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Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:34 pm

Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:07 pm

Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

I thought that he’d said that money had been put aside for this.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:18 pm

Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:20 pm

Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

Also if the contract was valid and is in play , it opens up the clauses that are separate from player registration

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:39 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 3:40 pm

bluebirdoct1962 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

I thought that he’d said that money had been put aside for this.



Correct.

I said at the time we never put it aside, I was short down and the usual brigade who have disappeared lately said yes they have their in the accounts etc lol

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:20 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

Neil Warnock's part in all of this should be questioned...

The inflated purchase fee for starters, as well as his links to McKay and the employment of the two parks players

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:39 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

All arrangement were made by nantes selling agent he was at nantes traing ground , the flight was illegal

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:50 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

All arrangement were made by nantes selling agent he was at nantes traing ground , the flight was illegal



Actually I agree of course the flight was illegal.
Show me where Nantes arranged it please ?

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:31 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

All arrangement were made by nantes selling agent he was at nantes traing ground , the flight was illegal



Actually I agree of course the flight was illegal.
Show me where Nantes arranged it please ?

There selling agent arranged it so yes nantes are involved in that as explained by Paul on here lots of times.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:27 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

All arrangement were made by nantes selling agent he was at nantes traing ground , the flight was illegal



Actually I agree of course the flight was illegal.
Show me where Nantes arranged it please ?


The agent who arranged it was acting on Nantes instructions and being paid by them.

That is where this part of the dispute is going.

Now I don’t know whether this will be successful but it’s the first part of the arguments that will come before a variety of courts/tribunals in the coming months/years.

As I have said time and time again, this will not be resolved any time soon.

However, if we don’t win the outstanding decision due Jan/Feb the embargo may mean that Tan has to consider paying that initial instalment and hope we get it back during the ongoing litigation.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 10:37 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

All arrangement were made by nantes selling agent he was at nantes traing ground , the flight was illegal



Actually I agree of course the flight was illegal.
Show me where Nantes arranged it please ?


The agent who arranged it was acting on Nantes instructions and being paid by them.

That is where this part of the dispute is going.

Now I don’t know whether this will be successful but it’s the first part of the arguments that will come before a variety of courts/tribunals in the coming months/years.

As I have said time and time again, this will not be resolved any time soon.

However, if we don’t win the outstanding decision due Jan/Feb the embargo may mean that Tan has to consider paying that initial instalment and hope we get it back during the ongoing litigation.

Agree, there was a good reason of the French law by someone on here a while ago nantes can be sued .

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:00 pm

Regardless of the legalities and the horrific human costs of things. We are unwittingly the innocent parties and seemingly guilty only of an administrative oversight I.e failure to insure him as callous as that sounds.

We signed a player in good faith. Offered him transport back which was declined. The organising agent then stuck him on a wholly dangerous and ill equipped plane with a wholly dangerous and ill equipped pilot.
We then are in the shit for 15 million.

Regardless of what you think of tan. I think most would seek to minimise financial liability.

Sorry if that annoys people. I don’t mean to. But our club didn’t ask for any of this. All we did was sign a player. This should have been dealt with a long time ago and perhaps we should have been in talks with Nantes to soften the blow or gone after the broker immediately.

Why don’t we have a policy that automatically covers a player as soon as he signs? A car dealer can have a policy that covers them on any car they drive without letting the insurer know. They have similar policies in the states for example.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:09 am

welshrarebit wrote:Regardless of the legalities and the horrific human costs of things. We are unwittingly the innocent parties and seemingly guilty only of an administrative oversight I.e failure to insure him as callous as that sounds.

We signed a player in good faith. Offered him transport back which was declined. The organising agent then stuck him on a wholly dangerous and ill equipped plane with a wholly dangerous and ill equipped pilot.
We then are in the shit for 15 million.

Regardless of what you think of tan. I think most would seek to minimise financial liability.

Sorry if that annoys people. I don’t mean to. But our club didn’t ask for any of this. All we did was sign a player. This should have been dealt with a long time ago and perhaps we should have been in talks with Nantes to soften the blow or gone after the broker immediately.

Why don’t we have a policy that automatically covers a player as soon as he signs? A car dealer can have a policy that covers them on any car they drive without letting the insurer know. They have similar policies in the states for example.

I agree with where you're coming from completely and think most would, I think it's the way it's been handled that's pissed people off. Very good point on the insurance, I've got my own business and can log into Midas and add or remove vehicles myself. Plus automatically insured up to x amount on any vehicle fully comp.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:19 am

I can’t tax or drive away with a new car without insurance. That’s probably why they have the 5 days free service. It’s bizarre that we have more provisions In place for a car than a human being.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:39 am

What disgusts me most is that Dalman has said several times that money has been put aside. But it hasn’t. What does this tell you and how are we to operate in this way? Then the regime says the fans need to get behind the club. Well how can we without mutual trust? I will ALWAYS support the team on the field of play but it breaks my heart having supported the City for 55 years to see us in this terrible mess

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:38 pm

Sven wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

Neil Warnock's part in all of this should be questioned...

The inflated purchase fee for starters, as well as his links to McKay and the employment of the two parks players


If have been saying this for ages but no one ever doubts The Messiah.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:16 pm

JulesK wrote:
Sven wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Ninian27 wrote:Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player and the contract was valid all along, that lets Nantes out as they could argue that the undischarged bankrupt agent, who we would never get a penny from anyway, was no longer acting for them.

The proposed litigation against the Insurance brokers smacks of desperation so it seems to me only one outcome is likely, Tan having to pay up, how can Dalman say we haven’t got the money?

It actually opens nantes up to be sued


Sued for what Wez?

When Sala flew back to Uk, Sala was officially our player.

The agents were Warnocks mates and had two players playing for us at that time.

Neil Warnock's part in all of this should be questioned...

The inflated purchase fee for starters, as well as his links to McKay and the employment of the two parks players


If have been saying this for ages but no one ever doubts The Messiah.


As far as I can remember it was questioned at the time & has been on numerous occasions by numerous people.

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:10 pm

Got any of the answers to share?

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:34 pm

JulesK wrote:Got any of the answers to share?

Jules, a very quick look came upwith these from around the time of Emiliano Sala's funeral...

I also recall you bringing up the topic in the past but it is one that seems to have escaped the scrutiny it may well deserve

For me, there is certainly no coincidence (the banned) McKay, Snr. was involved and two very unrated family members were in our Academy at the time too
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Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:04 am

Cheers for that Chris missed those.
Personally I still think he is up to his neck in this but will he get thrown under the bus or be too clever for the McKays?

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:45 am

JulesK wrote:Cheers for that Chris missed those.
Personally I still think he is up to his neck in this but will he get thrown under the bus or be too clever for the McKays?

Not sure, Jules, but for me the 'tie-in' between the two parties over many years is clear

I recall someone (maybe Forever Blue?) questioning the 'valuation' at the time of the signing, as Sala was apparently available for a lot less not too long before we wentbin for him

Re: Now that CAS have declared Sala was our player

Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:00 am

Well we got form there, just look at the Acorn fiasco !!!