Confirmed: Emiliano Sala Verdict goes against City

The agent did his job for Nantes and sold him, his job was done for them, no matter what we think of him.

The deal was complete.

The son of the agent was our employee and he arranged the plane for Sala after the deal was completed.

The agents can’t be done for the flight , that flight has already done by the courts, found him guilty . So he is responsible, but is totally skint.

The same company and planes were being used to take Warnock around while he worked for us.

We can’t sue Nantes as they were not responsible for the plane. The agent was hired to sell the player and that was it, job was complete.

This case is now going to cost our club way more than £20 mill.

I hope that money is well locked away and there to be paid as I can not see how we can continue to not pay after losing both cases.

Emiliano Sala was our player and registered with the Welsh FA.

None of this I have to say is Tans, but legally it’s our responsibility.

Sadly a family has been broken through this and Sala RIP.

And unbelievable tragedy.

Paul's legal advice in this has been valuable, the club revealed its potential direction of travel on the FIFA report and it's been confirmed today in the statement. A warning shot to Nantes that they will come off worse from a separate civil case where we will recover the transfer fee, costs and loss of earnings based on Vicarious responsibility and balance of probabilities, as Nantes are ultimately responsible for the tragedy.

It's complex though. What I don't understand is this. If we do have to pay the transfer fee, why isn't this from insurance as opposed from our own funds, which have been ringfenced for this? That's what insurance is for. So if we were sufficiently insured, why did we ringfence funds?

As said it is complex and when it is, always follow the money, it always leads to the truth. And the only truth I see here is that we can potentially sue Nantes for a lot of money as ultimately, it was their neglect that caused the crash.

From memory, because of the “over the weekend” timing of it. Sala hadn’t been insured by us. Not sure if it was an oversight or what.

Paul's legal advice in this has been valuable, the club revealed its potential direction of travel on the FIFA report and it's been confirmed today in the statement. A warning shot to Nantes that they will come off worse from a separate civil case where we will recover the transfer fee, costs and loss of earnings based on Vicarious responsibility and balance of probabilities, as Nantes are ultimately responsible for the tragedy.

It's complex though. What I don't understand is this. If we do have to pay the transfer fee, why isn't this from insurance as opposed from our own funds, which have been ringfenced for this? That's what insurance is for. So if we were sufficiently insured, why did we ringfence funds?

As said it is complex and when it is, always follow the money, it always leads to the truth. And the only truth I see here is that we can potentially sue Nantes for a lot of money as ultimately, it was their neglect that caused the crash.

From memory, because of the “over the weekend” timing of it. Sala hadn’t been insured by us. Not sure if it was an oversight or what.

That’s exactly what I was told.

We are now appealing to the Swiss Federal Court, this is the final appeal.
I did say months ago that there would be one final appeal, that would only be allowed if both parties had agreed to it before this appeal started

I won't reply to the above valid posts as it becomes an unreadable scroller. It sounds cold, but this is all about money, it always is. Fair enough. But the only principles here were offered by us. Safe flight and then a family trust fund.
Nantes offered neither and their statement today proves what they are really about. I note that they say they are 'delighted' with the outcome, as it is in their favour. Not very sensitive language, is it? Hmmm.

I can't stand MD but that said, he said agents behave like its the Wild West in dealings which is the way it's always been. But even that said, he's an investment banker and I know that world, it's exactly how it operates. He knows nothing about football but is an operator in this field for sure and will be driving this.

Sala was treated like a cash cow and still is. Goals = Money. We offered a regular safe flight but a serial dodgy dealer and Nantes owner caused his death. Would you risk putting £15m in banknotes to get delivered by an Uber to another country and across a sea in a crap plane? Od course not. But they did.

And tbh, I think we played the game but NW would have never have seen this outcome, this was McKay and Nantes fubar, the latter being beyond contempt and the formers owner as equally bent.

I'd like to see us sue and jail these pricks and give a part back to Sala's family and other deserving causes. As said,.it's complex, horrible but the only principles have been expressed by us.

And on top, I don't trust corrupt FIFA, who favoured Nantes and I don't trust CAS, as their in bed with FIFA.

And rightly so he was a Cardiff City player
Rest in Peace Emiliano

Spot on

Let’s all of us remember Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff City player RIP & at the end of the day a very sad & tragic story that has left a family devastated who must be hurting even more the longer this all goes on

IF only the boy had taken the flight he was offered!!!
Hindsight a wonderful thing.

Just so that I am totally clear here in respect to my opinion....

I agree with Annis 100%. Sala was, and always was, our player and it is correct and right that we pay FC Nantes the £15m we owe them - and I agree wholeheartedly with the CAS decision in that respect.

The issue I have is this...

If there is any connection between whoever organised that fateful flight and Nantes football club then we as a club can sue Nantes for (a) Loss of a £15m asset and (b) loss of revenue

If W.McKay or D.Henderson organised the flight on behalf of Nantes - then Nantes are vicariously liable for his actions - meaning we can sue Nantes.

But here is the thing, and a very big thing, If W.McKay son organised the fateful flight and he did so on behalf of CCFC then the same principal applies CCFC are vicariously liable for the actions of W.McKay son and the family of E.Sala could then technically sue CCFC for (a) his death (b) around 7 years loss of earnings as a professional footballer and (c) loss of future earnings and pension etc

So establishing who organised the flight here and whether they did so on behalf of Nantes (or CCFC) is in fact a very big issue.

Just so that I am totally clear here in respect to my opinion....

I agree with Annis 100%. Sala was, and always was, our player and it is correct and right that we pay FC Nantes the £15m we owe them - and I agree wholeheartedly with the CAS decision in that respect.

The issue I have is this...

If there is any connection between whoever organised that fateful flight and Nantes football club then we as a club can sue Nantes for (a) Loss of a £15m asset and (b) loss of revenue

If W.McKay or D.Henderson organised the flight on behalf of Nantes - then Nantes are vicariously liable for his actions - meaning we can sue Nantes.

But here is the thing, and a very big thing, If W.McKay son organised the fateful flight and he did so on behalf of CCFC then the same principal applies CCFC are vicariously liable for the actions of W.McKay son and the family of E.Sala could then technically sue CCFC for (a) his death (b) around 7 years loss of earnings as a professional footballer and (c) loss of future earnings and pension etc

So establishing who organised the flight here and whether they did so on behalf of Nantes (or CCFC) is in fact a very big issue.

Very clearly explained Paul.... could McKay have acted solely on behalf of ES? Because didn't city offer him a commercial flight but offer was turned down apparently... guess it will come out who arranged flight but if city offered commercial one? Surely its either nante or ES himself who asked McKay to arrange plane..

Just so that I am totally clear here in respect to my opinion....

I agree with Annis 100%. Sala was, and always was, our player and it is correct and right that we pay FC Nantes the £15m we owe them - and I agree wholeheartedly with the CAS decision in that respect.

The issue I have is this...

If there is any connection between whoever organised that fateful flight and Nantes football club then we as a club can sue Nantes for (a) Loss of a £15m asset and (b) loss of revenue

If W.McKay or D.Henderson organised the flight on behalf of Nantes - then Nantes are vicariously liable for his actions - meaning we can sue Nantes.

But here is the thing, and a very big thing, If W.McKay son organised the fateful flight and he did so on behalf of CCFC then the same principal applies CCFC are vicariously liable for the actions of W.McKay son and the family of E.Sala could then technically sue CCFC for (a) his death (b) around 7 years loss of earnings as a professional footballer and (c) loss of future earnings and pension etc

So establishing who organised the flight here and whether they did so on behalf of Nantes (or CCFC) is in fact a very big issue.

The club statement says they will ultimately sue Nantes and its agents who caused the crash. That suggests that Cardiff didn't instruct McKay to arrange the flight and so Nantes couldn't sue us vicariously.

I'd still like to know more about the insurance. Some are saying we had none but I just can't see it, especially as the source is that Daya clown. Maybe the insurance won't pay out as it was an illegal flight and that's why we've had to put the money aside. I'm sure Sala would have had his own insurance too which maybe nullified for the same reason. Who knows? But it seems to me there's more to this than meets the eye otherwise we wouldn't have said we will go after Nantes and its agents.

The sad thing about all of this is that if Emiliano would have just used the regular flight we offered, the young man would be with us today.

IF and that's a big IF anything slightly good has come out of this it's that this sneaky grey area has been blown open so hopefully this tragedy doesn't happen again.
My question is why would City offer the boy a commercial flight and a private flight? Hence why my opinion is that someone outside City booked the fateful flight.

Guys if the flight was illegal, 99% sure it was, then no insurance company is going to pay out.

If so there is no money to chase.