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Watching the news this morning,they are now saying this energy price cap should not happen because it's a unknown on how much it will cost ,they have been screaming for it for months ffs

Watching the news this morning,they are now saying this energy price cap should not happen because it's a unknown on how much it will cost ,they have been screaming for it for months ffs

That was obvious at the time but it was seen, rightly IMO, as necessary to safeguard families and businesses through winter. The real issues are lockdown policy which has ruined public finances and caused rampant inflation, and the Ukraine/Russia war which needs to be ended ASAP to ensure energy supplies are no longer reduced.

Watching the news this morning,they are now saying this energy price cap should not happen because it's a unknown on how much it will cost ,they have been screaming for it for months ffs

That was obvious at the time but it was seen, rightly IMO, as necessary to safeguard families and businesses through winter. The real issues are lockdown policy which has ruined public finances and caused rampant inflation, and the Ukraine/Russia war which needs to be ended ASAP to ensure energy supplies are no longer reduced.

Please stop talking sense MJ.....the masses don't like it! All happy to take "free" money in the lovely spring of 2020 but didn't realiise at some stage there would be a pay back.

I have stated previously about the shenanigans, that I suspected, went on with the furlough scheme but every man and his dog just lapped it up!!!

Now they start whingeing when they realise our country is broke! I can tell you this as a fact as I have never receieved so many calls from HMRC regarding my clients asking for a mere £300 to be settled. This has never happened before. Normally the call comes in when they are £300K in debt. Mmmmmm....

Watching the news this morning,they are now saying this energy price cap should not happen because it's a unknown on how much it will cost ,they have been screaming for it for months ffs

That was obvious at the time but it was seen, rightly IMO, as necessary to safeguard families and businesses through winter. The real issues are lockdown policy which has ruined public finances and caused rampant inflation, and the Ukraine/Russia war which needs to be ended ASAP to ensure energy supplies are no longer reduced.

Please stop talking sense MJ.....the masses don't like it! All happy to take "free" money in the lovely spring of 2020 but didn't realiise at some stage there would be a pay back.

I have stated previously about the shenanigans, that I suspected, went on with the furlough scheme but every man and his dog just lapped it up!!!

Now they start whingeing when they realise our country is broke! I can tell you this as a fact as I have never receieved so many calls from HMRC regarding my clients asking for a mere £300 to be settled. This has never happened before. Normally the call comes in when they are £300K in debt. Mmmmmm....

I told my wife on the very day lockdown was announced and repeated it each time lockdown/furlough was extended that we were going to bugger the economy. She argued with me then but around six months later realised I was right. Others are beginning to see it too. It is tough when everyone has been complicit but we must have compassion, ultimately people have been misled by our government and they should shoulder the blame.

The Game of Thrones nonsense in parliament right now amuses me. Doesn't matter if it is Boris, Truss, Hunt or Starmer....the cake is already baked and it is now a poisoned chalice for the next decade.

The UK should be self sufficient and not require to importing gas and oil.
We have our own supplies in the north sea for one.
And perhaps other areas around our coastline.
Plenty of open cast mining still available throughout the country.
And coal can now be made a clean fuel.
With all the mountains in Wales and up north plenty to provide wind turbines.
And plenty of room for turbines offshore too.
Tidal currents can also generate huge power.
Hydrogen can be created by wind power from this.
The new gas.
So the UK it's own worse enemy imo.

As for the lockdown.
What a farce.
As was the mask wearing
And the whole government and media hype.
Funny how you never hear about it anymore eh.
I was refused and time off work.
I'm in transport.
Saying that I enjoyed the lockdown.
2metres away from all people to me is not enough.
And as for the vaccine don't get me started.
I'm not against a vaccine
All for ones that work.
But how can you create one for a virus.
It constantly changes.
That's how they manage to exist.
TB stays as TB for example.
I'm not vaccinated and am still alive.
2 guys who I worked closely with are avvid jab takers and were bad for a week.
I merely had a bit of a sore throat and a wee cold for 24hrs.
Make your own opinion of that.
But I have mine.
But all of it has cost the country billions.
One hell of a mess Boris got is into.

The UK should be self sufficient and not require to importing gas and oil.
We have our own supplies in the north sea for one.
And perhaps other areas around our coastline.
Plenty of open cast mining still available throughout the country.
And coal can now be made a clean fuel.
With all the mountains in Wales and up north plenty to provide wind turbines.
And plenty of room for turbines offshore too.
Tidal currents can also generate huge power.
Hydrogen can be created by wind power from this.
The new gas.
So the UK it's own worse enemy imo.

As for the lockdown.
What a farce.
As was the mask wearing
And the whole government and media hype.
Funny how you never hear about it anymore eh.
I was refused and time off work.
I'm in transport.
Saying that I enjoyed the lockdown.
2metres away from all people to me is not enough.
And as for the vaccine don't get me started.
I'm not against a vaccine
All for ones that work.
But how can you create one for a virus.
It constantly changes.
That's how they manage to exist.
TB stays as TB for example.
I'm not vaccinated and am still alive.
2 guys who I worked closely with are avvid jab takers and were bad for a week.
I merely had a bit of a sore throat and a wee cold for 24hrs.
Make your own opinion of that.
But I have mine.
But all of it has cost the country billions.
One hell of a mess Boris got is into.

I hear ya LFW. Here's an interesting clip on the latest truth that is now coming out about Pfizer and the miraculous vaccine that we were originally told had a 95% efficacy rate! Make your own mind up.

https://youtu.be/Rh4Zix87kFo

Ah Neil Oliver he's in my way of thinking all the way.
A libertarian borderline Anarchists.
The too are very similar.
I grew up with the likes of Crass, Conflict, Subhumans to name a few.
Always tried to look at the alternative to the society we are told is the norm.
He's on GB NEWS which is quite strange as they are supposedly a pro Tory news channel.
Yet more of their opinions appeal to the those of Neil Oliver.
The cohesive coercion rippled through the UK.
When I say to people I'm not vaccinated.
They look at me like I'm alien.
And some tend to back off from me as if I'm the virus itself.
I've been told I need putting down.
Hilarious.
They got it all wrong.
But boy did they convince people to follow and join in.

There is also since the pandemic (how I hate that expression along with unprecedented) that there a government report of up 14,000 unexpected deaths per week.
Neil Oliver goes on about that too.
Is this vaccine related?
And there is up to a 500,000 case of people that have life changing illness's including limbs amputated and deaths.
The figure is a combination of the above mentioned.

But again we don't get to see or hear about that either.
But the report exists.

Here's a link to the victims of the vaccination by Mark Steyn from GB NEWS.


https://youtu.be/H0YhwBJRreU

Again makes you think.
But to those that don't want too.
It will be just classed as "Another Anti-vax" post.

Here's a link to the victims of the vaccination by Mark Steyn from GB NEWS.


https://youtu.be/H0YhwBJRreU

Again makes you think.
But to those that don't want too.
It will be just classed as "Another Anti-vax" post.

I've just watched that and thanks for sharing. I am truly horrified about those numbers, I didn't realise it was that bad.

It reminded me of a poster on here, who was shooting me down in flames (I think he was ex army) at the time, as he was a vaccine volunteer, he administered the jabs.

Not verbatim......but my sentiment was that I hoped he was not unconsciously causing other people damage. Well, I guess we now know the answer to that!

Didn't see it as an anti vax thing but after 2 minutes he blamed everyone in power including the queen for being complicit in injuring and killing hundreds of thousands
of people that's when stopped listening .... at end day people had choice to have it or not so dont blame the queen or politicians for your own shortcomings in not saying no.... I notice he didn't elaborate on the hundreds of thousands supposedly effected by vaccine, yes people died or effected by vaccines nobody as ever denied that but hundreds of thousands mmmm.... but there again its GB news the station that uses "has been" tv people using sensationalism to try to get viewers for a Mickey mouse station.

Didn't see it as an anti vax thing but after 2 minutes he blamed everyone in power including the queen for being complicit in injuring and killing hundreds of thousands
of people that's when stopped listening .... at end day people had choice to have it or not so dont blame the queen or politicians for your own shortcomings in not saying no.... I notice he didn't elaborate on the hundreds of thousands supposedly effected by vaccine, yes people died or effected by vaccines nobody as ever denied that but hundreds of thousands mmmm.... but there again its GB news the station that uses "has been" tv people using sensationalism to try to get viewers for a Mickey mouse station.

With all due respect Allan..."the people" weren't given a FAIR choice. Those of us who decided they did not want to take a "medical procedure" were ostracised, ridiculed, called all sorts of names and also excluded from normal day to day activity.

You jump on the Queen thing......well try and imagine if YOUR son or daughter, or wife or mother was affected by this horrendous "antidote". How would you feel then????

Please don't try and re-write history because it will not wash!

I think you'll find the reason he blames the government and queen is they publicly announced in their opinion that the vaccine was safe.
And both said you should take it to protect others and not just think of yourself.

The vaccine is now not considered to stop you from passing the virus onto someone else.
But you were ostracized if you didn't because non vaccinated people were considered to be the biggest threat to stopping the virus and looked upon as the the most likely to infect people.

Nor does it protect you from getting covid or having symptoms less than someone who is not vaccinated.

Which I pointed out above.
I'm not vaccinated but I've had worse colds and hangovers.


But the 2 vaccinated co-workers were on there knees. with it.

Nor does it mean that the vaccine is safe.
As there is a government report of 500,000 victims as I stated above too.

This is facts that have been proven wrong.
Hence why he blames the above mentioned.

Again I am not Anti-vax
Just not for ones that from the above don't seem to work.
I mean how many vaccination rollouts have there been now.
Surely we are all loosing count.
Along with faith in what we are being told.

Here's a link to the victims of the vaccination by Mark Steyn from GB NEWS.


No problem fella.
Always there to help pass on a bit of info to someone who's interested mate



https://youtu.be/H0YhwBJRreU

Again makes you think.
But to those that don't want too.
It will be just classed as "Another Anti-vax" post.

I've just watched that and thanks for sharing. I am truly horrified about those numbers, I didn't realise it was that bad.

It reminded me of a poster on here, who was shooting me down in flames (I think he was ex army) at the time, as he was a vaccine volunteer, he administered the jabs.

Not verbatim......but my sentiment was that I hoped he was not unconsciously causing other people damage. Well, I guess we now know the answer to that!

And it's okay being shot down if the other person has a valid argument or actual fact to do it with mate.
You might get lucky and learn something from it.
Might being the question...

I'm used to it.
If you go against the grain you can't help but get someone's back up eh

Didn't see it as an anti vax thing but after 2 minutes he blamed everyone in power including the queen for being complicit in injuring and killing hundreds of thousands
of people that's when stopped listening .... at end day people had choice to have it or not so dont blame the queen or politicians for your own shortcomings in not saying no.... I notice he didn't elaborate on the hundreds of thousands supposedly effected by vaccine, yes people died or effected by vaccines nobody as ever denied that but hundreds of thousands mmmm.... but there again its GB news the station that uses "has been" tv people using sensationalism to try to get viewers for a Mickey mouse station.

With all due respect Allan..."the people" weren't given a FAIR choice. Those of us who decided they did not want to take a "medical procedure" were ostracised, ridiculed, called all sorts of names and also excluded from normal day to day activity.

You jump on the Queen thing......well try and imagine if YOUR son or daughter, or wife or mother was affected by this horrendous "antidote". How would you feel then????

Please don't try and re-write history because it will not wash!

Not rewriting anything... at end day you made choice I did I have had my booster and that's it for me no more simply my choice to blame things on people being ostracized for them taking vaccine and ending up dead or seriously ill is making excuses for people simply making a choice open to anyone..... as for being excluded well had this argument before again its a choice just like all the sportsmen or joe public who wanted to travel but couldn't they knew this was rules so made a simple choice not to be vaccinated no one forced them did they? The restrictions were for the greater good as deemed by companies or organisations involved nothing to do with governments was it? At end day no one was forced to have vaccine or forced not have it... people were scare mongering people not to take it and others doing same to have it who is right? You simply cannot make out it's a one sided argument its double sided like all arguments.
As for people having vaccine because queen did is making out people are sheep and cannot think for themselves... mind you those who died and didn't have vaccine the poor relatives felt guilty they didn't persuade them to have vaccine and publicly said so just like those in programme... perhaps they would have rather been sheep instead of mourning loved ones. Very simple choice isn't it.

at end day people had choice to have it or not so dont blame the queen or politicians for your own shortcomings in not saying no.... :

Mate in fairness the social coercion was off the charts.

The amount of vitriol pointed at anyone daring to question the narrative and choose not to get vaccinated was more than an awful lot of people would have been able to refute, particularly given the bombardment across all media that was pro vaccine and state sponsored.

Lets not forget that we were told unconditionally and continuously that:

• The vaccines were 100% safe - now proven to be false
• The vaccines would prevent you from passing the virus on - now proven to be false
• The vaccines would stop you from getting the virus - now clearly proven to be false
• The vaccines would reduce your chance of hospitalisation - now proven to be false
• Mask wearing would not impact the development of children - now proven to be false
• The virus would overburden the NHS - again proven to be false (Nightengale hospitals cost £1.7M per patient because they were largely unused)
• The virus was an existential threat - now proven to be false

The list goes on and on. I'll be honest, having argued the case for the best part of the two years, as politely as I can, and still getting called an anti-vaxxer, a granny killer and all the rest - I take zero pleasure in being vindicated more each day in my position on this.

It is no wonder a lot of people are pissed.

The very authorities they trusted, who they thought were their to protect them lied openly, and continuously to them. They used every channel of communication they could from Eastenders to Rolling News with a daily death toll ticker, to drive the message home, and weaponised community spirit to attack those showing dissent.

People may have had the choice, but it took a lot to go against the grain in the face of all of the above. The entirety of the narrative was built on emotive fear rather than data and that is a very compelling tool in terms of psychological manipulation.

That anger will only continue to grow as the truth continues to slowly seep out. In fairness, who else is there to blame other than the heads of state who oversaw the whole shit-show?

Respect as always mate, but disagree with your take on this one

ealing_ayatollah

A breathe of fresh air.

Or is that the removal of the mask....haha.

Great to find a like minded City fan.

I genuinely thank you for your add to this post.

It's such a shame that it has come to this, but I have continually said the truth will come out in the end.

I fear that deep down people are realising the truth, but they may be so entrenched into a position that they just can't admit it.

As always, believe what you want to believe, much love.

reply to the TheHangedMan

I generally find it's the ones that hit out at you are the ones that feel you are attacking them.
As deep down they know something is wrong.
It's a case of wether they want to accept it.
At its the flight against themselves that causes the friction and the problems.

The old saying don't shoot the messenger springs to mind.
We can only deliver what we think.
It's down to the individual to digest or deal with the fight within.
Sounds a bit f*cking cosmic but has help me in the past and I'm far from someone not to put up a fight against shit I don't believe in.

I stand untested and unvaccinated.
And am proud not to have fallen for the whole drama.
Without sounding patronising it takes time for others to see the truth.
But the information is out there it's just wether they choose to take it.
Good man for standing against it too.

Been put out that people were cohersed and lied to and whatever else to have the vaccine ... how would people describe the threats and intimidation at vaccine centres towards people having the vaccine incidents was on the news and other outlets fair few times so wasnt made up.... so was this simply Gentle persuasion or trying to show people the errors of their ways in having vaccine?:o

Been put out that people were cohersed and lied to and whatever else to have the vaccine ... how would people describe the threats and intimidation at vaccine centres towards people having the vaccine incidents was on the news and other outlets fair few times so wasnt made up.... so was this simply Gentle persuasion or trying to show people the errors of their ways in having vaccine?:o

Anyway time to move on all been said before besides sandras beach bar is calling me once again So be nice to each other

Been put out that people were cohersed and lied to and whatever else to have the vaccine ... how would people describe the threats and intimidation at vaccine centres towards people having the vaccine incidents was on the news and other outlets fair few times so wasnt made up.... so was this simply Gentle persuasion or trying to show people the errors of their ways in having vaccine?:o


Yes these happened but you're missing the point.

They were the militant anti vaxers.

All of us here have never claimed to be this.

Also you must try to understand that the media did okay on this.
Even though it happened.

Our point is we are not them.

But the real truth was never given to you either.

How is our opinion the same as you have just portrayed.

Is this down to the media again saying everyone who doesn't want a vaccination is the the same as you have just explained.

Again clever work again.

Please see all through this.

Remember Thatcher back in the 80s.
Well according to her and the media.
Every new age traveller was a benefit scrounger and had a dog on s string to get extra money for the dog in benefits.

Hilarious.

I loved a life like that and so did many of my friends.
We all worked we didn't get benefits.
And we just tried to live a different way of life.

But if you heard my version would it have been so easy for her to rip apart the way of life we were living.

No cos the hatred sent through the media made everyone want it to happen. .

Lived not loved

Been put out that people were cohersed and lied to and whatever else to have the vaccine ... how would people describe the threats and intimidation at vaccine centres towards people having the vaccine incidents was on the news and other outlets fair few times so wasnt made up.... so was this simply Gentle persuasion or trying to show people the errors of their ways in having vaccine?:o


Yes these happened but you're missing the point.

They were the militant anti vaxers.

All of us here have never claimed to be this.

Also you must try to understand that the media did okay on this.
Even though it happened.

Our point is we are not them.

But the real truth was never given to you either.

How is our opinion the same as you have just portrayed.

Is this down to the media again saying everyone who doesn't want a vaccination is the the same as you have just explained.

Again clever work again.

Please see all through this.

Missed no point ... but funny how intimidation is by rogue elements of anti vaccinate groups .... like said cannot claim establishment being bad guys and distance yourself from bad guys of anti vaccination... the truth is what you want to believe always as been regardless of what its about... you believe what's said about vaccine being poisonous being true . others believe what gvmnt said is true... people simply cannot dismiss one thing and embrace other just because it suits peoples narrative of things no matter what side of equation your are on.

Been put out that people were cohersed and lied to and whatever else to have the vaccine ... how would people describe the threats and intimidation at vaccine centres towards people having the vaccine incidents was on the news and other outlets fair few times so wasnt made up.... so was this simply Gentle persuasion or trying to show people the errors of their ways in having vaccine?:o

Anyway time to move on all been said before besides sandras beach bar is calling me once again So be nice to each other

Two wrongs never make a right and violence, threats and intimidation are never the way forward.

But for me on both sides of the aisle it all comes down to a quiet yet continuing layer of fear.

A fear that at best could have been allayed with better more transparent leadership, open discussion rather than shutting down of dissenting voices and alternative perspectives that were not aligned to an agenda that lined the pockets of some of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Dissenting voices from once highly credible medical professionals - of which there were many, were routinely kept quiet or discredited.

A fear that at worst feels very much like it was cultivated deliberately to pitch us against each other.

It was fear of a virus and what it could do to them and their loved ones that drove the insanity on one side.

It was fear of sleepwalking into an authoritarian dystopian nightmare under false premises and what that would mean for them and their loved ones on the other.

Either way the root source fo the fear was the same. Leadership that was either incompetent or malevolent. I've said before, I still don't know which of those two options scares me more - but either way, it is not with each other we should be looking to fight and it never has been - it is with far more powerful people who have used us all as pawns.

Like you say we need to be nice to each other, that is 100% the way out of everything, us all (re)learning to show each other friendship.

Hope you had a nice pint at Sandra's

ealing_ayatollah

A breathe of fresh air.

Or is that the removal of the mask....haha.

Great to find a like minded City fan.

I genuinely thank you for your add to this post.

Diolch

It's such a shame that it has come to this, but I have continually said the truth will come out in the end.

I fear that deep down people are realising the truth, but they may be so entrenched into a position that they just can't admit it.

As always, believe what you want to believe, much love.

You're correct as always young man - in each of the statements above.

It's such a shame that it has come to this, but I have continually said the truth will come out in the end.

I fear that deep down people are realising the truth, but they may be so entrenched into a position that they just can't admit it.

As always, believe what you want to believe, much love.

You're correct as always young man - in each of the statements above.

Cheers Sir Ealing, it's a tough battle but I feel I have a sense of responsibility to others.

They will mock me, they will definitely ridicule me, but I just hope.....at some point.....they will look inside. Therein lies the truth!