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worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.
Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.
There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.
The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.
In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.
As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.
But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:03 pm
Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis![]()
It's two more years, why would they call it now?
Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris
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stickywicket wrote:Not much has changed since he's been gone. Apart from
10% inflation.
Mortgage, rates through the roof.
Energy cap been and gone.
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Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:44 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.
Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.
There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.
The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.
In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.
As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.
But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:56 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.
Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.
There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.
The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.
In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.
As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.
But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:00 pm
stickywicket wrote:Not much has changed since he's been gone. Apart from
10% inflation.
Mortgage, rates through the roof.
Energy cap been and gone.
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:03 pm
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:05 pm
2 years is a long time in politics.Sven wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:Anyone who thinks we (Labour) fear Boris Johnson returning as PM are deluded. It would actually be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
The person the Tories choose has to be someone who understands the economy. Boris Johnson is out of his depth when it comes to that.
Let's not forget that he is still under investigation for his lies and law-breaking. There are no shortage of MPs on both sides of the house willing to testify against him. So when he is inevitably found to have broken the rules, he would be forced out of office once again before Christmas.
There's also the fact that several Tory MPs are likely to resign their seats if Johnson was PM again. Other Tory MPs, including his own cabinet, forced him out just months ago and said that he was unfit for office. Polls from the public (general public not just Tory members) suggest that Sunak and Mordeaunt are both more popular now - although none of them are more popular than Keir Starmer at the moment.
The idea that he is the person to unite the Tory party or the country is laughable. It would fall apart again in a matter of months.
In my view, their only credible option to bring in as PM is Rishi Sunak. He has a clear understanding of the economy and the markets.
As for the possibly of a GE, I can understand why there won't be one this year as Sunak will say we need a few months of him trying to bring stability (obviously we'd prefer to have one before Christmas). But there is likely to be one before next summer due to the fact the chaos and divisions in the current governing party are unlikely to go away.
But in summary, we'll be in this exact position again if Johnson wins this leadership election. Him winning would be the best result for Labour, but the worst for the country.
Ned, I have no affiliation to any Party; preferring to go by the person rather than the politicical sway
However, you are spot on here and it would take a cock up of Kinnock proportions to blow this opportunity to end the Labour drought
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:15 pm
Bluebina wrote:All the lefties, crying call an election now, we are above you in the polls for the first time in 12 years, after Brexit, covid, Ukraine war, energy crisis![]()
It's two more years, why would they call it now?
Then the BBC go to a market expecting every one to hate the conservatives, and everyone they interview says bring back Boris
Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:19 pm
wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
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piledriver64 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.
Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.
Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.
It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!
Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:58 pm
wez1927 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.
Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.
Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.
It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!
What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .
Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:44 pm
Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:02 am
pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.
Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.
Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.
It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!
What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .
Wez asked same question earlier? Not once have we heared what they would do fiscally it's just a rant about how cons ruined the economy same as most of euro and world for that matter.... did mention a uk energy company which like all such entities are governed by world markets... ffs we dont use Russian gas but we paying same as everyone else.....there is bribery policies to win over the poorer people but no substance go how it will be paid for except tax the rich and tax the oil companies ...which will do bugger all for economy.. but may bot get election for 2yrs do wait and see
Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:10 am
stickywicket wrote:pembroke allan wrote:wez1927 wrote:piledriver64 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Sums starmer up let's face it the lead in the polls now isn't coz starmer is any good it's coz the tories have self destructed . An interesting point the same mps that ousted boris have had buyers remorse and have back him today,the general tory public of the last election still like boris more than any other tory mp .
I think more to the point is that Rachel Reeves is head and shoulders above any prospective new Tory chancellor both in qualification and common sense.
Starmer is just sitting back and letting things happen he’s hugely ahead in the polls and, for now, it makes sense for him to just sit back and the Tories destroy themselves.
Once a new election is on the cards he will step up but if you listened to his speech at the recent conference the policies are ready to go when needed.
It makes me laugh when I hear Tories say “we don’t want Labour in charge of the economy”, they could hardly do any worse than the position we are now in after 12 years of Tory rule !!!!!
What are the policies? .no one knows them ,the one I heard about, the national engery company has been rolled back already .
Wez asked same question earlier? Not once have we heared what they would do fiscally it's just a rant about how cons ruined the economy same as most of euro and world for that matter.... did mention a uk energy company which like all such entities are governed by world markets... ffs we dont use Russian gas but we paying same as everyone else.....there is bribery policies to win over the poorer people but no substance go how it will be paid for except tax the rich and tax the oil companies ...which will do bugger all for economy.. but may bot get election for 2yrs do wait and see
If the economy keeps, going down the tubes, at least we'll be, a able to find a decent builder. They'll be cueing at the door.