Are our aniti-vaxers now pro Russia ?

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

What’s their arguments for supporting Russia out of curiosity?

The Pro-Russia lot are an odd bunch... "Nato are over-reaching", "Ukraine was a threat to Russia", "Ukrainians are nazis", "The press are manipulating the images and stories from Ukraine"... yada yada yada

All nonsense of course.

I guess the link to the anti-vax movement goes back to the US where pro-Trump MAGA lot (bizarrely it was Trump who commissioned the vaccine) see Putin as a friend and ally of Trump and Putin as an anti-woke strongman with ultra conservative (i would say hateful) views on gender, sex and race - which they share.

Honestly I can't see any other link between pro-russia and vanti-vaxers. But i could be wrong.

I am not sure they are pro Russia more sceptical of anything the mainstream media tells them.

and whilst Russia are very much in the wrong, NATO and the current US leadership are not totally innocent in this situation either!

I am not sure they are pro Russia more sceptical of anything the mainstream media tells them.

and whilst Russia are very much in the wrong, NATO and the current US leadership are not totally innocent in this situation either!

Anti-vaxxer alert...!

Only joking!

I think you make a great point and many of the group in the OP are actively looking to be on a bandwagon...

I am not sure they are pro Russia more sceptical of anything the mainstream media tells them.

and whilst Russia are very much in the wrong, NATO and the current US leadership are not totally innocent in this situation either!

Anti-vaxxer alert...!

Only joking!

I think you make a great point and many of the group in the OP are actively looking to be on a bandwagon...

I think people too often assume the side on one extreme side are the good guys and the other extreme side are the bad guys. All I see is two extreme's and the actual truth is closer to those in the middle, questioning everyone and everything. I think Putin is an evil man but I see the failings on the NATO side and how they have got it badly wrong.

I am not sure they are pro Russia more sceptical of anything the mainstream media tells them.

and whilst Russia are very much in the wrong, NATO and the current US leadership are not totally innocent in this situation either!

These Anti-vaxers would do well to remember where they live and who protects their views. The bottom line is all sides express self interests in the form of propaganda but then you decide who's side your on. I support my country in their support for Ukraine.

I am not sure they are pro Russia more sceptical of anything the mainstream media tells them.

and whilst Russia are very much in the wrong, NATO and the current US leadership are not totally innocent in this situation either!

Good post, I think that's mainly it!

I have a mate, he went heavily into the antivax stuff, every day nonsense texts that he got from his antivax twitter pals and they formed a whatsapp group to spread as much antivax propaganda as possible. I think they've run out of news and he's getting fed pro Russian stuff, and he's slowly starting to say things like that Zalenskyy is really bad mind he's done terrible things and is moving to a pro Russia anti Ukraine stance.

Another month of drip feeding and he'll be fully in again with the beliefs of the anti mainstream media, and anti establishment mob. He's changed as well he's not happy and very wound up and angry all the time, some of this stuff is very dark and is going to affect a lot of people long term.

What’s their arguments for supporting Russia out of curiosity?

As above fro other posters, mostly NATO have pushed them to do it, and Zalenskyy's government have been mistreating the Russians in the Donbass region, and then a lot of personal stuff about Zalenskky. They also say America wouldn't allow missiles alongside the US and that the Russians saved us in the WAR and helped us in Syria.

They've made matters worse as Sweden, Finland and others want to join NATO right along his border.

Russian troops have raped/murdered women and children. Raised Cities and Towns to the ground. Did they really need to do this? Shipped thousands of people off to Russia. They are now talking about concentration camps, re-educating and sterilisation.
The Russians have and always will be MAD.

I always assumed the source was the same

However biased you believe the MSM is at least you know where the slant comes from, whether that is a Fox or CNN.

However, you have no idea how where the source comes from on these internet-delivered posts.

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

Hahahaha, what a load of bull

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

Here he/she/it goes again. For the record Bluebina, please would you define "your" definition of an aniti-vaxer?

Thanks in advance.

As has been said before, there are none so blind that will not see.

The latest Pfizer document drop (80,000 documents which they tried to withhold) clearly shows they-and Governments knew the injections were dangerous and not properly tested. Not tested on pregnant women. Tested on rats and the trials cut short.

Lots of foetal deaths and other problems now recorded.

I will come back and post a link when I am able.

And another 'rare' death.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -told.html

Most anti vaxxers I see on media are pro trump, pro russia they get their info from the same sources.
Brainwashed.
Dividing democracy now for years.

Search far back enough and you will find its funded and from the same group.

They are right of course!! - and the democratic/labour rest are peado, woke, lefty, controlling, jewish nazis!!!

A work colleague has turned nuts in 2 years with it all. Everything a conspiracy, even defends the super rich not paying tax (while his misses claims off the fuckin state!) ... He knows all about Biden and hillary Clinton , when I asked the name of his local MP, he didnt fckin know!!! Still spouting his hate bile shite all over FB though...

Go and have a cup of tea, breathe and smell the air you mental cnut!!

Russian troops have raped/murdered women and children. Raised Cities and Towns to the ground. Did they really need to do this? Shipped thousands of people off to Russia. They are now talking about concentration camps, re-educating and sterilisation.
The Russians have and always will be MAD.

Where's your evidence for this?
I follow some Russians on Telegram they say the Bucha mascare was lies that the western anti Russian MSM pounced upon. They say that when Russia invaded the North, they gave friendly civilians white arm bands to wear, when the Ukrainians retook Bucha, they began killing anyone with a white arm band on. For colluding with the enemy. Who knows the truth, the Main Stream media is clearly controlled though. just look how they MSM buried the Ghislane Maxwell global peadophile ring courtcase, Maxwell and Epstein were black mailing the rich and powerful for Isreal feeding the elites with underage girls then eliciting favours for Isreals benefit. I don't know what's going on with Ukraine, i do know the mainstream media is bollux. Look how the Asian grooming gang story have been burried. It's still going on. Courtcases happening all the time, rarely any MSM coverage. It's a disgrace

As has been said before, there are none so blind that will not see.

The latest Pfizer document drop (80,000 documents which they tried to withhold) clearly shows they-and Governments knew the injections were dangerous and not properly tested. Not tested on pregnant women. Tested on rats and the trials cut short.

Lots of foetal deaths and other problems now recorded.

I will come back and post a link when I am able.

And another 'rare' death.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -told.html

And this is why i refused the vaccine. On the grounds that it was rushed through, without long term tails.

Russian troops have raped/murdered women and children. Raised Cities and Towns to the ground. Did they really need to do this? Shipped thousands of people off to Russia. They are now talking about concentration camps, re-educating and sterilisation.
The Russians have and always will be MAD.

Where's your evidence for this?
I follow some Russians on Telegram they say the Bucha mascare was lies that the western anti Russian MSM pounced upon. They say that when Russia invaded the North, they gave friendly civilians white arm bands to wear, when the Ukrainians retook Bucha, they began killing anyone with a white arm band on. For colluding with the enemy. Who knows the truth, the Main Stream media is clearly controlled though. just look how they MSM buried the Ghislane Maxwell global peadophile ring courtcase, Maxwell and Epstein were black mailing the rich and powerful for Isreal feeding the elites with underage girls then eliciting favours for Isreals benefit. I don't know what's going on with Ukraine, i do know the mainstream media is bollux. Look how the Asian grooming gang story have been burried. It's still going on. Courtcases happening all the time, rarely any MSM coverage. It's a disgrace

So you believe Russians watching Russian state media about Russia will have an informed and unbiased view of the situation whilst across the rest of the world all the other countries have biased and lying news reports?

Hello Arg i'm saying that our media memory hole any inconvenient truths. They make stories disappear, like the ones mentioned above. Two sides to every story.

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

Here he/she/it goes again. For the record Bluebina, please would you define "your" definition of an aniti-vaxer?

Thanks in advance.

My definition is as above, people who are pro actively trying to discourage people from having the vaccine, constantly posting obscure clips they've found from strange sites on facebook, twitter and sending them to their friends trying to discourage them on whattsapp. A good example is that undertaker bloke who people on here previously provided links for.

Not people who just don't trust the vaccines for whatever reason and don't have one, it's perfectly sensible to do your own risk assessment and make your own decision.

One reason why many people who did not take the 'vaccine' are pro-Russia may have to do with the information they have consulted. Most people took the 'vaccine' without doing any research; they trusted the government and its advisers for some unfathomable reason. Myself and many others did lots of research; I mean many, many hours. We consulted many experts who warned that the 'vaccines' weren't really vaccines (in the sense that they do not inoculate against disease) and they were experimental. In other words, no one really knew what the side effects would be. Most of these people are not against vaccines in principle, but were against this particular 'vaccine'. Having seen masses of research that shows how bad the side effects of the jabs have been; I am so glad that I didn't take it. I am nearly seventy years old, have smoked most of my life but Covid affected me less than the 'flu. So I feel that my decision has been justified.

People who believe our own propaganda about the Ukraine have not usually done any research of their own. When Russia invaded I knew very little about the Ukraine, so rather than listen to the mainstream media I did hundreds of hours of research. I explored the history of the Ukraine since the 17th century, but focussed mainly on the 20th century, World War 2,Ukrainian collaboration with the NAZIS, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Maidan Coup of 2014/15, the Bandera movement, the growth of NAZISM in the Ukraine, The neo-Nazi AZOV (and other) military groups, the breakaway republics in the Donbass and the killing of more than 14,000 Russian speaking civilians in the breakaway republics by Ukrainian forces over the past 8 years (yes this war started 8 years ago). I studied the emergence of Nazism as a force in the Ukraine government, the US (Biden/Obama) involvement, the appointment of the comedian/actor Zelensky, the Eastward expansion of NATO and a detailed analysis of the conflict as it has developed - through the works of Scott Ritter, Jacob Dreizin, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Patrick Lancaster and others. This has involved me in literally hundreds of research hours. It has become clear to me that the right wing Ukrainian militias (including AZOV) have committed war crimes and I hope that they will be put on trial and receive the punishment they deserve.

'Anti-vaxxers' and those who understand why the Russians had to invade (to protect fellow Russians and ensure their own security) have one thing in common: they did their own extensive research and didn't listen to the BS being peddled by the MSM. They also have the courage to express a view that will guarantee them abuse from others.

Of course, most of you who are committed to the ridiculous Putin is mad, all Russians bad narrative will not want their delusions shattered. But if you have the courage, if the brainwashing has not quite worked on you, pm me and I will send you links to back up everything I have said.

One reason why many people who did not take the 'vaccine' are pro-Russia may have to do with the information they have consulted. Most people took the 'vaccine' without doing any research; they trusted the government and its advisers for some unfathomable reason. Myself and many others did lots of research; I mean many, many hours. We consulted many experts who warned that the 'vaccines' weren't really vaccines (in the sense that they do not inoculate against disease) and they were experimental. In other words, no one really knew what the side effects would be. Most of these people are not against vaccines in principle, but were against this particular 'vaccine'. Having seen masses of research that shows how bad the side effects of the jabs have been; I am so glad that I didn't take it. I am nearly seventy years old, have smoked most of my life but Covid affected me less than the 'flu. So I feel that my decision has been justified.

People who believe our own propaganda about the Ukraine have not usually done any research of their own. When Russia invaded I knew very little about the Ukraine, so rather than listen to the mainstream media I did hundreds of hours of research. I explored the history of the Ukraine since the 17th century, but focussed mainly on the 20th century, World War 2,Ukrainian collaboration with the NAZIS, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Maidan Coup of 2014/15, the Bandera movement, the growth of NAZISM in the Ukraine, The neo-Nazi AZOV (and other) military groups, the breakaway republics in the Donbass and the killing of more than 14,000 Russian speaking civilians in the breakaway republics by Ukrainian forces over the past 8 years (yes this war started 8 years ago). I studied the emergence of Nazism as a force in the Ukraine government, the US (Biden/Obama) involvement, the appointment of the comedian/actor Zelensky, the Eastward expansion of NATO and a detailed analysis of the conflict as it has developed - through the works of Scott Ritter, Jacob Dreizin, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Patrick Lancaster and others. This has involved me in literally hundreds of research hours. It has become clear to me that the right wing Ukrainian militias (including AZOV) have committed war crimes and I hope that they will be put on trial and receive the punishment they deserve.

'Anti-vaxxers' and those who understand why the Russians had to invade (to protect fellow Russians and ensure their own security) have one thing in common: they did their own extensive research and didn't listen to the BS being peddled by the MSM. They also have the courage to express a view that will guarantee them abuse from others.

Of course, most of you who are committed to the ridiculous Putin is mad, all Russians bad narrative will not want their delusions shattered. But if you have the courage, if the brainwashing has not quite worked on you, pm me and I will send you links to back up everything I have said.

Why message the links privately? Might as well put your hundreds of hours of research up for everyone to see.

I suppose the initial question should have been:
' Are there any anti-covid vaxxers that disagree with the Russian treatment of Ukraine?'

We appear to have gone down the road of suggesting that the MSM have got it all wrong and that you need to spend many hours to learn the truth about both the evil covid vaccines and those naughty Ukraine people.

If you have so much faith in the MSM you've been fed. Explain Why the Maxwell trail, involving the elites sex trafficking kids has had very little coverage yet the johnny depp trail is all over the news. They are distracting people. After years of the internet, i can't believe some people still believe the bullshit on mainstream news

Anyone remember when the MSM said that the ayatollah was Sam Hammam's secret code to the hooligan "interfadas" in the crowd

The rest of Britain would have believed that, just because the news told them

The Pro-Russia lot are an odd bunch... "Nato are over-reaching", "Ukraine was a threat to Russia", "Ukrainians are nazis", "The press are manipulating the images and stories from Ukraine"... yada yada yada

All nonsense of course.

I guess the link to the anti-vax movement goes back to the US where pro-Trump MAGA lot (bizarrely it was Trump who commissioned the vaccine) see Putin as a friend and ally of Trump and Putin as an anti-woke strongman with ultra conservative (i would say hateful) views on gender, sex and race - which they share.

Honestly I can't see any other link between pro-russia and vanti-vaxers. But i could be wrong.

How come you Don't know about the Nazi battalions within the Ukrainian army? Is it because the MSM have omitted that detail? They'd rather focus on a pantomime depiction of Putin

I have a link for a 'highlight commentary' on the latest Pfizer document drop. This includes a link to the actual documents.

Frankly, if true, and I have no reason to doubt it's veracity, this is horrifying stuff. Extract:

'Far from being ‘safe and effective,’ Pfizer’s documents prove otherwise: the BioNTech Pfizer vaccine is perhaps the most ineffectual, dangerous ‘vaccine’ ever brought to market.

Besides slaughtering over 1,000 people in under a month, trials also produced hundreds of potentially fatal side effects, created fertility issues, and were only 12-15 per cent effective at preventing infection overall and subsequently dropped to less than 1 per cent — despite health officials claiming it would be over 90 per cent effective. They were lying.

However, this should come as no surprise as Project Veritas previously caught Pfizer scientists admitting that natural immunity is “probably better than vaccination.”'

https://thecountersignal.com/pfizer-doc ... ne-trials/

Suggest you listen to the Naomi Wolf section on the 'America's Voice link.'

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

Here he/she/it goes again. For the record Bluebina, please would you define "your" definition of an aniti-vaxer?

Thanks in advance.

My definition is as above, people who are pro actively trying to discourage people from having the vaccine, constantly posting obscure clips they've found from strange sites on facebook, twitter and sending them to their friends trying to discourage them on whattsapp. A good example is that undertaker bloke who people on here previously provided links for.

Not people who just don't trust the vaccines for whatever reason and don't have one, it's perfectly sensible to do your own risk assessment and make your own decision.

Thanks Bluebina for your response.

Fair enough, but why use the term, because by your own definition it is ambiguous. I suspect you use it in a derogatory way to malign anybody who has made a free will, educated choice that does not align with your personal view.

I have said all along that the truth will come out in the end. Have you taken the time to click and read/watch any of the links that C. Rombie-Coat has kindly placed on the forum, in this thread and many others? I suspect not, because if you had you would stop using the term anti-vaxer and start asking serious questions of what you were initially told by your own Government, "medical professionals" (I use that term loosely) and Pharma companies.

I also think that Borders Blue makes a very valid and salient point regarding the correlation between people who have decided the Covid vaccine is not for them and the current situation with Russia and Ukraine.

A lot of the twitter and facebook antivaxxers are now into defending Russia, it's odd I don't see the connection, except to find something to disagree with the majority view?

Here he/she/it goes again. For the record Bluebina, please would you define "your" definition of an aniti-vaxer?

Thanks in advance.

My definition is as above, people who are pro actively trying to discourage people from having the vaccine, constantly posting obscure clips they've found from strange sites on facebook, twitter and sending them to their friends trying to discourage them on whattsapp. A good example is that undertaker bloke who people on here previously provided links for.

Not people who just don't trust the vaccines for whatever reason and don't have one, it's perfectly sensible to do your own risk assessment and make your own decision.

Thanks Bluebina for your response.

Fair enough, but why use the term, because by your own definition it is ambiguous. I suspect you use it in a derogatory way to malign anybody who has made a free will, educated choice that does not align with your personal view.

I have said all along that the truth will come out in the end. Have you taken the time to click and read/watch any of the links that C. Rombie-Coat has kindly placed on the forum, in this thread and many others? I suspect not, because if you had you would stop using the term anti-vaxer and start asking serious questions of what you were initially told by your own Government, "medical professionals" (I use that term loosely) and Pharma companies.

I also think that Borders Blue makes a very valid and salient point regarding the correlation between people who have decided the Covid vaccine is not for them and the current situation with Russia and Ukraine.

No worries, without saying it I don't regard you, Ealing and most of the posters as anti-vaxxers, I've read your posts and understand t from your perspective. I use the term as I think it suits them, they are very anti vaccination and I thought they were slowing down our prospects for ending covid restrictions, and I was desperate for things to get back to normal.

I watched some of the links early on, but felt they were just trying to prove their views and were falsified to make the vaccine look much more dangerous than they really were. I was aware of the potential risks, and accepted that if you put a bit of covid in your arm (the spike protein) there was a chance there were going to be some side effects from covid, and I'm sure history will prove that be correct. I still felt that it was safer than catching Covd early on which will also prove to have many other issues like blood clots, and all of the other heart issues that the people who are against vaccines keep trying to prove that that was purely down to a vaccine and wouldn't have happened if people had been allowed to go out and catch covid instead. We obviously still have a difference of opinion here but that's fine and happens we all have our own opinions.

The last point is really interesting, and does show why people have different strong opinions, it really is starting to look like some people generally follow the main stream media, and some people take the opposite view to almost anything they put out?

One reason why many people who did not take the 'vaccine' are pro-Russia may have to do with the information they have consulted. Most people took the 'vaccine' without doing any research; they trusted the government and its advisers for some unfathomable reason. Myself and many others did lots of research; I mean many, many hours. We consulted many experts who warned that the 'vaccines' weren't really vaccines (in the sense that they do not inoculate against disease) and they were experimental. In other words, no one really knew what the side effects would be. Most of these people are not against vaccines in principle, but were against this particular 'vaccine'. Having seen masses of research that shows how bad the side effects of the jabs have been; I am so glad that I didn't take it. I am nearly seventy years old, have smoked most of my life but Covid affected me less than the 'flu. So I feel that my decision has been justified.

People who believe our own propaganda about the Ukraine have not usually done any research of their own. When Russia invaded I knew very little about the Ukraine, so rather than listen to the mainstream media I did hundreds of hours of research. I explored the history of the Ukraine since the 17th century, but focussed mainly on the 20th century, World War 2,Ukrainian collaboration with the NAZIS, the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Maidan Coup of 2014/15, the Bandera movement, the growth of NAZISM in the Ukraine, The neo-Nazi AZOV (and other) military groups, the breakaway republics in the Donbass and the killing of more than 14,000 Russian speaking civilians in the breakaway republics by Ukrainian forces over the past 8 years (yes this war started 8 years ago). I studied the emergence of Nazism as a force in the Ukraine government, the US (Biden/Obama) involvement, the appointment of the comedian/actor Zelensky, the Eastward expansion of NATO and a detailed analysis of the conflict as it has developed - through the works of Scott Ritter, Jacob Dreizin, Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Patrick Lancaster and others. This has involved me in literally hundreds of research hours. It has become clear to me that the right wing Ukrainian militias (including AZOV) have committed war crimes and I hope that they will be put on trial and receive the punishment they deserve.

'Anti-vaxxers' and those who understand why the Russians had to invade (to protect fellow Russians and ensure their own security) have one thing in common: they did their own extensive research and didn't listen to the BS being peddled by the MSM. They also have the courage to express a view that will guarantee them abuse from others.

Of course, most of you who are committed to the ridiculous Putin is mad, all Russians bad narrative will not want their delusions shattered. But if you have the courage, if the brainwashing has not quite worked on you, pm me and I will send you links to back up everything I have said.

I suppose the opposite view would be that you are being brainwashed by the Anti-vaxxer -anti-Ukrainers into believing the opposite of the mainstream media?