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' IS IT TIME TO SAY GOODBYE? '

Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:34 am

Is it time for Bale, Ramsey and Joe Allan to hang up their boots for Wales after this World Cup?

They have all been great ambassadors for Wales, Hero's and i feel this is now actually hurting their great reputations / legacies and the last couple of games, I feel Wales are not playing with 11 men.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:43 am

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:46 am

Yes time to blood youth and tbh I think we need a new manager.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 am

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:55 am

wez1927 wrote:Yes time to blood youth and tbh I think we need a new manager.



Wez,

I agree on both accounts.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:56 am

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:41 am

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:51 am

Yes sadly bale and Ramsey both going to be sorely missed,they just haven’t been no where near the level we needed them to be,for wales to have at least been decent at this World Cup,it was a chance for the younger players to shine,but nobody has,it’s going to be a while I think before we make another tournament
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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:53 am

No, they have a role to play to help us through group games, even if they play smaller roles, Ramsey is just about to turn 32, and Bale has scored 4 or 5 goals in 2022, some were Pens I know, against Austria in March this year, those goals were world class.

If they want to keep going at club level, and keep themselves fit, I see no reason a squad place should not be there, I think they will both still offer Wales more goals and assists and help the young players being around the squad.

Both still have something to offer Wales! And for me a very sad day when no longer around for us in some capacity. :thumbup:

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:56 am

Forever Blue wrote:Is it time for Bale, Ramsey and Joe Allan to hang up their boots for Wales after this World Cup?

They have all been great ambassadors for Wales, Hero's and i feel this is now actually hurting their great reputations / legacies and the last couple of games, I feel Wales are not playing with 11 men.

I have to agree with you regarding not playing with 11 men, but we are in grave danger of forcing these players to hang up their international boots. Joe Allen has come off the back of an injury and it was his first game in 2 months. Something is clearly wrong with Ramsey but if can get fit again he can play a vital role in getting us to the next Euros which is a little over a year and a half away. He is only 31.

Stick with them but they must no longer be automatic choices.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:13 pm

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:23 pm

I believe it is the time yes.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:34 pm

Its defenitly time if they don' t want it
as some have said modrich and ronaldo still playing at the top at 37
bale 33 ramsey 31 mark harris would have put in a better shift than ramsey and morrell and possibly my mum and she' s 90

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:24 pm

Time to gut the whole senior setup and look beyond Welsh-only coaches

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:25 pm

Wow, some of those responses are so disrespectful and unappreciative of why we have been to three of the last four tournaments.

IMO it's about the player's willingness to want to play. Then it's up to the manager to select the best team, formation and tactics, this is where we failed as Page was still watching the rerun of 2016 highlights and not any of their recent form.

We are a tiny nation with a limited pool, if Rambo, Bale and Allen want to continue, then please do, they just need to be picked on merit because (IMO) yesterday Joe Morrell is better than Rambo as a sitter in a double pivot and Mark Harris would have contributed more than Bale.

If Allen and Rambo play nearly every week from now until March then we have no better, but in the fourth week in November they had barely played and it showed. Not sure when the MLS pre-season is but how would we feel if GB got through it and started playing full 90 mins and contributing?

Page got it massively wrong he should have told them to sit it out for an 70 mins then come on and do your stuff

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:26 pm

I don't think they are finished yet providing, and it is a BIG proviso, they are match fit.

When you play at international level, you are up gainst the best that the oppossing country can offer. It is unrealistic, however talented you are, to expect to walk into a game and perform, if you have not being doing it week in week out for your club team.

If you are in your early 20's you have more chance, but late 20's or early 30's you have no chance.

Wales cannot afford to start with 10 to 10.5 men, we do not have the strength in depth. As such a judgement call has to be made by the Manager. That call did not come in the last game which has probably resulted in our early exit.

Moving forward Page needs to stand up as a Manager, and make the tough calls. For me, if you are not playing week in week out for your club, I would look at a player who is. :bluebird:

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 1:28 pm

copy and pasted from another thread but

Largely thanks to the youth setup this is now largely a Premier League/top Championship squad (lower league players have been picked purely because of favouritism when there’s players in the same positions playing in higher divisions.

Anything less than qualification for both the Euros and World Cup is a genuine failure and this goes back probably to about 2016 and is why Coleman had to go when he failed in 2018.

And even then once we got to the tournament we should have been more than capable of competent instead of nicking a last minute penalty against the US and looking toothless to Iran.

This looking to the past and being thankful we’re at a World Cup, calling up past it, bottom division players just because we’ve been crap for 50 years is exactly why we’ve whimpered out today.

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:13 pm

I’d say no but we need a strong manager to drop them or substitute them off.
Where’s Steve Morison :laughing6:

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:58 pm

Depends on how fit they're and regularly they play at their clubs euros are only 18 months away if we qualify. Think Ramsey would be 33

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:42 pm

no, i genuinely think they have a big part to play, the issue is Page is setting us up way to defensive, 5 man back line. wing backs can't get forward enough without us being hit on the counter, which means our midfield is over-run, also means there is a lack of forward options to pass to. also pages game management is p*ss poor. against the USA rambo was done after 20 minutes, by the 60th he was just a passenger. we got to 1-1 and we were hunting for a second goal, and the USA brought on all their subs, Page just sat there. Ampadu went down injured, and yet no sub was made, wasn't until Ampadu couldnt continue did he make a sub. against Iran, we were getting over run, it was plain to see, and he brings on a defensive midfielder in Allen, rather than changing the formation up.

similar thing in the Euros, brought Kieffer Moore on in our last group game when he was a yellow card away from suspension, played very narrow, and deep.

i called it before the Iran game he would play a back 5 and it wouldn't work, and he will do the exact same against England, the only difference will be, we will see Allen instead of Rambo, and the whole thing is crazy, not match fit. yet trusted to start games in this heat, because of "Loyalty"

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:53 pm

llan bluebird wrote:Wow, some of those responses are so disrespectful and unappreciative of why we have been to three of the last four tournaments.

IMO it's about the player's willingness to want to play. Then it's up to the manager to select the best team, formation and tactics, this is where we failed as Page was still watching the rerun of 2016 highlights and not any of their recent form.

We are a tiny nation with a limited pool, if Rambo, Bale and Allen want to continue, then please do, they just need to be picked on merit because (IMO) yesterday Joe Morrell is better than Rambo as a sitter in a double pivot and Mark Harris would have contributed more than Bale.

If Allen and Rambo play nearly every week from now until March then we have no better, but in the fourth week in November they had barely played and it showed. Not sure when the MLS pre-season is but how would we feel if GB got through it and started playing full 90 mins and contributing?

Page got it massively wrong he should have told them to sit it out for an 70 mins then come on and do your stuff



Mls pre season is January league starts Feb until oct then until nov if involved in cup games.... so bale wont have any excuses not to be match for? That's if hes picked or not injured Rambo in lig 1 with NICE... so similar for him! this coming season is pivotal to their Wales futures probably

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:42 pm

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Sat Nov 26, 2022 11:39 pm

For those sure Ramsey is past it, he’s covered more ground and had the most sprints than any other player in the team in this tournament so far. He may not be the player he once was, but he’s sure as hell putting in a shift even if the media want to single him out for having an average game and paint it as very poor

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Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:41 am

Tuggi wrote:For those sure Ramsey is past it, he’s covered more ground and had the most sprints than any other player in the team in this tournament so far. He may not be the player he once was, but he’s sure as hell putting in a shift even if the media want to single him out for having an average game and paint it as very poor

Not sure whether you noticed, but football is a game of one team mate passing to another (normally in the same coloured shirt)!

Rambo in his prime would wipe the floor with any team on the planet........an unfit Ramsey, with little game time, is a totally different proposition. You must know that oppossing teams will exploit this chink? :bluebird:

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Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:13 am

Rambo is nowhere near match fit and played in a position he has never demonstrated he is any more than effective at.

He is an attacking midfielder, not a holder, so why take his good attributes away ?

Every time we try him there it fails as he goes wandering looking for space and runs behind.

He ran around a lot because he was continually chasing the game, he was always behind it. That is on Page, not Rambo

Allen was even forther behind than Rambo and it showed, it was a gamble, again on Page

Bale's class has got him through games up to now, but father time has caught up with him, he needs to improve his core fitness, and for that he needs to stay healthy and that is the million dollar question.

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Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:31 am

I think if they are fit they should play a part in future.
Currently we a carrying a least 2 players which any side at this level can not do.
Also the temp we are playing in require legs? Page if it not working grow a set and please use some of the younger players. Can they do any worst? Worst case you have exposed these players to the top end of the game.
Looking forward as the big/older players leave we will have a big gap to fill as i feel we have not exposed the younger players to game.
No point taking players if you are not going to use them.