Tue Jul 26, 2022 5:43 pm
Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:44 am
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:55 am
Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:08 am
1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:51 am
Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:55 am
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:01 am
Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:04 am
Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:11 am
dazza wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Promoted to the Premier league twice! What other owner has done that?
Yes he's made mistakes but I don't remember the club being on the brink of extinction under Tan? I remember it being less than a day away under Sam.
He's our owner and we are now finally living within our means.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:20 am
Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:01 am
Barclay1 wrote:Tan and his cronies gave up on us a number of years back.
Zero funds to build, not a penny in transfers, meddling, forcing the manager to play kids clearly not good enough.
Anyway, its all been said, sides have been taken, and I'm staying firmly of the view that Tan has been solely responsible for our quite dramatic fall from grace over the last few years.
All other opinions respected.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:43 am
Wed Jul 27, 2022 11:59 am
1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:01 pm
Large Arge wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Don’t be silly. That’s not how it works round these parts.
I’d bet my house if we finish this season well it’s all down to Morison and if we struggle it’s all Tan’s fault. Same as how it was Warnock who got us promoted and Tan who got us relegated.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:11 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Large Arge wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Don’t be silly. That’s not how it works round these parts.
I’d bet my house if we finish this season well it’s all down to Morison and if we struggle it’s all Tan’s fault. Same as how it was Warnock who got us promoted and Tan who got us relegated.
Well said, that’s exactly what happened
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:12 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Large Arge wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Don’t be silly. That’s not how it works round these parts.
I’d bet my house if we finish this season well it’s all down to Morison and if we struggle it’s all Tan’s fault. Same as how it was Warnock who got us promoted and Tan who got us relegated.
Well said, that’s exactly what happened
Tan came in when we were primed for the Premier. Malky got us there but I recall Tan saying it was his money that really got us there.
So if Tan wants to play that game then he should take the blame for us now fighting to stay out of League One. He can't have it both ways.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:19 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Large Arge wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Don’t be silly. That’s not how it works round these parts.
I’d bet my house if we finish this season well it’s all down to Morison and if we struggle it’s all Tan’s fault. Same as how it was Warnock who got us promoted and Tan who got us relegated.
Well said, that’s exactly what happened
Tan came in when we were primed for the Premier. Malky got us there but I recall Tan saying it was his money that really got us there.
So if Tan wants to play that game then he should take the blame for us now fighting to stay out of League One. He can't have it both ways.
Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:47 pm
wez1927 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Large Arge wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Barclay1 wrote:Very interesting indeed.
And yet some on here worship the ground on which him and his clowns walk.
Like him or not, without him we would have been fecked and no doubt taking the same path as some other clubs
We nearly did last season.
Tan has got us in this mess after 12 years of running our club he and his committee are totally responsible for what happens in and off the pitch.
Yes that's why we've had the best decade arguably in our history, well done tan and the committee. Seeing my team in its 1st league Cup final and 2 sesson in the top division the facts don't lie ,excellent ownership .
Highest ever debt , worst ever results in our history.
Both derby games our worst in our history.
Some of the worst results in over 100 years.
Lowest league position for 20 years
A despicable rebrand
12 years 11 managers
I could write a book this is just sadly a taster![]()
TAN OUT
Four of those are the fault of the players and the manager not Tan
Don’t be silly. That’s not how it works round these parts.
I’d bet my house if we finish this season well it’s all down to Morison and if we struggle it’s all Tan’s fault. Same as how it was Warnock who got us promoted and Tan who got us relegated.
Well said, that’s exactly what happened
Tan came in when we were primed for the Premier. Malky got us there but I recall Tan saying it was his money that really got us there.
So if Tan wants to play that game then he should take the blame for us now fighting to stay out of League One. He can't have it both ways.
After the play off Final and when we employed malky we had 7 1st team players so hardly primed ,malky with tans money bought well tbf to him
Wed Jul 27, 2022 9:27 pm
Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:13 am
Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Malky rebuilt our squad on a budget to get us to the playoffs and League Cup final in his first season, then Tan backed him in Malky's second season to take us up. Tan then let his ego ruin our first Premiership season. We were never in the relegation zone under Malky, but Tan let his personal dislike to Malky interfere and ruin our Premiership season.
I'm still waiting for this concrete evidence to come out justifying why Tan sacked Malky, but after all these years, things have gone quiet and it doesn't appear Tan has any evidence. Kim Bo-Kjung signing for Malky a second time at Wigan put a huge dent in Tan's claim that Malky was a racist and we haven't heard anything since.
It was speculated Malky started stopping Tan from coming into the dressing room before games, so he could prepare the team properly without interference. Maybe Tan couldn't handle Malky standing up to him and wanted a yes man instead? The real reason for the breakdown in relationship between Tan and Malky remains a mystery. Others say Malky was milking our club dry, but again, there's no evidence of this.
However, there seems to be evidence suggesting the other manager who took us to the Premiership was milking our club. Ridiculously long, big money contracts for players connected with his sons agency, but nobody dares to say anything about that. Maybe that's because that season we reached the Premiership the second time was an absolute miracle and probably no other manager could have done that. Maybe Tan knows that himself and he's decided to let things slide after embarrassing himself with Malky?
Yes, we have had some good moments under Tan and things could be far worse under a different owner, but I think Tan has been extremely lucky with those two Premiership seasons. If Tan didn't interfere, I strongly believe we would have stayed up in our first Premiership season. The majority of home games under Malky that season were against the top Premiership teams. The only teams we had left to play at home who finished in the top half of the Premiership that season after Malky's sacking, were Liverpool and Chelsea. Malky only had 2 home games against the teams towards the bottom and they were both wins against West Brom and Swansea.
If Tan didn't interfere and allowed Malky to continue, we may have stayed up and stabilised ourselves as a Premiership team for years. Unfortunately, Tan ruined any chance of that and we got relegated, giving us a future of cost cutting, struggles and poor quality football ever since.
Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:44 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Tonteg Bluebird wrote:Malky rebuilt our squad on a budget to get us to the playoffs and League Cup final in his first season, then Tan backed him in Malky's second season to take us up. Tan then let his ego ruin our first Premiership season. We were never in the relegation zone under Malky, but Tan let his personal dislike to Malky interfere and ruin our Premiership season.
I'm still waiting for this concrete evidence to come out justifying why Tan sacked Malky, but after all these years, things have gone quiet and it doesn't appear Tan has any evidence. Kim Bo-Kjung signing for Malky a second time at Wigan put a huge dent in Tan's claim that Malky was a racist and we haven't heard anything since.
It was speculated Malky started stopping Tan from coming into the dressing room before games, so he could prepare the team properly without interference. Maybe Tan couldn't handle Malky standing up to him and wanted a yes man instead? The real reason for the breakdown in relationship between Tan and Malky remains a mystery. Others say Malky was milking our club dry, but again, there's no evidence of this.
However, there seems to be evidence suggesting the other manager who took us to the Premiership was milking our club. Ridiculously long, big money contracts for players connected with his sons agency, but nobody dares to say anything about that. Maybe that's because that season we reached the Premiership the second time was an absolute miracle and probably no other manager could have done that. Maybe Tan knows that himself and he's decided to let things slide after embarrassing himself with Malky?
Yes, we have had some good moments under Tan and things could be far worse under a different owner, but I think Tan has been extremely lucky with those two Premiership seasons. If Tan didn't interfere, I strongly believe we would have stayed up in our first Premiership season. The majority of home games under Malky that season were against the top Premiership teams. The only teams we had left to play at home who finished in the top half of the Premiership that season after Malky's sacking, were Liverpool and Chelsea. Malky only had 2 home games against the teams towards the bottom and they were both wins against West Brom and Swansea.
If Tan didn't interfere and allowed Malky to continue, we may have stayed up and stabilised ourselves as a Premiership team for years. Unfortunately, Tan ruined any chance of that and we got relegated, giving us a future of cost cutting, struggles and poor quality football ever since.
Ross,
Very good post and I enjoyed a lot of what you have said.