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Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:19 pm

Our club is only worth only what people are willing to pay for it, thats reality

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 6:46 pm

Sam come home get the Club buzz back. build the youth get the right manager swap the family stand with the canton. Or am I asking for too much?

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:44 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Our club is only worth only what people are willing to pay for it, thats reality


That’s nonsense. The club is only worth what Tan is willing to sell for, otherwise he not selling !!

Talking to people today most would be OK with a takeover as long as it’s got real money behind it and that it’s not Hammam !!

To be honest, I just can’t see anyone with enough money wanting to buy us and then invest heavily in the current climate.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:04 pm

The club is worth what the valuation is which includes ground and infrastructure and players..... and need to possibly add the debts to that especially if owed to outside people like Dalman... how can it be worth what someone willing to pay for it? It's not a 2nd hand car your selling.. :o
For what it's worth £60m+ would be conservative estimate not including what tan wants back if he did want repaying..

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:32 pm

It’s only worth what you you pay for it. You can apply that to anything in life in its simplest form.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:34 pm

kyle08 wrote:Sam come home get the Club buzz back. build the youth get the right manager swap the family stand with the canton. Or am I asking for too much?


Let’s hope not. Unless you enjoyed the constant threat or going out of business because if he came back that’s what will happen and there might not be anyone to save us next time.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:15 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:It’s only worth what you you pay for it. You can apply that to anything in life in its simplest form.



It should be worth what sellers want to sell for? Because if dont want to sell it they want.. it appears mr tan wont sell unless he gets what he wants plus wont sell to just anybody....

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:26 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:It’s only worth what you you pay for it. You can apply that to anything in life in its simplest form.



It should be worth what sellers want to sell for? Because if dont want to sell it they want.. it appears mr tan wont sell unless he gets what he wants plus wont sell to just anybody....


Totally agree if he sells for what he wants then it’s worth what the buyer paid for it.
Two of the same thing just different perspectives I guess.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:44 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:It’s only worth what you you pay for it. You can apply that to anything in life in its simplest form.



It should be worth what sellers want to sell for? Because if dont want to sell it they want.. it appears mr tan wont sell unless he gets what he wants plus wont sell to just anybody....


Totally agree if he sells for what he wants then it’s worth what the buyer paid for it.
Two of the same thing just different perspectives I guess.



Very true not sure why anyone thinks it's only worth what someone willing to pay for it? If your not willing to pay asking price you simply wont be able to but it. Bit like house sale you say price and its sold at agreeable price to owner if not he wont sell it to you. As for price be surprised if it's not £60m+ as £30m is debt to others and not tans.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:18 am

kyle08 wrote:Sam come home get the Club buzz back. build the youth get the right manager swap the family stand with the canton. Or am I asking for too much?


I can only guess Sam is your mate or you weren’t around last time.

He was absolutely responsible for bringing this club back to life and, for that reason, he will always have my thanks.

However, he nearly put us out of business and Black Friday was the worst day in all my 51 years of supporting this club.

This forum does have a good proportion of Sam supporters but elsewhere he is a divisive figure and would bring a huge amount of apprehension to most fans.

I don’t want the club to flirt with Administration, winding up, transfer embargoes or fire sales of players. So whilst I’m not against a takeover let’s have someone new with no baggage that can bring ALL sides of the debate together.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:23 am

To be honest.. I'm quite happy with the way we are shaping up at present.. Def better to watch than previous years.. I think we have a good squad which is gelling nicely.. Scoring is a problem. Yes along with to many injuries but we are moving in the right direction..actually enjoying it, the ups and down.. Nice to finish with 11 today

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:49 pm

the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:51 pm

Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:18 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:24 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



Well Allan if you don’t get your asking price and your losing money all the time, you cut your losses in a business

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:32 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



Well Allan if you don’t get your asking price and your losing money all the time, you cut your losses in a business



Yes quite agree thats generally what happens... but that doesn't mean tan will sell at any price.... the other thing that must be taken into account is council / university will scrutinise sale as they have vested interest in the clubs infrastructure at llanrumney and house of sport..... as you know annis selling a football club is not easy especially with owner like tan... ncastle fans can vouche for that. :old:

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:35 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



It's all about how liquid the market is.

In the house scenerio I may only offer £500k but others biders are prepared to pay far closer to your valuation to get the asset.

In case of a championship football club, how many potential bidders are there ?

What is their motivation ? A quick profit, a long-term investment or just for the notoriety

With the uber strong dollar i thought there may be more US hedge funds buying championship clubs.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:35 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



Well Allan if you don’t get your asking price and your losing money all the time, you cut your losses in a business



Yes quite agree thats generally what happens... but that doesn't mean tan will sell at any price.... the other thing that must be taken into account is council / university will scrutinise sale as they have vested interest in the clubs infrastructure at llanrumney and house of sport..... as you know annis selling a football club is not easy especially with owner like tan... ncastle fans can vouche for that. :old:



Allan ,

What’s happening up there is virtually nothing to do with us or our input, we won’t own it, we will be paying Council a rent to use it.

I do think Tan is going to finally give in to one of the three offers he currently has.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:44 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



Well Allan if you don’t get your asking price and your losing money all the time, you cut your losses in a business



Yes quite agree thats generally what happens... but that doesn't mean tan will sell at any price.... the other thing that must be taken into account is council / university will scrutinise sale as they have vested interest in the clubs infrastructure at llanrumney and house of sport..... as you know annis selling a football club is not easy especially with owner like tan... ncastle fans can vouche for that. :old:



Allan ,

What’s happening up there is virtually nothing to do with us or our input, we won’t own it, we will be paying Council a rent to use it.

I do think Tan is going to finally give in to one of the three offers he currently has.



Hopefully annis he will sell by end season..but I would want it to be clean broom so no fan squabbles.... :thumbup:

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:58 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?



Well Allan if you don’t get your asking price and your losing money all the time, you cut your losses in a business



Yes quite agree thats generally what happens... but that doesn't mean tan will sell at any price.... the other thing that must be taken into account is council / university will scrutinise sale as they have vested interest in the clubs infrastructure at llanrumney and house of sport..... as you know annis selling a football club is not easy especially with owner like tan... ncastle fans can vouche for that. :old:



Allan ,

What’s happening up there is virtually nothing to do with us or our input, we won’t own it, we will be paying Council a rent to use it.

I do think Tan is going to finally give in to one of the three offers he currently has.



Hopefully current cash flow will be an issue for Tan and that could lead to him selling if for a paper loss anyway.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:44 pm

I’m not anti Tan, but I’ve had enough of his ownership time to move on. I do think Dalman will be the next owner with a consortium

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Wed Nov 02, 2022 9:12 am

pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?

If you put a £1m valuation on your house and the best offer you get for it is £500k then your house isn’t worth £1m. It’s worth half that as that’s all someone is prepared to pay. Struggling to see why anyone would dispute this.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:16 am

Jock wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?

If you put a £1m valuation on your house and the best offer you get for it is £500k then your house isn’t worth £1m. It’s worth half that as that’s all someone is prepared to pay. Struggling to see why anyone would dispute this.



I think thats right with a house to live in, but you can still tell them to get stuffed if you don't need to sell it.

If it's a business the seller decides what price he wants and then speculates on future value. Will it go up or down in value, is there a point where you cut your loses and let someone else take on the running of the club and potential loses?

It's in Tans hands and he decides not the buyer, the same as Mike Ashley when he got the price up on Newcastle because Amanda Stavely's consortium really wanted it, it's all part of the negotiation.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:55 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Jock wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bonner wrote:the club is worth what value is placed on it.
If no one meets that valuation then why would you sell.?
There are so many football clubs that are on the edge financially.. at least for joe VT is spying the bills and keeping us afloat.



That’s not how the world works.

it’s what others are prepared to pay for it, same with all businesses a fact.



So by that logic if your house is with 1m you would sell it for 500k because that's all someone is willing to pay for it?

If you put a £1m valuation on your house and the best offer you get for it is £500k then your house isn’t worth £1m. It’s worth half that as that’s all someone is prepared to pay. Struggling to see why anyone would dispute this.



I think thats right with a house to live in, but you can still tell them to get stuffed if you don't need to sell it.

If it's a business the seller decides what price he wants and then speculates on future value. Will it go up or down in value, is there a point where you cut your loses and let someone else take on the running of the club and potential loses?

It's in Tans hands and he decides not the buyer, the same as Mike Ashley when he got the price up on Newcastle because Amanda Stavely's consortium really wanted it, it's all part of the negotiation.



If we are losing £millions like they keep reporting then, surely it’s better to cut your losses in business unless we are helping out part of his other businesses Hmmmmm?

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:40 pm

It's never worth what the seller wants and it's never worth what a potential buyer wants to pay.

It's only worth an agreed price between buyer and seller.

It's getting the two to agree that is the problem.

I cannot see anything happening in the current climate as it is neither a buyer or seller market at the moment.

Undervalued stock is being held onto awaiting a change in the economy.

Re: Our club is only worth only what

Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:51 pm

The value is diminishing game by game at the moment. If we survive this season then Tan is in for a shock next. This isn't fun and its 2022 and this customer is bored shitless.