I was just sent this:

Annis just thought I'd share this with you. 50% of the sides here are now Premier League. For me it shows the progress (it lack of progress) we have received under Vincent Tan

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This is what I have been saying for a few seasons now.

Of course there are clubs that have not done so good such as Derby but overall most have done a lot better than us.

This is a Benchmark we should judge on and being blunt here it is very poor from us.

You can add
Villa fulham brentford bournmouth wolves to rhe list

12 teams currently in championship are ex premier league clubs 13 counting us.. have said before championship is getting harder to move out of simply because have had so many premier league clubs failing to go straight back up after relegation.... but that is now changing simply because most clubs are not spending large amounts of money to stay up but using the money to keep their squad together Norwich
classic example of this... last season was 1st where two relegated clubs were promoted this season looks like being same..... sometimes need to look behind why things are happening and not look at a tables

12 teams currently in championship are ex premier league clubs 13 counting us.. have said before championship is getting harder to move out of simply because have had so many premier league clubs failing to go straight back up after relegation.... but that is now changing simply because most clubs are not spending large amounts of money to stay up but using the money to keep their squad together Norwich
classic example of this... last season was 1st where two relegated clubs were promoted this season looks like being same..... sometimes need to look behind why things are happening and not look at a tables

Are they in as much debt as us and have three transfers embargo’s, squad virtually nothing and a Regime who don’t give a f**k about us???

12 teams currently in championship are ex premier league clubs 13 counting us.. have said before championship is getting harder to move out of simply because have had so many premier league clubs failing to go straight back up after relegation.... but that is now changing simply because most clubs are not spending large amounts of money to stay up but using the money to keep their squad together Norwich
classic example of this... last season was 1st where two relegated clubs were promoted this season looks like being same..... sometimes need to look behind why things are happening and not look at a tables

Are they in as much debt as us and have three transfers embargo’s, squad virtually nothing and a Regime who don’t give a f**k about us???

Debt is relevant and how you manage it... several
clubs recently had embargos... as for them giving sfa about club no idea I as dont have paranoid hatred of them so let such things pass me by have more important things in life to worry about ........ as for squad it is actually a good squad but it's the manager I feel that is the problem ...

12 teams currently in championship are ex premier league clubs 13 counting us.. have said before championship is getting harder to move out of simply because have had so many premier league clubs failing to go straight back up after relegation.... but that is now changing simply because most clubs are not spending large amounts of money to stay up but using the money to keep their squad together Norwich
classic example of this... last season was 1st where two relegated clubs were promoted this season looks like being same..... sometimes need to look behind why things are happening and not look at a tables

Are they in as much debt as us and have three transfers embargo’s, squad virtually nothing and a Regime who don’t give a f**k about us???

Debt is relevant and how you manage it... several
clubs recently had embargos... as for them giving sfa about club no idea I as dont have paranoid hatred of them so let such things pass me by have more important things in life to worry about ........ as for squad it is actually a good squad but it's the manager I feel that is the problem ...

I forgot your one of the ones who said it’s all Tans debt so it does not matter lol

But disappeared when it came out over £50mill is owed to others at high interest, tut tut Allan.

And you believe a CEO deserves £600,000 a year just to attend 20 home games a season lol

Yep that is sad to see.

Unfortunately we had the best chance in our current history to establish ourselves in the premier league. Unfortunately the man trusted with £70 million to spend on players (fortune back then) bought players like Cornelius, Brayford, kim-bo, odemiwingie, Velikonja (I could go on) and ruined that chance putting together a one dimensional squad with no plan b.

When it is replied I always defend Tan and Malky is a god I will say first.

Tan sanctioned those signings so is to blame for trusting the wrong man, credit to Malky for getting us into the premier league but his points per money spent was very poor. Warnock was far better.

The only other time we would have had a better chance is when we first got into the championship from league one. We were flying then and had we got into the premier then under Sam, with that squad and the networks that Sam had we would have thrived in the premier league and our history would be so different. M

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

Great Post mate !!!

Great Post mate !!!

Thanks

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

Only DJ knew a striker.

Only DJ knew a striker.

Oh didn’t he just.

Chopra 500k
Bothroyd 300k
McCormack 300k

Not just strikers what about

Scimeca 250k
Whitts 300k
Johnson 250k
Loovens 300k
Burke free
McPhail free
McNaughton free

Imagine he had the money Malky had.

We've for sure bounced the opposite way. But we did need to reset as a club after all the big money.

I don't feel Hudson is the right person. But staying up is key and sorting sala situation out.

Have to see what happens from here. I see either tan making an effort or selling. No in between.

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

So strange how it works ain’t it?

If only we could combine parts of managers / owners to make the perfect individual.

DJ’s attacking nouse and eye for a player together with Malky’s ability to make a team solid plus Warnock’s man management.

Tan’s money with Sam’s contacts and football knowledge.

If only.

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

So strange how it works ain’t it?

If only we could combine parts of managers / owners to make the perfect individual.

DJ’s attacking nouse and eye for a player together with Malky’s ability to make a team solid plus Warnock’s man management.

Tan’s money with Sam’s contacts and football knowledge.

If only.

I bet you were a fan of the "Bionic Man". Guess you watch all the episodes.

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

So strange how it works ain’t it?

If only we could combine parts of managers / owners to make the perfect individual.

DJ’s attacking nouse and eye for a player together with Malky’s ability to make a team solid plus Warnock’s man management.

Tan’s money with Sam’s contacts and football knowledge.

If only.

I bet you were a fan of the "Bionic Man". Guess you watch all the episodes.

Nope. What’s that?

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

So strange how it works ain’t it?

If only we could combine parts of managers / owners to make the perfect individual.

DJ’s attacking nouse and eye for a player together with Malky’s ability to make a team solid plus Warnock’s man management.

Tan’s money with Sam’s contacts and football knowledge.

If only.

I bet you were a fan of the "Bionic Man". Guess you watch all the episodes.

Nope. What’s that?

Six Million Dollar Man...we can build him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Six_M ... Dollar_Man

I’ll bat back another point that’s bound to be made about the bad signings were tan signings and good ones Malky signings. Was he a yes man then? If he allowed Tan to sign players for him he must have been.

I struggle to believe Tan suggested and then forced Malky to sign/take on players.

If this is all true then the only evidence I would accept is the Velijonka transfer who I believe came from a parent club of Tans. Even so I would imagine Tan was persuaded to transfer Velijonka by the parent club who told him that he was ready to make the step up etc etc. For he its just too difficult to believe.

Then Malky was really bad at buying strikers.

He was not brilliant.

What did Miller do when he was with us and then we have Acorn.

So strange how it works ain’t it?

If only we could combine parts of managers / owners to make the perfect individual.

DJ’s attacking nouse and eye for a player together with Malky’s ability to make a team solid plus Warnock’s man management.

Tan’s money with Sam’s contacts and football knowledge.

If only.

I bet you were a fan of the "Bionic Man". Guess you watch all the episodes.

Nope. What’s that?

Six Million Dollar Man...we can build him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Six_M ... Dollar_Man

Oh yeah heard of that.

It would be cool. Haaland is pretty much that.

What ever Tans Lovers (very few left) / Malky haters say:


The Facts:

All in just over 2 years:

Malky Mackay Play -offs / League Cup Final, lost to Liverpool on penalties / Won The Championship / Promoted to the Premier League / Brought at least £150mill in to the club over 2 years and never in bottom 3 of the Premier League







BBC:


Malky Mackay: The man behind Cardiff City's promotion


By Dewi Hughes


BBC Wales Sport


Last updated on18 April 201318 April 2013.

Cardiff City manager Malky Mackay:

When Malky Mackay held his first training session in charge of Cardiff City, he barely had enough players for a game of five-a-side.

Such was the mass exodus that followed Dave Jones' sacking in the summer of 2011, the new manager was greeted by a threadbare squad still smarting from a second successive Championship play-off defeat.

Less than two years on, Mackay has transformed the squad and delivered promotion to the Premier League. Another two points from their remaining three games will see them promoted as champions.

The team he has built embodies all the attributes that made the 41-year-old Scotsman a respected player and now marks him out as one of the most promising young British managers in the game.

"He's been immense," said striker Craig Bellamy, who returned to his hometown club in the summer of 2012. "He's really grasped what this club is about because we are a different breed down here.

"The fans have taken to him, the club's taken to him. He's really pushed us forward with his professionalism.

Malky Mackay profile
Born: 19 February 1972 in Bellshill, Scotland
Playing career: Queen's Park, Celtic, Norwich City, West Ham United, Watford
International honours: Five caps for Scotland
Managerial career: Watford (2009-2011), Cardiff City (2011- )



Cardiff record: 49 wins, 29 draws, 24 defeats:

Did you know?: Mackay made his Scotland debut aged 32, the oldest Scottish debutant for 37 years
"Financially this club is going to grow, there's no doubt about it. And with him at the helm it's just going to allow us to do it in the right manner."

Cardiff were tipped as relegation candidates in Mackay's first season. Instead he led them to the play-offs, where their limitations were highlighted in a comprehensive defeat by West Ham United, who went on to win the final.

Before that, Cardiff pushed Liverpool all the way in the Carling Cup final before eventually losing on penalties.

Inheriting a Cardiff squad scarred by play-off failure and in need of rebuilding represented a tough enough prospect for an experienced manager, but Mackay arrived in south Wales with a mere two years' experience behind him.

Add to the mix the pressure that accompanies having a billionaire owner impatient for Premier League riches, and this was the ultimate test of Mackay's credentials.

But the former centre-back, whose office walls are adorned by inspirational biographies and leadership manuals, emits an unwavering belief in his methods and principles. And the key to his success has been to install those same traits in his players.

"The honesty of the boys is second to none," said captain Mark Hudson, who was brought to the club by Mackay's predecessor.

"We put everything into every game and into training and we've taken on board what the manager has demanded of us."


Mackay's revolution was made easier by the willingness of chairman Vincent Tan to bankroll the process.

But the manager has not been given a free reign to spend wildly. Of the 10 players Cardiff signed on permanent deals in Mackay's first summer, seven were free transfers. Fees were paid only for defender Ben Turner and strikers Kenny Miller and Joe Mason - for a total of less than £2m.

The recruitment process went up a notch the following summer with a further nine signings. That is when Mackay found the missing ingredients and Tan demonstrated his commitment with a significant outlay.

Along with the class and potential of the likes of Nicky Maynard (out injured since September), Jordon Mutch and Craig Noone, Mackay brought in invaluable experience. Matthew Connolly,Heidar Helguson and Tommy Smith added promotion know-how and the type of work-rate and selfless attitude the manager values so highly.

The final jigsaw was Bellamy, a man on a mission to inspire his hometown club to the Premier League.

But it still needed a strong character to mould this collection of strangers into a team in such a short space of time, and that has been Mackay's greatest triumph.



Mackay's Cardiff revolution:

Players signed in 2011

Craig Conwy - free
Don Cowie - free
Rob Earnshaw - free
Rudy Gestede - free
Aron Gunnarsson - free
Joe Mason - undisclosed fee
Kenny Miller - undisclosed fee
Andrew Taylor - free
Ben Turner - undisclosed fee

Players signed in 2012

Craig Bellamy - free
Matthew Connolly - undisclosed fee
Heidar Helguson - free
Kim Bo-Kyung - undisclosed fee
Filip Kiss - undisclosed fee
Joe Lewis - free
Nicky Maynard - free
Jordon Mutch - undisclosed fee
Tommy Smith - free
Etien Velikonja - undisclosed fee


"The team spirit is superb. You've got a hard-working group of boys who will do anything for each other and do anything to get a result by working so hard," said Bellamy.

"I see it every day, and it makes it so special being with this group of players. It's a positive and honest group of players, and the manager has installed that in us. He's just been a joy to be around."

Tan's initial investment in 2010 saved the club from financial ruin and the Malaysian businessman puts his subsequent expenditure on players at £13m.

But for many, the investment has come at too high a price.

A simmering undercurrent of hostility towards Tan remains after his decision to change the club's colour from blue to red - all in the name of "maximising marketability" to make Cardiff "as big as Man U and Liverpool" in Asia. Some lifelong fans, or "customers" as Tan referred to them, have felt alienated.

Tan disregarded the objectors as "a bunch of mostly young kids". But it was telling that as he entered the field after Cardiff's draw with Charlton that clinched promotion Tan was greeted jeers as well as cheers, and chants of "Bluebirds, Bluebirds", followed by "We're Cardiff City, we'll always be blue".

Before changing the club's branding, Tan had already demonstrated his ruthlessness by sacking Jones despite the manager's creditable record and vast experience.

It seems inconceivable to suggest Mackay will not be entrusted with the promise of £25m to assemble a squad capable of competing in the Premier League, but changing a manager is a small step compared to ditching more than 100 years of tradition. How much patience will Tan demonstrate if Cardiff struggle during their first months in the top flight?

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Tan lovers/Malky haters??

Ffs Annis quit with your divisive posts.

Your list just reinforces what this Tan lover / Malky hater (not true) wrote about Malky being useless buying strikers with the exception of Helguson.

Put his premier league transfers on there if you want the full facts.

I will always take what Bellamy says with a pinch of salt. He’s the only player who plays like he does who is hated by Newcastle fans. Says it all.

Tan lovers/Malky haters??

Ffs Annis quit with your divisive posts.

Your list just reinforces what this Tan lover / Malky hater (not true) wrote about Malky being useless buying strikers with the exception of Helguson.

Put his premier league transfers on there if you want the full facts.

I will always take what Bellamy says with a pinch of salt. He’s the only player who plays like he does who is hated by Newcastle fans. Says it all.

So Neil where are the millions some people claim Malky spent to get us to the Premier?

Tan lovers/Malky haters??

Ffs Annis quit with your divisive posts.

Your list just reinforces what this Tan lover / Malky hater (not true) wrote about Malky being useless buying strikers with the exception of Helguson.

Put his premier league transfers on there if you want the full facts.

I will always take what Bellamy says with a pinch of salt. He’s the only player who plays like he does who is hated by Newcastle fans. Says it all.

So Neil where are the millions some people claim Malky spent to get us to the Premier?

There’s quite a few millions on that list. I’ll stick to players we got nothing back for.

Miller 900k and 25k a week
Maynard 2.5 million
Kim Bo 2 million
Kiss 750k (barely played)
Velikonja 2 million

Quite a bit of wastage. Compared to premier league season though a drop in the ocean.

Fifth biggest premier league spenders the summer we went up. On what?

The other two promoted teams who finished below us spent far less and comfortably stayed up.

You will find that DJ spent near enough the same, Chopra cost £4.5m along.

Velikjona £2m that is scary.

You will find that DJ spent near enough the same, Chopra cost £4.5m along.

Velikjona £2m that is scary.

Chopra was a proven goal scorer he first signed for 500k.

The money for his transfer back was just money Sunderland still owed us.

He was worth that £4.5 million if we signed that Chopra.

Dave Jones is net well up on transfers.

Whitts alone has done that at 300k.