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If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:33 pm

I know it’s an if but I hope that if Sam does take this club over we unite and give him a chance.

By his own admission there were mistakes made in his last run and he’s the type of guy who will be desperate to put that right. Nobody can deny what he did for us and any Cardiff fan older than 30 will have fond memories of the start of his tenure. He run out of money and was treated shabbily by others who didn’t have the best interests of the club at the forefront of their mind and cared more about their own wealth.

We were really on the verge of something special after the playoff final v QPR and if we had managed to get into the premier league at that time I think we would have really pushed on with a really good, young squad made up of players we could identify with. We can’t deny the club was rocking.

Tan has been good for the club and I won’t say differently. However, he has clearly lost interest. If Sam does buy us he should be afforded the respect he deserves for what he did and what he could do for us. Quite frankly it’s respect Tan has never been given by some but I am a cardiff fan first and foremost and anything that could improve my club will be given my maximum support.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:48 pm

I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:59 pm

piledriver64 wrote:I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.


Your right it will be just as devicive ! Said previously we need totally new regime doesnt matter if hes got £10b it wont erase his previous tenure and what happened at end and in between ... we live in hope that a decent new owner will come along at end season but wont hold breath.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:04 pm

I would give Sam the chance.

Unlike previous owners he has stayed in touch with Cardiff City be it in a Presidency role or keeping in touch with a few of us. When previously here he ran out of money but I'm told that will not be a problem anymore. The fact he took us from the Dungeon to the doorstep of the Premier is a good CV.

Yeah I think he will be a good bet and I hope everyone gives him the chance if he does come back.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:14 pm

I wouldn't care if its Sam, Tan, Ashley, etc.

I accept I am just a fan, a more passionate customer, and in being so I can bail whenever it doesn't suit me anymore, with little loss and good memories.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:27 am

When VT took over we were excited because he had money to spend. Well, if what I'm hearing is true, Sam is quite possibly more well off than Tan.

VT has lost interest whereas Sam, even to this day, considers Cardiff his club in the same way our supporters do

Sam counts probably but 95% of clubs in the UK. It appears that we are the only club that matter to him

Someone who has money. Someone who has bluebird blood in their veins - this is what supporter's have been wishing for years.

He will have my support 200%

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:23 am

Your having a laugh Sam coming back to Cardiff our club we should be looking into the future not the past i can’t see how this would be good for our club

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:36 am

I've got nothing against Sam and just want whoever is right for the club to own us and to care. But I kinda feel like football has moved on and things are never the same 2nd time around. Bit worried will be like dating an ex, or old player returning. Rarely works out

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:16 am

Would rather someone who has interest rather than one who has lost all interest
not a great deal of interest has been shown from tan since warnock left.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:11 am

piledriver64 wrote:I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.


Where are they though?

There are many positives to Sam (if he has the money others have alluded to) and obviously some negatives (what happened before). I wonder how divisive it would be?

He will be hands on for sure.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:13 am

Bassaleg Blue wrote:Your having a laugh Sam coming back to Cardiff our club we should be looking into the future not the past i can’t see how this would be good for our club


Allegedly he has significant funding.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:20 am

maccydee wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.


Where are they though?

There are many positives to Sam (if he has the money others have alluded to) and obviously some negatives (what happened before). I wonder how divisive it would be?

He will be hands on for sure.



Some negatives? He may have rejuvinated the club for a bit but it was at a cost and turned the club into a circus with stupid antics... there are lots of fans who wouldnt welcome him back why would they? Guess some want him back firstly to get rid tan and hark back at previous days ...... as they say should never go back in this case most definitely dont...

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:31 am

pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.


Where are they though?

There are many positives to Sam (if he has the money others have alluded to) and obviously some negatives (what happened before). I wonder how divisive it would be?

He will be hands on for sure.



Some negatives? He may have rejuvinated the club for a bit but it was at a cost and turned the club into a circus with stupid antics... there are lots of fans who wouldnt welcome him back why would they? Guess some want him back firstly to get rid tan and hark back at previous days ...... as they say should never go back in this case most definitely dont...


If he did take us back over he should get fair treatment.

What if it went really well?

I think he rejuvenated the club for a generation.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:21 am

maccydee wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
maccydee wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:I think that’s a forlorn hope !! Sam taking over would be just as divisive as Tan staying !!

If Tan is going I would much rather a brand new owner/owners to herald a whole new, positive, start for the club.

I don’t see how reverting to a previous owner can be welcomed as a forward step for the club.


Where are they though?

There are many positives to Sam (if he has the money others have alluded to) and obviously some negatives (what happened before). I wonder how divisive it would be?

He will be hands on for sure.



Some negatives? He may have rejuvinated the club for a bit but it was at a cost and turned the club into a circus with stupid antics... there are lots of fans who wouldnt welcome him back why would they? Guess some want him back firstly to get rid tan and hark back at previous days ...... as they say should never go back in this case most definitely dont...


If he did take us back over he should get fair treatment.

What if it went really well?

I think he rejuvenated the club for a generation.




Doesnt matter if it went swimmingly well wouldn't want him back..... just like people dont acknowledge the success we've had past 12yrs or so Some will never acknowledge sh because he left us up the creek without a paddle and for someone who reportedly loved club had funny way of showing it..... I draw comparisons with Wimbledon almost exact scenarios and wasnt exactly loved when left there.. anyway lets just hope it doesn't happen then wont have this kind discussion. :old:

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:33 am

The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:41 am

Not for me. Minutes from going bust and equally borrowed money to the club with massive interest rates.... And the funny thing was the money he borrowed to the club wasn't even his.
Equally purchased the club with a family members money.

Don't get me wrong his heart was there. But financially he was a mess and milked us.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:44 am

TheHangedMan wrote:The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:



It's not about 2nd chances its about going back and the likelihood of decisiveness caused by his return... but what must not forget he lied to the fans (Langston) he also lied to Wimbledon fans as I said the similarities between clubs is very close... to me it wasnt love of club it was the love for himself he craved the adulation.... which remarkably as parallels with tan? Both wanted fan adulation but went about it in different ways... I lived in Wimbledon at the time and believe me he wasn't loved as much as people make out.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 12:29 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:



It's not about 2nd chances its about going back and the likelihood of decisiveness caused by his return... but what must not forget he lied to the fans (Langston) he also lied to Wimbledon fans as I said the similarities between clubs is very close... to me it wasnt love of club it was the love for himself he craved the adulation.... which remarkably as parallels with tan? Both wanted fan adulation but went about it in different ways... I lived in Wimbledon at the time and believe me he wasn't loved as much as people make out.

We won't agree on this Allan and you are entitled to your opinion and fears. IMHO, assuming the money is there, I would not be adverse to Sam having another go.

Let's face it, at the moment the feel good factor around the club is either zero, or even worse slipping into the negative. :bluebird:

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:19 pm

TheHangedMan wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:



It's not about 2nd chances its about going back and the likelihood of decisiveness caused by his return... but what must not forget he lied to the fans (Langston) he also lied to Wimbledon fans as I said the similarities between clubs is very close... to me it wasnt love of club it was the love for himself he craved the adulation.... which remarkably as parallels with tan? Both wanted fan adulation but went about it in different ways... I lived in Wimbledon at the time and believe me he wasn't loved as much as people make out.

We won't agree on this Allan and you are entitled to your opinion and fears. IMHO, assuming the money is there, I would not be adverse to Sam having another go.

Let's face it, at the moment the feel good factor around the club is either zero, or even worse slipping into the negative. :bluebird:


A lot of the negativity is pushed by anti anything Tan brigade. I hate that. I would be very keen that the opposite doesn’t happen. If Sam takes over it’s a clean slate and he should be afforded respect for what he did at the start.

It’s not like it was all shit like it was under Kumar. Sam really pushed us on. If he can do that again and get us stabilised in the premier league he’s not gonna run out of money.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:19 pm

TheHangedMan wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
TheHangedMan wrote:The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:



It's not about 2nd chances its about going back and the likelihood of decisiveness caused by his return... but what must not forget he lied to the fans (Langston) he also lied to Wimbledon fans as I said the similarities between clubs is very close... to me it wasnt love of club it was the love for himself he craved the adulation.... which remarkably as parallels with tan? Both wanted fan adulation but went about it in different ways... I lived in Wimbledon at the time and believe me he wasn't loved as much as people make out.

We won't agree on this Allan and you are entitled to your opinion and fears. IMHO, assuming the money is there, I would not be adverse to Sam having another go.

Let's face it, at the moment the feel good factor around the club is either zero, or even worse slipping into the negative. :bluebird:



Occasionally agree but tbh I've always been of opinion that sh wanted to do same as he did to Wimbledon except he got blocked by council... I know cant happen now but do we really want another circus that will surround him bad enough with tan? Just feel we need a completely new set up with no baggage that sh would bring.... anyway agree about we need something to give club feel good factor but I'm sure nearly any new owner would bring that hopefully...

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:49 pm

I think the OP was around whether he would be welcomed back.

You only have to look at this thread to see that it would be divisive so it’s answered the question really !!

If there are other options we should take them in my view, but in the end money talks and I am more encouraged that Sam ( and not Langston !!) seems to have money now but he would never be my first choice after the depths he took us to.

I know we would never be where we are now even, without Sam coming in but we were weeks away from losing our club completely because the mistakes he made. I just don’t find going back to that regime that attractive because of that.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:54 pm

piledriver64 wrote:I think the OP was around whether he would be welcomed back.

You only have to look at this thread to see that it would be divisive so it’s answered the question really !!

If there are other options we should take them in my view, but in the end money talks and I am more encouraged that Sam ( and not Langston !!) seems to have money now but he would never be my first choice after the depths he took us to.

I know we would never be where we are now even, without Sam coming in but we were weeks away from losing our club completely because the mistakes he made. I just don’t find going back to that regime that attractive because of that.


It’s a risk I agree.

I really hope if it does happen we see the best of Sam.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:32 pm

Yes, please bring back the guy who took one club into extinction, and almost the same with us.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:04 pm

Where does Sam get his money from,he obviously does something right. :occasion5:
Whoever eventually takes us over will get the backing of the fans until (hopefully not) things go pear shaped.
All we can do is support the team :bluescarf:

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:24 pm

JasonFowler1991 wrote:Yes, please bring back the guy who took one club into extinction, and almost the same with us.



Did he? Actual evidence or paper talk?
Simple question where were we before Sam? If you mate have been going as long as me , you will
Know since the early 70’s City have gone nearly gone under on many occasions.
I for one would love Sam and see the ground bouncing again and the club showing passion and players fighting for the club on the pitch.
The only owner to bring our youngsters properly through and actually make it.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:44 pm

He lied to us fans and some will welcome him back to be lied to again, each to their own but nae from me.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 4:56 pm

Ninian27 wrote:
JasonFowler1991 wrote:Yes, please bring back the guy who took one club into extinction, and almost the same with us.



Did he? Actual evidence or paper talk?
Simple question where were we before Sam? If you mate have been going as long as me , you will
Know since the early 70’s City have gone nearly gone under on many occasions.
I for one would love Sam and see the ground bouncing again and the club showing passion and players fighting for the club on the pitch.
The only owner to bring our youngsters properly through and actually make it.



Evidence? Ask Wimbledon fans that question and no one can dispute club was facing winding up orders from tax man and he lied to fans that is factual what more evidence do you need? Or are you saying Wimbledon didnt lose ground .. or tax man was happy to right off what was owed because club had no money? Got to wonder at some people... :roll:

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:21 pm

TheHangedMan wrote:The opening post of this thread by Maccydee sums it up quite well for me.

Until Sam came along we were going only one way, down to the non league dungeons. Look at Wrexham, once there it's bloody hard to get out. Sam revitalised our club, brought us all together and, whilst it was a rollercoaster, there was never a dull moment. I loved those days.

I don't know the ins and outs of the financial melt down but it certainly was dark on black Friday when Kavanagh went and we were staring into a financial abyss.

Thank God that Tan came along and saved us, and furthermore pumped money in which helped Malky get us to the promised land.

With all that said, there is a major difference between the two guys. One has a love for our club and the other has a love for the Premier League and the trappings that go with it.

If I went through life without giving people 2nd chances I'd be a fool. :bluebird:


Another difference between the two guys is that one of them has spent his own money on the club and the other spent someone elses - unless Langston was actually Sam all the time of course!

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:24 pm

Paul Keevil wrote:When VT took over we were excited because he had money to spend. Well, if what I'm hearing is true, Sam is quite possibly more well off than Tan.

VT has lost interest whereas Sam, even to this day, considers Cardiff his club in the same way our supporters do

Sam counts probably but 95% of clubs in the UK. It appears that we are the only club that matter to him

Someone who has money. Someone who has bluebird blood in their veins - this is what supporter's have been wishing for years.

He will have my support 200%


Has Sam won the lottery by any chance?

Perhaps he put that £500k he demanded at the last minute before signing the club over on red at the casino over the road from the ground.

Re: If Sam came back hopefully he gets fair treatment

Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:52 pm

davids wrote:
Paul Keevil wrote:When VT took over we were excited because he had money to spend. Well, if what I'm hearing is true, Sam is quite possibly more well off than Tan.

VT has lost interest whereas Sam, even to this day, considers Cardiff his club in the same way our supporters do

Sam counts probably but 95% of clubs in the UK. It appears that we are the only club that matter to him

Someone who has money. Someone who has bluebird blood in their veins - this is what supporter's have been wishing for years.

He will have my support 200%


Has Sam won the lottery by any chance?

Perhaps he put that £500k he demanded at the last minute before signing the club over on red at the casino over the road from the ground.



Really dont understand the love in for a man who screwed a club to extent lost ground and brought us to bring of winding up? Yes rejuvinated our club same as Wimbledon but both times he left them ruined with his financial mismanagement? If you suppose to love something you dont ruin it like he did to both clubs....