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When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:54 pm

When you compare Harris to Watters, who is three months his junior, but has already represented 11 different clubs in his career and has enjoyed more starts this season, Harris provides more intensity, work ethic and goal threat.



By Scott Johnson



Bluebirds:

Mark Harris aged 24: 61 appearances / 6 goals

Max Watters aged 23: 19 appearances / 1 goal


Age is a big factor in how players tend to be perceived by supporters and within the game itself. The younger you are, the more potential you have and the more time you are afforded. That stands to reason, but players do not always get better with every passing year and then decline at the same certain point. Some players peak in their teens and others not until their mid-twenties.

Harris may still be a little rough around the edges, and may always be, but he does appear to still be improving. He is smarter and stronger than he used to be and this was picked up on by Steve Morison in his press conference earlier in the week.

Like many Cardiff players over the years, Harris has been to some extent a victim of circumstance. He has had several different mangers with differing ways of playing.


Like Watters, he probably favours playing as part of a pairing up top, but Cardiff have frequently favoured a lone frontman. Cardiff don’t currently have a player capable of ploughing a lone furrow in the mould of Kieffer Moore or Jordan Hugill and deputising in that role has done little for Watters street cred.

Harris lined up alongside Callum Robinson at Middlesbrough on Tuesday and both were instrumental in an impressive victory and much improved performance. A 3-5-2 formation was utilised at times last season to great success and it may make the best use of the players at hand, but there may be a horses for courses approach going forward.

With a World Cup on the horizon and a contract expiring next summer, this is a huge season for Harris. He currently has the shirt and it's up to him whether or not he keeps it. He should probably make the most of the opportunity while Davies remains absent because there is sure to be a clamour for his inclusion once he returns.

As for his critics, Harris has the right attitude and application, is an academy graduate and a Welsh international. He may not be refined or the finished product, but surely he is worth rooting for.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:58 pm

Forever Blue wrote:When you compare Harris to Watters, who is three months his junior, but has already represented 11 different clubs in his career and has enjoyed more starts this season, Harris provides more intensity, work ethic and goal threat.



By Scott Johnson



Bluebirds:

Mark Harris aged 24: 61 appearances / 6 goals

Max Watters aged 23: 19 appearances / 1 goal


Age is a big factor in how players tend to be perceived by supporters and within the game itself. The younger you are, the more potential you have and the more time you are afforded. That stands to reason, but players do not always get better with every passing year and then decline at the same certain point. Some players peak in their teens and others not until their mid-twenties.

Harris may still be a little rough around the edges, and may always be, but he does appear to still be improving. He is smarter and stronger than he used to be and this was picked up on by Steve Morison in his press conference earlier in the week.

Like many Cardiff players over the years, Harris has been to some extent a victim of circumstance. He has had several different mangers with differing ways of playing.


Like Watters, he probably favours playing as part of a pairing up top, but Cardiff have frequently favoured a lone frontman. Cardiff don’t currently have a player capable of ploughing a lone furrow in the mould of Kieffer Moore or Jordan Hugill and deputising in that role has done little for Watters street cred.

Harris lined up alongside Callum Robinson at Middlesbrough on Tuesday and both were instrumental in an impressive victory and much improved performance. A 3-5-2 formation was utilised at times last season to great success and it may make the best use of the players at hand, but there may be a horses for courses approach going forward.

With a World Cup on the horizon and a contract expiring next summer, this is a huge season for Harris. He currently has the shirt and it's up to him whether or not he keeps it. He should probably make the most of the opportunity while Davies remains absent because there is sure to be a clamour for his inclusion once he returns.

As for his critics, Harris has the right attitude and application, is an academy graduate and a Welsh international. He may not be refined or the finished product, but surely he is worth rooting for.

I feel Harris offers more and him and Robinson could be a good partnership both have pace .

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:07 pm

They are different type of players and i wont deny that Harris offers more all round. Watters may not have done the business for us but his goal scoring record elsewhere is far superior to Harris who hasn't set the world alight when he was has been on loan.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:30 pm

JJ1927 wrote:They are different type of players and i wont deny that Harris offers more all round. Watters may not have done the business for us but his goal scoring record elsewhere is far superior to Harris who hasn't set the world alight when he was has been on loan.

I think Harris might get a few playing with Robinson.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:01 pm

Bit unfair comparison simply because watters has not played with Robinson.... and I've consistently said watters needs a decent partner upfront? Harris is most definitely not right person for him.... but for now can only hope Harris/Robinson partnership works.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:27 pm

People still making excuses for Watters…

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:25 pm

Something_Blue wrote:People still making excuses for Watters…



It's about viewpoint... take mine what part of what I've said is not true? Watters harris together is pointless ...... watters not played with Robinson so how do we know watters wont be more effective with a decent partner just like people are saying Harris as improved with Robinson in team.... so why not watters doing same? Afterall watters proved can score all be it at lower level can same be said of Harris.... :old:
Be bit boring if everyone as same viewpoint wont it.. :mrgreen:

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 9:54 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Something_Blue wrote:People still making excuses for Watters…



It's about viewpoint... take mine what part of what I've said is not true? Watters harris together is pointless ...... watters not played with Robinson so how do we know watters wont be more effective with a decent partner just like people are saying Harris as improved with Robinson in team.... so why not watters doing same? Afterall watters proved can score all be it at lower level can same be said of Harris.... :old:
Be bit boring if everyone as same viewpoint wont it.. :mrgreen:


You’re absolutely right to have your opinion. It’s what makes this game so great.

Personally, I think Harris offers more to the team and actually looks to make an impact whether that is by starting or from the bench.

Watters just seems to wait for something to happen rather than making it happen.

Don’t get me wrong, I actually don’t think either are good enough for this level but Harris is certainly the best of the two in my opinion.

Once Davies and Etete are available I don’t think Harris or Watters will see much game time.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Fri Sep 16, 2022 10:40 pm

piledriver64 wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Something_Blue wrote:People still making excuses for Watters…



It's about viewpoint... take mine what part of what I've said is not true? Watters harris together is pointless ...... watters not played with Robinson so how do we know watters wont be more effective with a decent partner just like people are saying Harris as improved with Robinson in team.... so why not watters doing same? Afterall watters proved can score all be it at lower level can same be said of Harris.... :old:
Be bit boring if everyone as same viewpoint wont it.. :mrgreen:


You’re absolutely right to have your opinion. It’s what makes this game so great.

Personally, I think Harris offers more to the team and actually looks to make an impact whether that is by starting or from the bench.

Watters just seems to wait for something to happen rather than making it happen.

Don’t get me wrong, I actually don’t think either are good enough for this level but Harris is certainly the best of the two in my opinion.

Once Davies and Etete are available I don’t think Harris or Watters will see much game time.




Harris did sfa when played with watters and Visa versa! Now people say Harris/Robinson partnership is ok.... if that's case why cant watters/Robinson duet be as good or not better? For watters being crap scorer you can add past 5 or 6 strikers in same bracket... why? Because every manager didn't play to their strengths morison is same as insists watters play 60mins upfront with no help now all sudden hes basically playing 2 upfront I think it's a shame watters isn't offered same opportunity... despite Harris's goal I'm not convinced he is good enough to get goals we require to challenge top 6.... Unless morison plays watters/Robinson together we wont know if watters is any better....

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Sat Sep 17, 2022 5:13 am

They are both terrible! Difference is Harris actually tries to take a hand by the scruff of the neck whereas Watters just plays lip service and never seems to play with any intensity. If they are both here this time next year we will not have progressed

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:01 am

At the moment we can say both not at the level we want. Harris scored mid week and played well, however he has previously failed to have successive good games. This is the day he can change the pattern.

Re: When you compare Harris to Watters?

Sat Sep 17, 2022 1:11 pm

i think there is a big difference, not only are they different players, the biggest one is Harris plays wide of the main striker usually, this can have a huge difference, he's not the focal goal threat, so its probably less pressure to play that role compared to being the main striker. which is probably why you see Watters snatching at a load of chances because he feels the pressure.

i see Harris as a much better player to Watters, although i don't think Harris is 10 goal a season striker, never mind a 20 goal a season which is USUALLY whats required for promotion out of this league