O/T - As the truth seeps out...where do we hide?

I invite you to watch a clip from a parliamentary debate held yesterday evening. Kindly shared by Dr. John Campell, motioned by Andrew Bridgen MP, for North West Leicestershire.

Quite frankly it is shocking. Whilst I suspected things were going to unravel, I did not understand the full collusion between Government, medical bodies and journals, and pharmaceutical companies!

The data presented proves that your health is at serious risk. If you feel it is easier not to spend 20 minutes to protect your health....please turn off now.

I will pass comment on this in due course, but in the interim, I invite you to protect yourselves. Link below.

https://youtu.be/-MSKzoI72eU

Andrew Brigden is my local MP (conservative) and he has a reputation of going against this Government policies.

I don't vote for any of the main parties and would love to see us return something like 200 Independents. I personally believe that is the only way we are going to get a reset which is desperately needed but that is another debate. Brigden is going to lose his seat, a big majority, due to the financial crisis we are going through. The only way I believe he is going to keep his seat is to leave the Conservative party and become an Independent.

Back to the original debate. If you want a leader that will expose the Truth is is the guy to elect. Thing is everyone up here things I am well off the mark about him.

Ian, I totally agree that when it comes to party politics. We need a massive reset. Our country has been stuck in this damaging two party system for way too long. It stifles debate, it stifles progress and it stifles new ideas, some out of the box, but what is needed now.

When it comes to the continued use of these experimental vaccines, why have they not been suspended immediately? The data is staring the Government in the face!

As Bridgen states, vaccines in the past have been suspended for far less adverse reaction rates. When you have a leader of Cardiology Research Department covering up evidence and forcing his employees to sign NDA's you have to wonder what is going on!

I’m not sure the answer is more political parties have influence. Look at the mess Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are in due to PR.

We have the technology so why do we even need the Houses of Parliament. Let us employ experts to run the country like a PLC.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I’m not sure the answer is more political parties have influence. Look at the mess Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are in due to PR.

We have the technology so why do we even need the Houses of Parliament. Let us employ experts to run the country like a PLC.

Like having 200 Independents.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

I think some people who were against vaccines..........

(Not aimed at people here but the Undertaker bloke and the nutjobs who constantly made crazy incorrect videos)

It's too late for arguing about stuff like this we all made out choices it's time to move on, Bridgen is an attention seeker, he will jump on an argument like Brexit for a bit of attention.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

I think some people who were against vaccines..........

(Not aimed at people here but the Undertaker bloke and the nutjobs who constantly made crazy incorrect videos)

It's too late for arguing about stuff like this we all made out choices it's time to move on, Bridgen is an attention seeker, he will jump on an argument like Brexit for a bit of attention.

Move on? There are two elements here.

1) One side was threatened with job losses; some lost their jobs, were ostracized by friends, family, the media, and society, were labeled a threat to the rest of society, people including old women got beat up for protesting and for simply going out and taking a walk, in some countries even had their bank accounts and assets seized, were prevented from taking life-saving treatments, and weren't allowed to go to funerals or visit ill family members.

This time last year, I specifically remember Andrew Neil stating that those who chose not to get vaccinate should be punished:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -NEIL.html

It wasn't just him, though; it was the vast majority of the media.

2) Governments, media, and large corporations colluded in order to force people to take a potentially lethal vaccine based on lies.

This can never be allowed to happen again. There has to be an investigation into what happened, and those found to be responsible need to be in prison.

I personally won't just "move one". We haven't even received an acknowledgment or an apology.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

Lockdowns don't cause cancer. Lockdowns don't cause miscarriages. Lockdowns don't cause heart attacks.

It could be that it's not the vaccines causing these deaths. However, it must be investigated.

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.

The average age of covid death was higher than your life expectancy in the UK. Not only did they cause an influx in domestic abuse and mental health issues, they also wrecked the economy.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

Lockdowns don't cause cancer. Lockdowns don't cause miscarriages. Lockdowns don't cause heart attacks.

It could be that it's not the vaccines causing these deaths. However, it must be investigated.

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.

The average age of covid death was higher than your life expectancy in the UK. Not only did they cause an influx in domestic abuse and mental health issues, they also wrecked the economy.

Ignoring covid itself again?

It's almost certainly covid that has changed thing's a manufactured/adapted virus new to humans.

Most people have caught covid.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

I think some people who were against vaccines..........

(Not aimed at people here but the Undertaker bloke and the nutjobs who constantly made crazy incorrect videos)

It's too late for arguing about stuff like this we all made out choices it's time to move on, Bridgen is an attention seeker, he will jump on an argument like Brexit for a bit of attention.

Move on? There are two elements here.

1) One side was threatened with job losses; some lost their jobs, were ostracized by friends, family, the media, and society, were labeled a threat to the rest of society, people including old women got beat up for protesting and for simply going out and taking a walk, in some countries even had their bank accounts and assets seized, were prevented from taking life-saving treatments, and weren't allowed to go to funerals or visit ill family members.

This time last year, I specifically remember Andrew Neil stating that those who chose not to get vaccinate should be punished:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -NEIL.html

It wasn't just him, though; it was the vast majority of the media.

2) Governments, media, and large corporations colluded in order to force people to take a potentially lethal vaccine based on lies.

This can never be allowed to happen again. There has to be an investigation into what happened, and those found to be responsible need to be in prison.

I personally won't just "move one". We haven't even received an acknowledgment or an apology.

Most people didn't care and still don't, make your choice and live with it, people argue about all sorts of stuff if they take it too far and ostracised you ignore them they are not worth it.

No one is going to apologise to you for having a different opinion, get over it and get on with your life, life's too short to dwell on this type of stuff.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

Lockdowns don't cause cancer. Lockdowns don't cause miscarriages. Lockdowns don't cause heart attacks.

It could be that it's not the vaccines causing these deaths. However, it must be investigated.

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.

The average age of covid death was higher than your life expectancy in the UK. Not only did they cause an influx in domestic abuse and mental health issues, they also wrecked the economy.

Ignoring covid itself again?

It's almost certainly covid that has changed thing's a manufactured/adapted virus new to humans.

Most people have caught covid.

An investigation would figure that out, wouldn't it? And the fact they are not investigating it speaks volumes.

They lied about it being effective and stopping transmission, but you think they can be trusted on safety.

These are companies, by the way, who have been fined into the billions for previously lying about the safety of their drugs, and also wanted to keep the data of their research confidential for seven years while simultaneously asking for complete immunity for their safe drug.

If I had a drug that was as safe and effective as they claimed, I'd let the world see my research data.

I won't add more to this conversation. It's insanity to me that people trust the Government and these large pharma companies.

The reason these so called experimental vaccines havent been suspended is simple? The governments of the world
are corrupt they're all taking backhanders for continuing the use of them? Why else would they continue to kill their own people?? But at least they havent killed me after 4 vaccines? I Must be one of the lucky ones...

Don't tempt fate. While what you're stating airs sarcasm, we're now experiencing an alarming excess death rate (noncovid related).

We even have a new cause of death, "spontaneous adult death syndrome," and children regularly have heart attacks. None of this is normal.

While not everybody will die or have an adverse reaction, many have, and many will continue to do so.

The fact that there are no investigations from leading governments tells you all you need to know. They don't care, and they're getting wealthy from it.

One thing that really struck me during the 'pandemic' was that one side was genuinely concerned for the welfare and well-being of the other side, while the other, in some cases, wished death on those who chose not to follow the masses.

I think some people against vaccines were hoping the vaccinated would die or become ill to prove that they were right, not the other way around.

Don't you think that Covid and the lockdowns are the reason for the changes in death rates?

It's like covid never existed and is completely written off and any changes to people's health since are because some people had a vaccine?

Lockdowns don't cause cancer. Lockdowns don't cause miscarriages. Lockdowns don't cause heart attacks.

It could be that it's not the vaccines causing these deaths. However, it must be investigated.

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.

The average age of covid death was higher than your life expectancy in the UK. Not only did they cause an influx in domestic abuse and mental health issues, they also wrecked the economy.

Ignoring covid itself again?

It's almost certainly covid that has changed thing's a manufactured/adapted virus new to humans.

Most people have caught covid.

An investigation would figure that out, wouldn't it? And the fact they are not investigating it speaks volumes.

They lied about it being effective and stopping transmission, but you think they can be trusted on safety.

These are companies, by the way, who have been fined into the billions for previously lying about the safety of their drugs, and also wanted to keep the data of their research confidential for seven years while simultaneously asking for complete immunity for their safe drug.

If I had a drug that was as safe and effective as they claimed, I'd let the world see my research data.

I won't add more to this conversation. It's insanity to me that people trust the Government and these large pharma companies.

It's over now so I'm fed up of ot their are other problems to think about.

From memory, they did investigate heart issues and said that people with vaccines had a tiny chance of cardiomarditus, and people who caught covid also had a tiny chance, but 10 times more than people who had a vaccine, it was along those lines anyway.

if you think about it a vaccine was a tiny bit of covid, the spike protein so it's a manufactured or adapted virus that humans have never had before in history, it's a fair assumption to assume it may cause some lasting damage to some people until long term immunity has been built up. Add to that the lockdowns weakened everyone in the World's immunity as we stopped catching illnesses, we should have expected long-term unexplained deaths and issues due to the covid pandemic, not just some people getting vaccinated.

Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

Got to love a conspiracy theory, only ones f*cking us over are the Tory rats and the rich elite. If you want a jab have one, if you dont then dont simple as that really.

You see people rich fuckers at that going on about how terrible the Covid jab is yet they fill their faces with botox and lip treatments, we eat meat that f**k knows what been fed into the animals we eat.

Live your life like its going to end soon and fecking enjoy it.

Got to love a conspiracy theory, only ones f*cking us over are the Tory rats and the rich elite. If you want a jab have one, if you dont then dont simple as that really.

You see people rich fuckers at that going on about how terrible the Covid jab is yet they fill their faces with botox and lip treatments, we eat meat that f**k knows what been fed into the animals we eat.

Live your life like its going to end soon and fecking enjoy it.

Great point. It’s like they forces people to have a jab.

Clown in work won’t have the jab yet is a smoker. Work that one out.

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.
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Please don't try bringing Sweden into it again.ALL the experts have already looked into comparing rates in the UK with rates in comparable countries and they pretty much concluded that Sweden is not a comparable country due to the much higher population concentration in the UK. Most countries where the population are much more spread out had lower covid rates than the UK.

We've probably got more idiots than other countries as well which is proved by the number of people who refused to wear masks at the height of Covid. What were they saying....no worse than a cold!

Even if it did turn out that the lockdowns had some measure of impact on these deaths, they weren't needed in the first place as was proven in countries like Sweden.
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Please don't try bringing Sweden into it again.ALL the experts have already looked into comparing rates in the UK with rates in comparable countries and they pretty much concluded that Sweden is not a comparable country due to the much higher population concentration in the UK. Most countries where the population are much more spread out had lower covid rates than the UK.

We've probably got more idiots than other countries as well which is proved by the number of people who refused to wear masks at the height of Covid. What were they saying....no worse than a cold!

Made my point for me.

Sweden is not comparable to anyone really aside from other Scandinavian countries.

Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

It's quite simple why "people" with free minds are pointing out the facts that are now coming light.......we care about innocent peoples' lives. This vaccine is stilling being portrayed that the benefits outweigh the the risk of harm, this is simply untrue. You obviously haven't got the time to look at, assimilate and digest the latest truth, and that is your perogative Sir.

This forum is for debate, if you don't like discussing, debating or having your truth questioned, this forum is not for you.

If you can spend 20 minutes of your precious time listening to FACTS (link provided in the OP)......not what you have been led to believe in the past, you may learn something.

That said, as always, some people believe what they want to believe.......and just totally disregard what is staring them in the face.

Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

It's quite simple why "people" with free minds are pointing out the facts that are now coming light.......we care about innocent peoples' lives. This vaccine is stilling being portrayed that the benefits outweigh the the risk of harm, this is simply untrue. You obviously haven't got the time to look at, assimilate and digest the latest truth, and that is your perogative Sir.

This forum is for debate, if you don't like discussing, debating or having your truth questioned, this forum is not for you.

If you can spend 20 minutes of your precious time listening to FACTS (link provided in the OP)......not what you have been led to believe in the past, you may learn something.

That said, as always, some people believe what they want to believe.......and just totally disregard what is staring them in the face.

Pre vaccine deaths were 1600 a day at worst, post vaccines nowhere near that.

How do benefits not outweigh the risk of harm.

My parents were fully vaccinated prior to getting covid. I am very thankful for that. They wouldn’t have survived.

Crooks and criminals.

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Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

It's quite simple why "people" with free minds are pointing out the facts that are now coming light.......we care about innocent peoples' lives. This vaccine is stilling being portrayed that the benefits outweigh the the risk of harm, this is simply untrue. You obviously haven't got the time to look at, assimilate and digest the latest truth, and that is your perogative Sir.

This forum is for debate, if you don't like discussing, debating or having your truth questioned, this forum is not for you.

If you can spend 20 minutes of your precious time listening to FACTS (link provided in the OP)......not what you have been led to believe in the past, you may learn something.

That said, as always, some people believe what they want to believe.......and just totally disregard what is staring them in the face.

Pre vaccine deaths were 1600 a day at worst, post vaccines nowhere near that.

How do benefits not outweigh the risk of harm.

My parents were fully vaccinated prior to getting covid. I am very thankful for that. They wouldn’t have survived.

I'm glad your parents survuved, I really am, but if you put it down to the vaccine I think you are deluded.

If your parents are under the age of 82.5 they probably would have survived anyway. Not my word........the official data!

I know you have a vested interest, you have admitted to pushing this experimental (non proven) drug into many arms. I did warn you at the time you could be doing more harm than good, but you persevered.

Let's see how the land lies at the end of this......the truth will always prevail.

Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

It's quite simple why "people" with free minds are pointing out the facts that are now coming light.......we care about innocent peoples' lives. This vaccine is stilling being portrayed that the benefits outweigh the the risk of harm, this is simply untrue. You obviously haven't got the time to look at, assimilate and digest the latest truth, and that is your perogative Sir.

This forum is for debate, if you don't like discussing, debating or having your truth questioned, this forum is not for you.

If you can spend 20 minutes of your precious time listening to FACTS (link provided in the OP)......not what you have been led to believe in the past, you may learn something.

That said, as always, some people believe what they want to believe.......and just totally disregard what is staring them in the face.

Pre vaccine deaths were 1600 a day at worst, post vaccines nowhere near that.

How do benefits not outweigh the risk of harm.

My parents were fully vaccinated prior to getting covid. I am very thankful for that. They wouldn’t have survived.

I'm glad your parents survuved, I really am, but if you put it down to the vaccine I think you are deluded.

If your parents are under the age of 82.5 they probably would have survived anyway. Not my word........the official data!

I know you have a vested interest, you have admitted to pushing this experimental (non proven) drug into many arms. I did warn you at the time you could be doing more harm than good, but you persevered.

Let's see how the land lies at the end of this......the truth will always prevail.

They both suffer from Lung related issues so yeah I doubt they would have survived Covid.

I have two doctors who I work for where I volunteer as a vaccinator and I think I’ll go by their guidance rather than listening to half wit conspiracy theories.

Its good that we have these little off football chats, shows that we all care one way or another and our human capacity for each is good.

Why are people like the OP still banging on about all this made up crap? Get over it but more importantly get over yourself, you made a choice which was yours to make just as I made mine but you're the one still harping on about it starting threads to get attention. If you're right then we will all die & there will just be a few of you left and I for one will wish you luck, oh hang on I won't be able to.

We're all going to die eventually one way or another & unless 90% of the UK population suddenly drops dead I won't be worrying about it & neither should you but at least you can say you were right which is what seems to be most important to you.

It's quite simple why "people" with free minds are pointing out the facts that are now coming light.......we care about innocent peoples' lives. This vaccine is stilling being portrayed that the benefits outweigh the the risk of harm, this is simply untrue. You obviously haven't got the time to look at, assimilate and digest the latest truth, and that is your perogative Sir.

This forum is for debate, if you don't like discussing, debating or having your truth questioned, this forum is not for you.

If you can spend 20 minutes of your precious time listening to FACTS (link provided in the OP)......not what you have been led to believe in the past, you may learn something.

That said, as always, some people believe what they want to believe.......and just totally disregard what is staring them in the face.

Pre vaccine deaths were 1600 a day at worst, post vaccines nowhere near that.

How do benefits not outweigh the risk of harm.

My parents were fully vaccinated prior to getting covid. I am very thankful for that. They wouldn’t have survived.

I'm glad your parents survuved, I really am, but if you put it down to the vaccine I think you are deluded.

If your parents are under the age of 82.5 they probably would have survived anyway. Not my word........the official data!

I know you have a vested interest, you have admitted to pushing this experimental (non proven) drug into many arms. I did warn you at the time you could be doing more harm than good, but you persevered.

Let's see how the land lies at the end of this......the truth will always prevail.

They both suffer from Lung related issues so yeah I doubt they would have survived Covid.

I have two doctors who I work for where I volunteer as a vaccinator and I think I’ll go by their guidance rather than listening to half wit conspiracy theories.

Majority of those that died were elderly does 82yrs old count as elderly because it appears by the op they would be ok if caught covid but guess doesn't believe
official stats just those from people he believes
in? Why is the truth their truth and not anyone else's? What bugs me is some so called expert posts something and because it goes opposite what government experts say so it must be true? As one says the truth is what you want to believe it is ....regardless of whether it is the truth or not.