Why do the media and some other posters say

That some of our players at the age of 21 are still just kids etc and they need time?

I have said it before in football from 17 upwards you grow up faster and by 19 you should be good enough, by 21 if you really are that good then you will a regular first team player.

I say this as once again another 21 yr old Anthony Gordon has played 60 odd times in the Premier League.

I’m saying this as in the last few years we keep saying our 20, 21 and 22 year olds are still kids ( Glen Williams the worst for it) and need sending out on loan to non league, league 2 teams and the facts are there, they are mainly not good enough as the majority never return any better and most just get released.


As football fans we know Rubin Colwill aged 20 made 54 Championships appearances and Isaak Davies aged 21 are Championship quality and that’s why they stay.


This nonsense of they are still kids and sending them out to non league and league 1 clubs is really because they are not good enough, hope they might make it, but honesty is they virtually don’t and it’s not because they are kids, it’s because by that age you can 99% tell if they are good enough.

The problem also lies with our local media who build them up as stars at the ages of 17,18 etc then the next thing at 19,20,21 they then say they are still kids and need time etc


On another subject for me Ollie Tanner going to a struggling Non League club ( 22nd) Torquay United won’t make him a Championship player, should of gone to at least a League 1 one club. Tanner will be 21 yrs old when he returns and for me he won’t of had the experience he needed if he really is this class player the media built up.



I would love the player to make it but surely by now he would be in our Chamber squad?

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Here's to hoping that SL is the Manager to give them opportunities to both grow and get minutes much like he did at Forest with the likes of Brennan Johnson etc.

Age is just a number as it doesn’t really matter,you’re either good enough or not.I think our club bigs up some of our talent to try to justify not buying players.
Do you know anything about Cian Ashford,seems he’s been out for a while and seemed one for the future.

Cardiff need to start making some serious decisions on the so-called kids.

Luthur (keeper)
Denham (defender)
Wigley (forward)
Crole (forward)
Evans (winger)
King (midfield)
Zimba (forward)
Harris (forward)
Davies (forward)
Sang (defender/midfield)
Colwill (midfield/attack)

Are any of these going to really break through and make an impression in the Cardiff City first team long-term?

It could be a sprinkling of them will.

But Toshack, Ramsey, Ledley were all making a huge impression in the Bluebirds first-team at 16/17 age attained. Cameron Jerome and Nathan Blake a year later, when recruited from Sheffield Wednesday and Chelsea academies respectively.

Chris Gunter and Adam Matthews were making an impression by their late teens too.

Pointless retaining players on hope alone - a waste of financial resources we don't have. False economy.

Cardiff need to start making some serious decisions and not be afraid to wheld the axe.

Also I had to laugh Glen Williams called Mark Harris who is 24 yrs old a kid a couple of months ago.

I think it's because most teams have under 21 and some have under 23 teams.
So if they are at "development" age due to these teams it's naturally the go too.

It's the insane football finances that we currently live with.

If you hang onto a cohort of U21's for that extra season and one suddenly pops up from the group then it's worth it, if you value a championship player as £1~2 million then that pays for that entire season.

Nowadays a big club would have snapped up Ledley, just in case, then sell him on for £500K when he isn't going to make it at the very top level.

As for journalists, well, fans live in hope. We all want to hear we have the next "big thing" so they play up to it.

It's all Fergies fault.

If a youth player has not made it into the first team by the time they are 20 then it is unlikely they will become an ever present there.

Of course there are the exceptionals that make it when they are 17 and go on to better things. Glen Hoddle and Mark Owen being 2 examples. However, most usually stay where they are and go nowhere. Out of every 100 that make it only one becomes exceptional. I think it is a very dangerous game if you rely on your youth to keep you where you are.

Some great examples of players developing late (over the age of 21/23) are Ian Wright and Jamie Vardy

Sometimes (and I think the Bluebird management over several years have been culpable) it's as much about opportunity as it is talent

A run in the team builds confidence and a current player I'd like to given such is Joel Colwill

Haven’t we just signed a kid from West Ham who’s nearly 21 & never played at a level higher than u21’s?

Some players take a little longer than others jamie Vardy and many others did not get there until a little later in age so its not an age thing its a confidence and how they grow many do not get good until 25, Mark Harris needs to start showing that potential but in fairness to the boy he is not a lone striker.

He came on when Warnock was in charge in midfield so who tried to make him a striker when I see him play he is a good player but out and out striker I do not think so.

Also Sadri and Sol might use Colwill he scores goals and a good player but does not play enough giving the chance then we can make a supporters view but after scoring the freekick at QPR I thought we would see a lot more of him but we didnt.

Just have to see what the new management do fingers crossed we can get this club where it should be then look at the young players too

Some players take a little longer than others jamie Vardy and many others did not get there until a little later in age so its not an age thing its a confidence and how they grow many do not get good until 25, Mark Harris needs to start showing that potential but in fairness to the boy he is not a lone striker.

He came on when Warnock was in charge in midfield so who tried to make him a striker when I see him play he is a good player but out and out striker I do not think so.

Also Sadri and Sol might use Colwill he scores goals and a good player but does not play enough giving the chance then we can make a supporters view but after scoring the freekick at QPR I thought we would see a lot more of him but we didnt.

Just have to see what the new management do fingers crossed we can get this club where it should be then look at the young players too

Well for Colwill in particular at the moment a watershed is now approaching as I think it's shit or bust time. If the new management don't fancy him it will almost certainly be goodnight for him at this club.

That some of our players at the age of 21 are still just kids etc and they need time?

I have said it before in football from 17 upwards you grow up faster and by 19 you should be good enough, by 21 if you really are that good then you will a regular first team player.

I say this as once again another 21 yr old Anthony Gordon has played 60 odd times in the Premier League.

I’m saying this as in the last few years we keep saying our 20, 21 and 22 year olds are still kids ( Glen Williams the worst for it) and need sending out on loan to non league, league 2 teams and the facts are there, they are mainly not good enough as the majority never return any better and most just get released.


As football fans we know Rubin Colwill aged 20 made 54 Championships appearances and Isaak Davies aged 21 are Championship quality and that’s why they stay.


This nonsense of they are still kids and sending them out to non league and league 1 clubs is really because they are not good enough, hope they might make it, but honesty is they virtually don’t and it’s not because they are kids, it’s because by that age you can 99% tell if they are good enough.

The problem also lies with our local media who build them up as stars at the ages of 17,18 etc then the next thing at 19,20,21 they then say they are still kids and need time etc


On another subject for me Ollie Tanner going to a struggling Non League club ( 22nd) Torquay United won’t make him a Championship player, should of gone to at least a League 1 one club. Tanner will be 21 yrs old when he returns and for me he won’t of had the experience he needed if he really is this class player the media built up.



I would love the player to make it but surely by now he would be in our Chamber squad?

Spot on you only have to see the very young side Sunderland put out against Fulham today.including a 15 year old who had a goal disallowed

For me, players develop quicker than others and sometimes you don’t see a player peak until a little later.

Some of the loan decisions have baffled me, and there’s times where I don’t see why they can’t make bench appearances.

The constant change in mangers and no real club philosophy makes it even harder for these young players to develop. A lot needs changing from first time to young kids. The academy and first team needs alignment. I wish I had a job in this club.

That some of our players at the age of 21 are still just kids etc and they need time?

I have said it before in football from 17 upwards you grow up faster and by 19 you should be good enough, by 21 if you really are that good then you will a regular first team player.

I say this as once again another 21 yr old Anthony Gordon has played 60 odd times in the Premier League.

I’m saying this as in the last few years we keep saying our 20, 21 and 22 year olds are still kids ( Glen Williams the worst for it) and need sending out on loan to non league, league 2 teams and the facts are there, they are mainly not good enough as the majority never return any better and most just get released.


As football fans we know Rubin Colwill aged 20 made 54 Championships appearances and Isaak Davies aged 21 are Championship quality and that’s why they stay.


This nonsense of they are still kids and sending them out to non league and league 1 clubs is really because they are not good enough, hope they might make it, but honesty is they virtually don’t and it’s not because they are kids, it’s because by that age you can 99% tell if they are good enough.

The problem also lies with our local media who build them up as stars at the ages of 17,18 etc then the next thing at 19,20,21 they then say they are still kids and need time etc


On another subject for me Ollie Tanner going to a struggling Non League club ( 22nd) Torquay United won’t make him a Championship player, should of gone to at least a League 1 one club. Tanner will be 21 yrs old when he returns and for me he won’t of had the experience he needed if he really is this class player the media built up.



I would love the player to make it but surely by now he would be in our Chamber squad?

Anyone 21 and younger are kids in my book ,over that and really they should be pushing for 1st team starting .

If they are young but good enough - You play them ( happens in all sports ) Football / Golf - are 2 sports as examples ...
Alan Hanson said about Man U - You don't Win Nothing with Kids - We Know what happened next

Take a moment .... How are the future players going to come through if they don't get the chance ????
Look at at some players who are playing for the Country in the world at the age and how many golfers have Won on tour .

Team Sport - Or your on your Own ...Time moves On ...

Haven’t we just signed a kid from West Ham who’s nearly 21 & never played at a level higher than u21’s?

Danny is back, Hmmmm?
Surely you know his history.

Lennon Peake aged 20.

Been out injured for over 2 yrs , was 18 yrs old and was ready for the first team at West Ham and was training with the first team. Then had an horrific injury.

If a youth player has not made it into the first team by the time they are 20 then it is unlikely they will become an ever present there.

Of course there are the exceptionals that make it when they are 17 and go on to better things. Glen Hoddle and Mark Owen being 2 examples. However, most usually stay where they are and go nowhere. Out of every 100 that make it only one becomes exceptional. I think it is a very dangerous game if you rely on your youth to keep you where you are.

I didn’t realise Mark Owen was a footballer, I’m pretty sure he is a singer with Take That, but you are right, he did make the break through at 17

That some of our players at the age of 21 are still just kids etc and they need time?

I have said it before in football from 17 upwards you grow up faster and by 19 you should be good enough, by 21 if you really are that good then you will a regular first team player.

I say this as once again another 21 yr old Anthony Gordon has played 60 odd times in the Premier League.

I’m saying this as in the last few years we keep saying our 20, 21 and 22 year olds are still kids ( Glen Williams the worst for it) and need sending out on loan to non league, league 2 teams and the facts are there, they are mainly not good enough as the majority never return any better and most just get released.


As football fans we know Rubin Colwill aged 20 made 54 Championships appearances and Isaak Davies aged 21 are Championship quality and that’s why they stay.


This nonsense of they are still kids and sending them out to non league and league 1 clubs is really because they are not good enough, hope they might make it, but honesty is they virtually don’t and it’s not because they are kids, it’s because by that age you can 99% tell if they are good enough.

The problem also lies with our local media who build them up as stars at the ages of 17,18 etc then the next thing at 19,20,21 they then say they are still kids and need time etc


On another subject for me Ollie Tanner going to a struggling Non League club ( 22nd) Torquay United won’t make him a Championship player, should of gone to at least a League 1 one club. Tanner will be 21 yrs old when he returns and for me he won’t of had the experience he needed if he really is this class player the media built up.



I would love the player to make it but surely by now he would be in our Chamber squad?

Anyone 21 and younger are kids in my book ,over that and really they should be pushing for 1st team starting .

I agree

If a youth player has not made it into the first team by the time they are 20 then it is unlikely they will become an ever present there.

Of course there are the exceptionals that make it when they are 17 and go on to better things. Glen Hoddle and Mark Owen being 2 examples. However, most usually stay where they are and go nowhere. Out of every 100 that make it only one becomes exceptional. I think it is a very dangerous game if you rely on your youth to keep you where you are.

I didn’t realise Mark Owen was a footballer, I’m pretty sure he is a singer with Take That, but you are right, he did make the break through at 17

Totally agree with Annis on this. Premier league clubs have brought on 17 and 18 year olds in league games and they have matured quite well. And Sunderland brought on a 15 year old in the cup at Fulham yesterday and he scored.

Totally agree with Annis on this. Premier league clubs have brought on 17 and 18 year olds in league games and they have matured quite well. And Sunderland brought on a 15 year old in the cup at Fulham yesterday and he scored.

But it was disallowed.

Totally agree with Annis on this. Premier league clubs have brought on 17 and 18 year olds in league games and they have matured quite well. And Sunderland brought on a 15 year old in the cup at Fulham yesterday and he scored.

But it was disallowed.

I stand corrected on that but it doesn't alter the fact that they weren't bothered about bringing a 15 year old on.

Cardiff need to start making some serious decisions on the so-called kids.

Luthur (keeper)
Denham (defender)
Wigley (forward)
Crole (forward)
Evans (winger)
King (midfield)
Zimba (forward)
Harris (forward)
Davies (forward)
Sang (defender/midfield)
Colwill (midfield/attack)

Are any of these going to really break through and make an impression in the Cardiff City first team long-term?


It could be a sprinkling of them will.

But Toshack, Ramsey, Ledley were all making a huge impression in the Bluebirds first-team at 16/17 age attained. Cameron Jerome and Nathan Blake a year later, when recruited from Sheffield Wednesday and Chelsea academies respectively.

Chris Gunter and Adam Matthews were making an impression by their late teens too.

Pointless retaining players on hope alone - a waste of financial resources we don't have. False economy.

Cardiff need to start making some serious decisions and not be afraid to wheld the axe.

Let’s hope we make better decisions with young players than we have in the past!
Off the top of my head the following players were all rejected!
Lockyer, Luton and Wales,
Cabango, Swansea and Wales,
Andrew Hughes,Preston
Burns,Ipswich and Wales
All Cardiff Boys!
Ajayi, WBA and the best of the lot Jarrod Bowen West Han and England!