my views are backed up by sad facts.

Please answer?

Where are we in the league?

How is our debt ?

What’s your value of our current squad?

Are the crowds dwindling?

So your saying the majority of our fans are currently happy? Or just you and a few others?


Do you believe Tan & his regime are doing a good job with our club?

Are you happy how things are?


Have we a transfer embargo?

Have we not had court case after court case ?


Please answer as you always say you disagree with my views, but disappear and never answer, but will in a future thread say the opposite again to me without explaining????

And in 10 mins you will go of line, very sad

For what it's worth I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and I personally have had quite a few disagreements with Annis, but whilst being grateful to Mr Tan for putting obviously vast amounts of money in and do think it's time to move on as he has surrounded himself with idiots who have done nothing to help our club. ( MD now saying " it's nothing to do with me " ) well what you here for then ? Choo, ( goes on away days on coaches ) WOW !!
Einstein said if you keep making the same mistakes......
If Mr Tan wanted to follow a proven football club plan he would have seen EVERY one of them have a DoF but no, not us, why because he either was told we didn't need one or he thought he knew best, either way look at us, manager after manager took him for a mug, advised by people with no football experience, pandemic, ES tragedy, court case after court case ( some wins some losses ) dwindling crowds.

For what it's worth I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and I personally have had quite a few disagreements with Annis, but whilst being grateful to Mr Tan for putting obviously vast amounts of money in and do think it's time to move on as he has surrounded himself with idiots who have done nothing to help our club. ( MD now saying " it's nothing to do with me " ) well what you here for then ? Choo, ( goes on away days on coaches ) WOW !!
Einstein said if you keep making the same mistakes......
If Mr Tan wanted to follow a proven football club plan he would have seen EVERY one of them have a DoF but no, not us, why because he either was told we didn't need one or he thought he knew best, either way look at us, manager after manager took him for a mug, advised by people with no football experience, pandemic, ES tragedy, court case after court case ( some wins some losses ) dwindling crowds.

Jules, so much truth in what you say, We now need a fresh owner and new board to go forward

I too have had a few disagreements with annis on the subject but Jules is right imho.

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

I was going to stay of this thread as it’s just a delib wind up.

The hierarchy have wasted so much on the Rebrand, court case after court case, bad judgment on players and over all totally running our club clueless.
Wez, even now sticks up for these clown’s.

We are in this mess after 13 years of terrible decisions.


It’s been done to death how badly they have run our club, and everything has been signed off by Tan, even his No2 Dalman said everything always goes through Tan to have the last decisions.


We are now in debt to Tan and Dalman at high interest m.

We have been promised time and time again we would be debt free, well the debt has risen.

Everyone is entitled to their views, I don’t agree with yours in the regime but such is life !

However, just be careful about making claims about “high interest” loans and “debt”. The loans do not all charge “high interest” and “debt” is a moot point as a lot has been transferred to Tan by way of shares. It might be a technical point but it’s factually correct and safeguards the clubs position rather than the owner.

Well we are paying 9% interest.


But your right your opinion is different, you must believe we are well run on and off the pitch , but my views are backed up by sad facts.

Please answer?

Where are we in the league?

You know where we are in the table, so do I. If you’re confused look it up yourself. Clue: we’re struggling !!

How is our debt ?

I don’t really know as I’m no accountant, nor are you. My take on it is that we owe too much money. However, the money owed is transparent and most of it is owed to our owner or chairman.

That means that whatever happens they won’t let us lurch into Administration because that would mean they would only get, on average, 20-25p for every pound whereas if they decided to cut their losses and sell cheaply they would still get around 50p in the pound at worse. They may not know football but they know money !!

Unlike previous owners who, against FFP regs nowadays, created dodgy companies themselves and then lent the club (I.e. themselves !!) millions at very high interest rates.

What’s your value of our current squad?

More than this time last season. Allsop, Romeo, McGuinness, Ng, Collins, Wintle, Rinomhota, Robinson, Davies and Colwill would all generate fees. I’d guess £8-10m.

Are the crowds dwindling?

Again, look it up yourself. Although I think I’m right in saying away travel numbers are up.

So your saying the majority of our fans are currently happy? Or just you and a few others?

I think the majority of our fans recognise it’s probably time for change. HOWEVER, the vast majority do not want Tan to walk away, they want a buyer to come in, get close to satisfying Tan’s price and still have significant moneys to invest in both the club and squad.

What they certainly don’t want it some wreckless idiot to come back and take us down a repeat of “Black Friday” and close to losing OUR club.


Do you believe Tan & his regime are doing a good job with our club?

At the moment no. I think they have lost interest and the sacking of Morison was way too premature. Results weren’t great but we knew our direction of travel and could see the long term plan.

We should have had a director of football years ago.

However, you can’t gloss over the fact we have been in the Carling Cup Final and twice in the Premiership so to say everything has been bad is factually incorrect.

Are you happy how things are?

No, see above.


Have we a transfer embargo?

Don’t ask me questions that everyone knows the answer of, it’s childish.

We were also under embargoes with previous iwners though.

Have we not had court case after court case ?

We have. That doesn’t mean that it was wrong to start them. A number of them were won, partially won or at least exposed some facts/lies from various parties.

The Sala cases will continue and I am firmly of the belief that if they do get to full trials that we will not be the only ones having to pay out for the tragedy.


Please answer as you always say you disagree with my views, but disappear and never answer, but will in a future thread say the opposite again to me without explaining????

And in 10 mins you will go of line, very sad.

You make me laugh !! Do you really think that I’m that sad and under occupied to stay on here all day just in case you ask me a question !!??

I’ve never not answered your questions, I just don’t answer them in way that agrees with your opinion !!

However, I’m on now so I’ve answered all your questions above !!

What an absolute wind up of a post.

The topic however throws up, or at least confirms the point that all opinions are valid.

Ive been calling for the dictator to leave for 4 years, often being shot down and ridiculed. Nice to know that for all these years my comments were valid.

Id like to add, in my opinion, that the majority DO want all three clowns gone from the club, there is no appetite for them to stay in any way shape or form.

People say he funds the club. That may be so, but the funding is reducing year after year after year and the last part of our club to be funded will be the team funding (which in my opinion stopped a long time ago).

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

The season we went up with warnock we paid 10s of millions in bonuses we lost 60 million just by going up that season .

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

I was going to stay of this thread as it’s just a delib wind up.

The hierarchy have wasted so much on the Rebrand, court case after court case, bad judgment on players and over all totally running our club clueless.
Wez, even now sticks up for these clown’s.

We are in this mess after 13 years of terrible decisions.


It’s been done to death how badly they have run our club, and everything has been signed off by Tan, even his No2 Dalman said everything always goes through Tan to have the last decisions.


We are now in debt to Tan and Dalman at high interest m.

We have been promised time and time again we would be debt free, well the debt has risen.

9% is not high interestits standard intresr you as a business man kbow this , 20 % is high interest which Isaacs was charging but Tan has written off his intrest and tbf to him has written off over 70 million if his loans

Wez.
I dont see how 170 million went mostly on player wages and transfer fees but I haven't seen the accounts.

For example 30 players on 40000 a week is roughly 62.5 million.
Then what transfer fees? Our biggest transfer was £15 million for sala which was never paid. Other than that we paid 10 million for Bobby Reid and made that back on his future sale.
11 million on josh Murphy and chuck in a few bonuses here and there I just can't see how that is anywhere near 170 million!!!

So where has the rest gone?

Like I said I haven't seen the figures but just can't see where that much money has gone and for us to still be in 100 million debt?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.waleso ... 944305.amp 23 million in bonus payments .

There's a few on this forum always saying wheres the money gone , Tan love him or hate him has put 250 million into the club , losses are in the accounts, there's no one taking money out of the club apart from choo and Dalman , the accounts are there for all to see every year , kieth does a great summary every year , the fact is that most of our monies over the last 23 years from sam , risdale and now tan has gone on wages and bad transfer fees ,football clubs seem to be the only business that the wages are way over the income. Owners are gambling to try and get in the premiership and stay there , Tan has gambled and lostsi far , the next owner will do too and will probably lose too .

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.waleso ... 944305.amp 23 million in bonus payments .[/quote]

So if these figures are to be believed, and MDs recent comments distancing himself from accountability and footing the blame firmly at tans door, combined with the losses of revenue due to rebrand etc, then for me, the buck stops firmly at vinnies door.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.waleso ... 944305.amp 23 million in bonus payments .

So if these figures are to be believed, and MDs recent comments distancing himself from accountability and footing the blame firmly at tans door, combined with the losses of revenue due to rebrand etc, then for me, the buck stops firmly at vinnies door.

Missing the point , people are saying wheres the money gone from the promotion season evidently it's in players , agents and dalman and choos pockets . But we are not unique most clubs outside the premiership are lossing vast amounts of cash too .

With a few others we should call this.

I feel it’s putting some fans off writing what they think, other then the hardcore old school forum users of course.

The forever blue standpoint, ownership disapproval and at times hatred is clear, and from many others, but you will never represent all fans, a forum should be just that, said many times on here over the years, I will be beaten up for this post, but will share my thoughts anyway, that’s what a forum should be about, all fans’ views.

We will stay up! Tan has put millions into the club, when he did not need to, he has not done this in the best way, think all fans agree there, but did take us twice to the premier league, a place, I like you all, never thought we would be, funding slows down we all jump on him, he/we lost millions on Sala, how unlucky can you get, with the record transfer fee from the club, for a striker, a plane lands in the sea, with that assist, and backed up by a pandemic no one could see, hitting his businesses hard, but yet we say, put, more and more in Vincent, we should give the guy a break, and be thankful and support him in my view only of course.

Bet he hates us as fans, because he knows what he has put in cash wise personally, we don’t really know, some think they know.

Anyway, Tan has made mistakes, many, but In my view only, we are very disrespectful to what he has done. And not all Fans hate him though we understand he has made mistakes, I believe Tan will take us back up again, let’s sing his name with love.

To be fair to annis we don't agree on somethings but you can't deny that he's passionate for cardiff city and a proper fan , we have many things we agree on and some were disagree on .

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Missing the point , people are saying wheres the money gone from the promotion season evidently it's in players , agents and dalman and choos pockets . But we are not unique most clubs outside the premiership are lossing vast amounts of cash too .[/quote]

Fair point, I was more referring to the total debt levels