Wales, Bale and Proud!

Poor result today, agree! and not a great performance, Iran were always a threat and not a poor team. and it was not our day, sadly!

I think most fans will be thankful for getting two 2x Euros and wow a world cup! Things I thought would not be possible, even though born in 1981, never thought I would see this, I may not again who knows.

Bale is a shadow of his former self, as Ramsey is, as we all know, but what Bale, has done for our country time and time again, the important goals to get us here in the first place, and drives Welsh football, being a role model for kids etc.., and the fantastic effort from the team in the last 10-12 years we should be so proud of all of them!!

We all know the reason Bale stays on, one free kick, one header, one pass, one cross, can and has many times made us get where we are.

Proud to be Welsh and well-done Wales! And thanks again for giving me 3x tournaments I never thought I would see!

Loyalty has cost us borh games page tactics joe allan is not an impact sub should have been in from start
Moore should have been on aginst usa
Both tactically wrong
Ampudu is not a midfielder
Page asks bale and ramsey what they think
He should be telling them
Bale needs to be dropped been fannying about the golf course and laying in the sun for to long has not had his head down with a point to prove sorry but sadly thats how it is.

Loyalty has cost us borh games page tactics joe allan is not an impact sub should have been in from start
Moore should have been on aginst usa
Both tactically wrong
Ampudu is not a midfielder
Page asks bale and ramsey what they think
He should be telling them
Bale needs to be dropped been fannying about the golf course and laying in the sun for to long has not had his head down with a point to prove sorry but sadly thats how it is.

Loyalty got us here in the first place, did not see anybody moaning then, think we all agree we could have done things better, to be at the world level, again we should be nothing else than proud. Only my view. Whatever the result, we are at the world cup, we were never going to win it, but to be part of this history in our lifetime, is special, based on Welsh football past!

Bale, Rambo, Allen, and Hennessy all tried their best and wanted it but father time catches up with everyone.

Now everyone has calmed down, we shouldn't let these two games tarnish all they have done

Piss poor from Page IMO he should have told them to sit it out and give me the last 30 mins, but there we are. At least Colwill and Harris got a bit of a sun on their legs and a bit of a tan

Bluebirds

Well said it's a fantastic achievement to have qualified it hasn't be expanded like the Euros. Italy Sweden Turkey Cezch Republic Hungary failed they have much bigger population and football doesn't compete to with another sport in the way it does with Rugby in Wales.

For the the criticism of players selections not to many replacements mentioned, drop Ramsey who comes in?

People said Ollie Copper should of made the squad look at his carrer so far he's not guaranteed a start for Swansea. Ryan Hedges was unlucky to miss out but would he of made an impact.

Page was incharge for the hole qualifying campaign got tactics wrong against the US but not really blessed with options

Bale, Rambo, Allen, and Hennessy all tried their best and wanted it but father time catches up with everyone.

Now everyone has calmed down, we shouldn't let these two games tarnish all they have done

Piss poor from Page IMO he should have told them to sit it out and give me the last 30 mins, but there we are. At least Colwill and Harris got a bit of a sun on their legs and a bit of a tan

Bluebirds

Agree with this...!

I said before this squad was a 'thank you' to far too many out there and a final fanfare for several players who helped create the current Wales #TogetherStronger movement

2 x Euros and a World Cup is more than most could have dreamed of and real 'expectation' was tempered from the off

Despite a quiet couple of appearances, Gareth Bale has achieved his dream; a scoring appearance at a World Cup Finals and that will be a huge part of his wonderful legacy

He, Rambo, Allen, Hennessy and a couple of others, should be put out to stud now. All are well passed their international (and maybe club) best and they should move over for the good clutch of youngsters we appear to have coming through

Thank you for your efforts, guys; time to exit stage left...

Well said it's a fantastic achievement to have qualified it hasn't be expanded like the Euros. Italy Sweden Turkey Cezch Republic Hungary failed they have much bigger population and football doesn't compete to with another sport in the way it does with Rugby in Wales.

For the the criticism of players selections not to many replacements mentioned, drop Ramsey who comes in?

People said Ollie Copper should of made the squad look at his carrer so far he's not guaranteed a start for Swansea. Ryan Hedges was unlucky to miss out but would he of made an impact.

Page was incharge for the hole qualifying campaign got tactics wrong against the US but not really blessed with options

We are all thankful for getting there but I’m sorry Ramsey needed bringing off and Page bottled it.

Loyalty has cost us borh games page tactics joe allan is not an impact sub should have been in from start
Moore should have been on aginst usa
Both tactically wrong
Ampudu is not a midfielder
Page asks bale and ramsey what they think
He should be telling them
Bale needs to be dropped been fannying about the golf course and laying in the sun for to long has not had his head down with a point to prove sorry but sadly thats how it is.

Loyalty got us here in the first place, did not see anybody moaning then, think we all agree we could have done things better, to be at the world level, again we should be nothing else than proud. Only my view. Whatever the result, we are at the world cup, we were never going to win it, but to be part of this history in our lifetime, is special, based on Welsh football past!

May have got us here mate that’s true but Bale and Ramsey clearly unfit.

Loyalty has cost us borh games page tactics joe allan is not an impact sub should have been in from start
Moore should have been on aginst usa
Both tactically wrong
Ampudu is not a midfielder
Page asks bale and ramsey what they think
He should be telling them
Bale needs to be dropped been fannying about the golf course and laying in the sun for to long has not had his head down with a point to prove sorry but sadly thats how it is.

As usual you are so fickle.

Give some respect to our best ever player.

Maccydee

i will give respect when people have payed good money in these hard times to travel as they have sadly i could not afford to and some players did not show up bale is a multi millionare and as someone said modrich is 37 bale 33 and are you telling me bale put a shift in today and that i must respect his effort overall

Overall yes
but i am commenting on his perfomance in a world cup and getting fit for his place in this world cup 2022 not the euros 2016 he has plenty of time to prepare and simple did' nt fickle has got f.ck all to do with it.

I’m Sure in the final group game, as always, they will do us proud, fight and maybe some of us will see Wales in the World cup again. The last 20 years has helped, kid’s more into football in Wales than ever before, with social media, allows them to follow our players much easier these days, role models like Bale in the modern world, really helped that, in a way Rush, Hughes even Giggs could not, due to the times we lived.

Enjoy while we can, maybe another 60 plus years or more before we make another World cup.

We all wanted Wales to do well and we all recognise that Bale and Ramsey have been great players and legends of Welsh football.BUT I think you are being a bit harsh on Montyblue saying fickle.
Ref: OT come on Cymru.
Many of us (eg including myself Llan Bluebird and Montyblue) said you cant play Bale (unfit) Ramsey (not match fit) and Wilson (not work hard enough).in the starting 11 in the World Cup. So its not being wiseafter the event. We said it before USA game, and it was even more patently obvious after it.
Why was it that Page again started and played Ramsey and Wilson in midfield!!
Bale was anonomous and Ramsey had his worst game in a Welsh shirt. When we played Moore why leave out players who could provide pace (Johnson and James).Don’t get me wrong, it would have been dufficult for Page not to play two legwnds but he gets paid to manage. Their sheer ability and talent means Bale and Ramsey would be a great options off the bench - but never 90 mins players. Ynfortunately, by blindly playing them it means two great players legacy is tarnished. I was at the Euros and it was great, but as Llan Bluebird said no one can defy age. Page gets paid to see that and take very difficult decisions. He didn’t. If he had not played our 2 “stars” from the start today, then we might have won (whi knows?) and also bale and Ramsey would be ralatively fresh.
What next? England. Do we “go again” as Bale said! Really!!
And dont get me started as to why he took Johnie Williams. I agree that loyalty is important,, but not misplaced loyalty to a couple at the expense of all the orhers. He is the manager for Gods sake.
Anyway lets pray we can do something v England.

If Ramsey don't start who does? Allen weren't fit, Morell Levit? Would they made a difference possibly Tyler Roberts could of been selected would of bought more energy but hasn't looked great when he's played that midfield role

We all wanted Wales to do well and we all recognise that Bale and Ramsey have been great players and legends of Welsh football.BUT I think you are being a bit harsh on Montyblue saying fickle.
Ref: OT come on Cymru.
Many of us (eg including myself Llan Bluebird and Montyblue) said you cant play Bale (unfit) Ramsey (not match fit) and Wilson (not work hard enough).in the starting 11 in the World Cup. So its not being wiseafter the event. We said it before USA game, and it was even more patently obvious after it.
Why was it that Page again started and played Ramsey and Wilson in midfield!!
Bale was anonomous and Ramsey had his worst game in a Welsh shirt. When we played Moore why leave out players who could provide pace (Johnson and James).Don’t get me wrong, it would have been dufficult for Page not to play two legwnds but he gets paid to manage. Their sheer ability and talent means Bale and Ramsey would be a great options off the bench - but never 90 mins players. Ynfortunately, by blindly playing them it means two great players legacy is tarnished. I was at the Euros and it was great, but as Llan Bluebird said no one can defy age. Page gets paid to see that and take very difficult decisions. He didn’t. If he had not played our 2 “stars” from the start today, then we might have won (whi knows?) and also bale and Ramsey would be ralatively fresh.
What next? England. Do we “go again” as Bale said! Really!!
And dont get me started as to why he took Johnie Williams. I agree that loyalty is important,, but not misplaced loyalty to a couple at the expense of all the orhers. He is the manager for Gods sake.
Anyway lets pray we can do something v England.

Great post.

I do have issue with what Monty said about fannying about on a golf course etc.

Again, Bale deserves a lot more respect than he has been given.

Maccydee

i will give respect when people have payed good money in these hard times to travel as they have sadly i could not afford to and some players did not show up bale is a multi millionare and as someone said modrich is 37 bale 33 and are you telling me bale put a shift in today and that i must respect his effort overall

Overall yes
but i am commenting on his perfomance in a world cup and getting fit for his place in this world cup 2022 not the euros 2016 he has plenty of time to prepare and simple did' nt fickle has got f.ck all to do with it.

Bales problem was he got turned by buisness rather than footballing reasons... went to usa to get fit ? Ffs barely played 40 mins or so in 2 months? That is shocking considering he was supposed to be doing it to be fit.... he practically hadn't played for nearly whole season previously so it was imperative he played regularly? ... he was not fit "full stop" coming into WC so unless he as change of attitude towards playing football he is past it as far as wales is concerned we cannot afford to have such luxury in the team....

Maccydee

i will give respect when people have payed good money in these hard times to travel as they have sadly i could not afford to and some players did not show up bale is a multi millionare and as someone said modrich is 37 bale 33 and are you telling me bale put a shift in today and that i must respect his effort overall

Overall yes
but i am commenting on his perfomance in a world cup and getting fit for his place in this world cup 2022 not the euros 2016 he has plenty of time to prepare and simple did' nt fickle has got f.ck all to do with it.

Bales problem was he got turned by buisness rather than footballing reasons... went to usa to get fit ? Ffs barely played 40 mins or so in 2 months? That is shocking considering he was supposed to be doing it to be fit.... he practically hadn't played for nearly whole season previously so it was imperative he played regularly? ... he was not fit "full stop" coming into WC so unless he as change of attitude towards playing football he is past it as far as wales is concerned we cannot afford to have such luxury in the team....

Allan, I learned something about Bale's near signing fir the Bluebirds yesterday and (from the source) I believe it to be true in line with what some of us said before his somewhat sudden and 'shock' move to the MLS....

Bale WAS booked in for a medical down The Vale with a view to joining the Bluebirds but failed to show for it...

Financial details were not great for him but he agreed on a package that involved future bonuses of some kind and he wanted to play 'home' games only. This was all agreed...

Ultimately, his failure to sign came when he was approached by LAFC and he put it to his wife and family with the question, Cardiff or LA?

He said he would fall in line with their decision and the family decided LA was too good an opportunity to miss, which at that point was Bale's preferred destination; hence the non-medical

Personally, I don't blame him (or them). Their future is secure and his long-term legacy won't be diminished. He has pretty much ticked every box and a few more by leading Wales to an historic World Cup Finals in which he has played and scored

Maybe his final box ticked in Qatar? His performances at said World Cup certainly smack of him not being too interested in the future and I expect him to finish his contract(s) with LAFC and retire from playing

What happens after that depends on what he decides he wants to do; a position few of us truly have full control over

I wish him well, he is and will remain a Welsh and footballing legend, the Welsh GOAT and the boy from Cardiff......

Football is a young man's game and GB has given us 16 years, most of that time he carried us as a genuine galactico. No moaning just popped us on his shoulders and single handily took us to the next level. We have been lucky.

Wouldn't mind seeing him as ass manager with the view to taking over from Page when his contract is up.

Maccydee

i will give respect when people have payed good money in these hard times to travel as they have sadly i could not afford to and some players did not show up bale is a multi millionare and as someone said modrich is 37 bale 33 and are you telling me bale put a shift in today and that i must respect his effort overall

Overall yes
but i am commenting on his perfomance in a world cup and getting fit for his place in this world cup 2022 not the euros 2016 he has plenty of time to prepare and simple did' nt fickle has got f.ck all to do with it.

Bales problem was he got turned by buisness rather than footballing reasons... went to usa to get fit ? Ffs barely played 40 mins or so in 2 months? That is shocking considering he was supposed to be doing it to be fit.... he practically hadn't played for nearly whole season previously so it was imperative he played regularly? ... he was not fit "full stop" coming into WC so unless he as change of attitude towards playing football he is past it as far as wales is concerned we cannot afford to have such luxury in the team....

Allan, I learned something about Bale's near signing fir the Bluebirds yesterday and (from the source) I believe it to be true in line with what some of us said before his somewhat sudden and 'shock' move to the MLS....

Bale WAS booked in for a medical down The Vale with a view to joining the Bluebirds but failed to show for it...

Financial details were not great for him but he agreed on a package that involved future bonuses of some kind and he wanted to play 'home' games only. This was all agreed...

Ultimately, his failure to sign came when he was approached by LAFC and he put it to his wife and family with the question, Cardiff or LA?

He said he would fall in line with their decision and the family decided LA was too good an opportunity to miss, which at that point was Bale's preferred destination; hence the non-medical

Personally, I don't blame him (or them). Their future is secure and his long-term legacy won't be diminished. He has pretty much ticked every box and a few more by leading Wales to an historic World Cup Finals in which he has played and scored

Maybe his final box ticked in Qatar? His performances at said World Cup certainly smack of him not being too interested in the future and I expect him to finish his contract(s) with LAFC and retire from playing

What happens after that depends on what he decides he wants to do; a position few of us truly have full control over

I wish him well, he is and will remain a Welsh and footballing legend, the Welsh GOAT and the boy from Cardiff......

Chris other than the medical part think its general knowledge LA was the choice he made with family and money in mind... but that then flies in face of wanting to be fit for WC because as i stated played around 40mins in total in his 2 months in LA? So he came to WC unfit and tbh that was a selfish decision although understandably so.... maybe he should call it a day if hes as you say is not motivated anymore? We certainly cannot go on with him playing way he is as we've seen its cost us badly having several unfit players either playing or in squad.. maybe page should take the decision away from him if hes brave enough which I doubt seeing as its pages loyalty programme that's caused the problems in 1st place.. like said no place for loyalty in football especially when it's at a WC.

Al, the issue for me is he can't get fit enough without breaking down and the last thing he wanted was to miss the WC, so he went in totally undercooked, and where he could get away with it before he can't now, and this is a first.

He has 2 months to have a real pre-season and get core fitness.

Sorry I disagree.

Largely thanks to the youth setup this is now largely a Premier League/top Championship squad (lower league players have been picked purely because of favouritism when there’s players in the same positions playing in higher divisions.

Anything less than qualification for both the Euros and World Cup is a genuine failure and this goes back probably to about 2016 and is why Coleman had to go when he failed in 2018.

And even then once we got to the tournament we should have been more than capable of competent instead of nicking a last minute penalty against the US and looking toothless to Iran.

This looking to the past and being thankful we’re at a World Cup, calling up past it, bottom division players just because we’ve been crap for 50 years is exactly why we’ve whimpered out today.

Al, the issue for me is he can't get fit enough without breaking down and the last thing he wanted was to miss the WC, so he went in totally undercooked, and where he could get away with it before he can't now, and this is a first.

He has 2 months to have a real pre-season and get core fitness.

Players who breakdown on regular basis are the ones who dont play on regular basis but play 10mins here and there ... we've seen it lots of times at city... also think the mls season starts end feb finished 9th oct with possibility of cup run until beginning of nov....so should be match fit as euro qualifying is basically same period except last two games. If course all depends if he starts for them? Because apparently he couldn't adjust to humidity and heat of LA and USA that's why didn't get more game time

Al, the issue for me is he can't get fit enough without breaking down and the last thing he wanted was to miss the WC, so he went in totally undercooked, and where he could get away with it before he can't now, and this is a first.

He has 2 months to have a real pre-season and get core fitness.

Players who breakdown on regular basis are the ones who dont play on regular basis but play 10mins here and there ... we've seen it lots of times at city... also think the mls season starts end feb finished 9th oct with possibility of cup run until beginning of nov....so should be match fit as euro qualifying is basically same period except last two games. If course all depends if he starts for them? Because apparently he couldn't adjust to humidity and heat of LA and USA that's why didn't get more game time

How can he not have got used to the heat & humidity in LA? It's not much different to Spain if at all & I've never noticed either, LA has a very nice climate & this just sounds like a made up excuse by someone.

Al, the issue for me is he can't get fit enough without breaking down and the last thing he wanted was to miss the WC, so he went in totally undercooked, and where he could get away with it before he can't now, and this is a first.

He has 2 months to have a real pre-season and get core fitness.

Players who breakdown on regular basis are the ones who dont play on regular basis but play 10mins here and there ... we've seen it lots of times at city... also think the mls season starts end feb finished 9th oct with possibility of cup run until beginning of nov....so should be match fit as euro qualifying is basically same period except last two games. If course all depends if he starts for them? Because apparently he couldn't adjust to humidity and heat of LA and USA that's why didn't get more game time

How can he not have got used to the heat & humidity in LA? It's not much different to Spain if at all & I've never noticed either, LA has a very nice climate & this just sounds like a made up excuse by someone.

Think it was their manager said it probably as an excuse for not playing him?

Well said it's a fantastic achievement to have qualified it hasn't be expanded like the Euros. Italy Sweden Turkey Cezch Republic Hungary failed they have much bigger population and football doesn't compete to with another sport in the way it does with Rugby in Wales.

For the the criticism of players selections not to many replacements mentioned, drop Ramsey who comes in?

People said Ollie Copper should of made the squad look at his carrer so far he's not guaranteed a start for Swansea. Ryan Hedges was unlucky to miss out but would he of made an impact.

Page was incharge for the hole qualifying campaign got tactics wrong against the US but not really blessed with options

We are all thankful for getting there but I’m sorry Ramsey needed bringing off and Page bottled it.

Ramsey was subbed

Well said it's a fantastic achievement to have qualified it hasn't be expanded like the Euros. Italy Sweden Turkey Cezch Republic Hungary failed they have much bigger population and football doesn't compete to with another sport in the way it does with Rugby in Wales.

For the the criticism of players selections not to many replacements mentioned, drop Ramsey who comes in?

People said Ollie Copper should of made the squad look at his carrer so far he's not guaranteed a start for Swansea. Ryan Hedges was unlucky to miss out but would he of made an impact.

Page was incharge for the hole qualifying campaign got tactics wrong against the US but not really blessed with options

We are all thankful for getting there but I’m sorry Ramsey needed bringing off and Page bottled it.

Ramsey was subbed

Unfortunately it was not until forced on Page when Hennessey got sent off in 86th minute. He should have been subbed at half time, possibly earlier. I love Rambo but by far his worst ever game for Wales.

Im travelling around Asia for a couple of months and while I've caught a few games I haven't been able to watch Wales so I can't really comment on the performances.

But it's an interesting thread and with regards to Bale and while I can appreciate his past efforts I lost a lot of respect for him when he was happy to sit on his arse and collect his massive salary whilst playing golf.

If he had anything about him 2 or 3 years ago he would have dropped his wages and moved to decent/top club at that time and played football.

I believe his lack of interest/ambition at that time has led to his almost embarrassing performances (from what I can gather) now.

I wonder if in years to come he'll see the hugely disappointing end to his career and have regrets or he'll see his massive wad of money and making a few appearances in a world Cup as a success.

I think the latter.

Well said it's a fantastic achievement to have qualified it hasn't be expanded like the Euros. Italy Sweden Turkey Cezch Republic Hungary failed they have much bigger population and football doesn't compete to with another sport in the way it does with Rugby in Wales.

For the the criticism of players selections not to many replacements mentioned, drop Ramsey who comes in?

People said Ollie Copper should of made the squad look at his carrer so far he's not guaranteed a start for Swansea. Ryan Hedges was unlucky to miss out but would he of made an impact.

Page was incharge for the hole qualifying campaign got tactics wrong against the US but not really blessed with options

We are all thankful for getting there but I’m sorry Ramsey needed bringing off and Page bottled it.

Ramsey was subbed

Unfortunately it was not until forced on Page when Hennessey got sent off in 86th minute. He should have been subbed at half time, possibly earlier. I love Rambo but by far his worst ever game for Wales.

That was partly pages fault Rambo is attacking midfielder but page played formation that required him to be defensive total waste of time and talent and this as been happening frequently ... said previously page is defensive minded in his set up of team whilst it got us to WC as we've seen its cost us when it matters.