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Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:52 am

Can't wait to see his smug face if Boris walks into the commons with a swagger.. Entertainment value will be priceless...

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:23 am

Would be entertainment for idiots as we are the laughing stock of the world already.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:32 am

Really ?

So Tories re-appoint Boris who lied, broke the law and left the country in such a state than within 2 weeks of him leaving the economy crashed.

Add to that the fact he’s still under investigation for lying to Parliament which, if he’s found against, could mean that he has to leave office again.

But go on Tories, appoint the corrupt Boris and if he’s that good call an immediate general election.

I’m sure Starmer is shaking in his boots ………. not !! More like praying the Tories do appoint Boris !!

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:56 am

If Johnson is back as PM, that’s the best possible result for Starmer. Labour should definitely win a GE in that scenario.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:30 pm

All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:37 pm

Labour should be a shoe in, but I think they do fear Boris the most he get's right under the lefites skin, he's a good campaigner and unpredictable, and some how all sorts of people love him, especially the ex red wall.

Not sure they would take to Rishi in the same way although he would probably be the best candidate to manage us out of this mess, so it may end up Mordaunt, who looks ok but is untested so another big gamble.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:23 pm

Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.

Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.

There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.

The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.


In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.

As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.


But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:27 pm

Still waiting for starmers policies if win election? Do far it's about the conservatives and windfall tax oh and bribing low income voters with promises they like all politicians wont keep or cant keep..... let's hope whoever is next prime minister settles things down so the people who are making millions out of the crisis with Russia.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:58 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.

Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.

There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.

The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.


In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.

As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.


But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.


Spot on !!

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:03 pm

Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:


But Boris is the “saviour” why not call an election and get 4 year mandate, it seems you think it’s a shoe-in !!

As for blaming COVID, etc. the last Labour government was kicked out as they carried the can for a genuine GLOBAL financial crash, Tories seem to think it’s an excuse for them !!

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:43 pm

Johnson was finally removed from office after he knowingly ignored allegations of sexual misconduct by one of his MPs. There were multiple allegations and he tried to pretend he didn't know anything about it. He was found out and his party justifiably threw him out. Is this conduct acceptable for anyone in public life? Would it be ok for a Headteacher to ignore allegations about a teahcer or a GP allegations about a nurse? I can't understand why people want to turn a blind eye just because he's a 'character'. Its blind tribalism. The conservative party held a no confidence vote for good reason. Bringing him back is complete hypocrisy and Starmer has nothing to fear as that argument is easy and obvious to make.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:40 pm

And the circus begins. Mourdant would be my pick on the basis that she's not Boris, and another tick in the pro column for her is that she's also not Rishi.

I actually think Mourdant as PM with Badenoch as her deputy would at least see some integrity back in no. 10.

Not going to happen though.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:54 pm

You can barely slip a fag paper between Rishi and Starmer so it makes so little difference.

For all the bravado I'd be surprised if Boris gets to 100, the grey suits will try their damnedest to stop it.

Two boring globalists, so the real powers will be happy

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:07 pm

Not much has changed since he's been gone. Apart from
10% inflation.
Mortgage, rates through the roof.
Energy cap been and gone.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:12 pm

stickywicket wrote:Not much has changed since he's been gone. Apart from
10% inflation.
Mortgage, rates through the roof.
Energy cap been and gone.

Plus if he his found guilty by the parliamentary standards committee, he would need to resign and fight a by election. Perhaps we could have a general election on the same day

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:21 pm

Boris returning would be our equivalent of Trump returning to the US presidency.
Outrageous, disastrous scandalous, ludicrous but I wouldn't rule either out.
Shocking if either happen.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:44 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.

Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.

There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.

The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.


In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.

As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.


But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

Ned, I have no affiliation to any Party; preferring to go by the person rather than the politicical sway

However, you are spot on here and it would take a cock up of Kinnock proportions to blow this opportunity to end the Labour drought

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:56 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.

Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.

There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.

The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.


In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.

As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.


But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

100% good shout

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:00 pm

stickywicket wrote:Not much has changed since he's been gone. Apart from
10% inflation.
Mortgage, rates through the roof.
Energy cap been and gone.

Just like the rest of the world then ?

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:03 pm

Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
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Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:05 pm

Sven wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.

Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.

There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.

The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.


In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.

As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.


But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.

Ned, I have no affiliation to any Party; preferring to go by the person rather than the politicical sway

However, you are spot on here and it would take a cock up of Kinnock proportions to blow this opportunity to end the Labour drought
2 years is a long time in politics.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:15 pm

Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis :laughing6:

It's two more years, why would they call it now?

Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris :laughing6:

Was in bridgend market today at the butchers stand about 10 of us talking about it ,every single person thought boris should come back ,one voted Labour and said the people chose him in 2019 and he shouldn't of left ,boris was elected on mass by people who knew what he was like ,2 years is a long time in politics, he could turn it around when he left labour qere only 8 points ahead in the polls.which mid term is normal.

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:19 pm

wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:49 pm

Red or Blue they are all utter scumbags stealing a wage
Kier Starmer , the guy who knelt for marxism, thinks a man can have a cervix and wanted even more restrictions on top of the utter bonkers ones that were already in place. The Uk is a laughing stock

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:51 pm

Is a c**t?

Oh sorry I thought we were playing word association

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:17 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:58 pm

wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .



Wez asked same question earlier? Not once have we heared what they would do fiscally it's just a rant about how cons ruined the economy same as most of euro and world for that matter.... did mention a uk energy company which like all such entities are governed by world markets... ffs we dont use Russian gas but we paying same as everyone else.....there is bribery policies to win over the poorer people but no substance go how it will be paid for except tax the rich and tax the oil companies ...which will do bugger all for economy.. but may bot get election for 2yrs do wait and see

Re: Keir starmer

Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:44 pm

There’s no difference between any of them, cracks me up people think there is. So Starmer leans to the right to get in power a la Tony bliar, the Tory, as he’s now known. Nothing will change whoever is in power….same run down nhs, lack of funding in schools etc…I guess the lazy lefties I know will be happy still living at home with mummy and never really done a days graft, never will.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:02 am

pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .



Wez asked same question earlier? Not once have we heared what they would do fiscally it's just a rant about how cons ruined the economy same as most of euro and world for that matter.... did mention a uk energy company which like all such entities are governed by world markets... ffs we dont use Russian gas but we paying same as everyone else.....there is bribery policies to win over the poorer people but no substance go how it will be paid for except tax the rich and tax the oil companies ...which will do bugger all for economy.. but may bot get election for 2yrs do wait and see

If the economy keeps, going down the tubes, at least we'll be, a able to find a decent builder. They'll be cueing at the door.

Re: Keir starmer

Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:10 am

stickywicket wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
piledriver64 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .


I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.

Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.

Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.

It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!

What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .



Wez asked same question earlier? Not once have we heared what they would do fiscally it's just a rant about how cons ruined the economy same as most of euro and world for that matter.... did mention a uk energy company which like all such entities are governed by world markets... ffs we dont use Russian gas but we paying same as everyone else.....there is bribery policies to win over the poorer people but no substance go how it will be paid for except tax the rich and tax the oil companies ...which will do bugger all for economy.. but may bot get election for 2yrs do wait and see

If the economy keeps, going down the tubes, at least we'll be, a able to find a decent builder. They'll be cueing at the door.



Not here in pembrokeshire be lucky to get response... recently foned 4 solar energy people got one reply after leaving message... that is typical of tradesmen in pembrokeshire builders included have tried them as well :D