Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:38 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:41 am
Forever Blue wrote:Steve Morison has managed Cardiff City for 27 games.
Got to give Morison a chance this Sumner and don’t forget I can’t see any good managers wanting to work with NO money, low pay and a Committee above you absolutely clueless.
CHAMPIONSHIP:
PLAYED: 25
WON: 10![]()
LOST:10![]()
Scored: 33
Against: 34
Lost both local derby games: Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2Cardiff City 0 Swansea 4
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Scoring 2 goals conceding 7 goals
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FA CUP:
Played 2 W1 L1
Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:42 am
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Steve Morison has managed Cardiff City for 27 games.
Got to give Morison a chance this Sumner and don’t forget I can’t see any good managers wanting to work with NO money, low pay and a Committee above you absolutely clueless.
CHAMPIONSHIP:
PLAYED: 25
WON: 10![]()
LOST:10![]()
Scored: 33
Against: 34
Lost both local derby games: Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2Cardiff City 0 Swansea 4
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Scoring 2 goals conceding 7 goals
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FA CUP:
Played 2 W1 L1
We lost the 1st derby under mick ,average record but much better than other managers around 40% win percentage
Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:45 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:59 am
Forever Blue wrote:MY VIEW:
STEVE MORISON PLAY ALL THE PLAYERS THAT ARE STAYING / LETS SEE HOW GOOD THEY ARE![]()
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REMAINING CCFC MATCHES:
Sat Apr 9 Reading v Cardiff City
Fri Apr 15 Hull City A
Mon Apr 18 Luton Town H
Sat Apr 23 Sheffield United A
Tuesday 26th April Middlesborough A
Sat Apr 30 Birmingham City H
Sat May 7 Derby County A
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:01 am
piledriver64 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:MY VIEW:
STEVE MORISON PLAY ALL THE PLAYERS THAT ARE STAYING / LETS SEE HOW GOOD THEY ARE![]()
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REMAINING CCFC MATCHES:
Sat Apr 9 Reading v Cardiff City
Fri Apr 15 Hull City A
Mon Apr 18 Luton Town H
Sat Apr 23 Sheffield United A
Tuesday 26th April Middlesborough A
Sat Apr 30 Birmingham City H
Sat May 7 Derby County A
Agree. It's really important that Morison uses this last run of games to work out who has a future and who doesn't.
We may have to suffer some defeats on the back of that but it's much more important he uses the luxury of not having to look upwards or downwards to prepare us for next season.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:08 am
Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Steve Morison has managed Cardiff City for 27 games.
Got to give Morison a chance this Sumner and don’t forget I can’t see any good managers wanting to work with NO money, low pay and a Committee above you absolutely clueless.
CHAMPIONSHIP:
PLAYED: 25
WON: 10![]()
LOST:10![]()
Scored: 33
Against: 34
Lost both local derby games: Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2Cardiff City 0 Swansea 4
![]()
Scoring 2 goals conceding 7 goals
![]()
FA CUP:
Played 2 W1 L1
We lost the 1st derby under mick ,average record but much better than other managers around 40% win percentage
No we never we lost Bristol City away 3-2 under Morison.
Sat Jan 22 Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2![]()
Crowd 21,453 Away Support ( 2,240 )
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:14 am
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Steve Morison has managed Cardiff City for 27 games.
Got to give Morison a chance this Sumner and don’t forget I can’t see any good managers wanting to work with NO money, low pay and a Committee above you absolutely clueless.
CHAMPIONSHIP:
PLAYED: 25
WON: 10![]()
LOST:10![]()
Scored: 33
Against: 34
Lost both local derby games: Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2Cardiff City 0 Swansea 4
![]()
Scoring 2 goals conceding 7 goals
![]()
FA CUP:
Played 2 W1 L1
We lost the 1st derby under mick ,average record but much better than other managers around 40% win percentage
No we never we lost Bristol City away 3-2 under Morison.
Sat Jan 22 Bristol City 3 Cardiff City 2![]()
Crowd 21,453 Away Support ( 2,240 )
You edited your postbut anyway I think since Xmas apart from Saturdays result we have improved and I hope Morison buys well in the summer.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:24 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:47 am
mjw6150 wrote:Morison has done a superb job overall. I remember when he took over and the general consensus was it was going to be tough to avoid the drop. We pretty much finished the job of survival last month.
I am thoroughly impressed with the man and won't let one poor game change that. I am sure a young manager like SM will learn from that and I suspect certain players played themselves out of his plans in that game.
It will be interesting to see the difference in next seasons games, I suspect it will be a lot different.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:53 am
mjw6150 wrote:Morison has done a superb job overall. I remember when he took over and the general consensus was it was going to be tough to avoid the drop. We pretty much finished the job of survival last month.
I am thoroughly impressed with the man and won't let one poor game change that. I am sure a young manager like SM will learn from that and I suspect certain players played themselves out of his plans in that game.
It will be interesting to see the difference in next seasons games, I suspect it will be a lot different.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:55 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:55 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:05 am
GaerBlue wrote:We desperately need some actual Cardiff city fans helping with the decisions. All these businessmen and ex footballers think they know it all but are constantly underperforming in their jobs and it’s the fans that suffer. They get paid a huge amount to make these bad decisions too.
The team should never have been allowed to go to Dubai or whatever it was. They should h e been in most days, working on beating the jacks, Morrisons biggest game as a Cardiff manager.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:13 am
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:24 am
Bakedalasker wrote:mjw6150 wrote:Morison has done a superb job overall. I remember when he took over and the general consensus was it was going to be tough to avoid the drop. We pretty much finished the job of survival last month.
I am thoroughly impressed with the man and won't let one poor game change that. I am sure a young manager like SM will learn from that and I suspect certain players played themselves out of his plans in that game.
It will be interesting to see the difference in next seasons games, I suspect it will be a lot different.
What you got to take into account when Morison took over is he was told he needs to use the academy players only. If we would have stuck to that we would have gone down. It was only since we brought in the loans that we have recovered and saved the season.
As for MM when he started with us he had a good squad. Then he was left with a young squad and aging players for this season. We went on our worse run ever. Adding to that he had no connection with the fans. It was only time before he went.
As for SM he has done well. He had made us safe although mainly due ot the club allowing these loans in and he has connected with the fans which always goes down well. However credit has all gone because of what happened this weekend. its back to the starting line as you say.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:25 am
pipster wrote:The football seems to better than when McCarthy was in charge - but Morison's record is 50% by the looks of it. He still gets my support - as he is the best we have available. Next season will be make or break for him - he needs to work on how to get players playing for him I think.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:39 am
Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:We desperately need some actual Cardiff city fans helping with the decisions. All these businessmen and ex footballers think they know it all but are constantly underperforming in their jobs and it’s the fans that suffer. They get paid a huge amount to make these bad decisions too.
The team should never have been allowed to go to Dubai or whatever it was. They should h e been in most days, working on beating the jacks, Morrisons biggest game as a Cardiff manager.
Respectfully, and I've asked elsewhere, why no Dubai trip?![]()
The players had more game time off than the 'Jacks' and went off on an opportune moment to recharge the batteries
What if we'd won the game or simply avoided defeat and the ignomy of 'that' record?
Plenty of opportunity to get a 'game plan' together (we don't really change our shape) and I doubt it would have been brought up for any other game/result/situation and I see this as clutching at excuses that simply aren't there
"Because it was Swansea" is not a reason to deny the players a short break during a hectic season when there was genuine 'space' in the calendar to do so
The issue for the Swansea game lies with planning and attitudes and not a bit of Vitamin D
Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:12 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Reply:
Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:07 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Reply:
Don't agree on the "sign permanents" argument. Yes we will need to make some permanent signings but equally, if not more, important that we get good quality Prem players in on loan.
These are players we wouldn't normally get near as we couldn't afford them but so may clubs make these loans key parts of their recruitment plans in the Championship and use the loan market that we need to do the same.
Fulham have a couple of Prem loans, Bournemouth even have more than they are allowed in the match day squad !!
What is important is that we use the loans to add that quality, not to bolster the squad. Drameh, Doyle, Hugill are all first choice for us and that's exactly how it should work.
We haven't had bad loans in the past either: Ramsey, Bellamy, Chopra (in between spells), Koumas, O'Neill, Wilson, etc.
The loan market can be good, you just need to use it in the right way.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:14 pm
Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:26 pm
GaerBlue wrote:Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:We desperately need some actual Cardiff city fans helping with the decisions. All these businessmen and ex footballers think they know it all but are constantly underperforming in their jobs and it’s the fans that suffer. They get paid a huge amount to make these bad decisions too.
The team should never have been allowed to go to Dubai or whatever it was. They should h e been in most days, working on beating the jacks, Morrisons biggest game as a Cardiff manager.
Respectfully, and I've asked elsewhere, why no Dubai trip?![]()
The players had more game time off than the 'Jacks' and went off on an opportune moment to recharge the batteries
What if we'd won the game or simply avoided defeat and the ignomy of 'that' record?
Plenty of opportunity to get a 'game plan' together (we don't really change our shape) and I doubt it would have been brought up for any other game/result/situation and I see this as clutching at excuses that simply aren't there
"Because it was Swansea" is not a reason to deny the players a short break during a hectic season when there was genuine 'space' in the calendar to do so
The issue for the Swansea game lies with planning and attitudes and not a bit of Vitamin D
Firstly, we’ve had previous of being let down because players fancy a few drinks or a holiday instead. If I played for City and had 2 weeks to prepare for a game v the Jacks I wouldn’t be swanning off to Dubai for a piss up. I’d be in the at the training ground every day speaking to the coaching staff about different ideas of how we can get a result.
SM seemed to use the international call ups as an excuse to not take this game seriously. Despite having 7 players away on internationals, we could still have had the rest of the squad in. Once the fans knew they had been away the pressure was on them even more. If they had backed it up and got a result then fair enough but we got humiliated by a village down the road.
Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:54 pm
Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:We desperately need some actual Cardiff city fans helping with the decisions. All these businessmen and ex footballers think they know it all but are constantly underperforming in their jobs and it’s the fans that suffer. They get paid a huge amount to make these bad decisions too.
The team should never have been allowed to go to Dubai or whatever it was. They should h e been in most days, working on beating the jacks, Morrisons biggest game as a Cardiff manager.
Respectfully, and I've asked elsewhere, why no Dubai trip?![]()
The players had more game time off than the 'Jacks' and went off on an opportune moment to recharge the batteries
What if we'd won the game or simply avoided defeat and the ignomy of 'that' record?
Plenty of opportunity to get a 'game plan' together (we don't really change our shape) and I doubt it would have been brought up for any other game/result/situation and I see this as clutching at excuses that simply aren't there
Sven, in respect, we were beaten by Attitude. Our club has Not got the mindset to win games like this anymore, and the fact of the matter is, it never will while the current so called leadership is in place. We all know this , Attitude wins games,,,,, and unfortunately, our club is Gutless,,, from the very top, right through to the bottom!
"Because it was Swansea" is not a reason to deny the players a short break during a hectic season when there was genuine 'space' in the calendar to do so
The issue for the Swansea game lies with planning and attitudes and not a bit of Vitamin D
Firstly, we’ve had previous of being let down because players fancy a few drinks or a holiday instead. If I played for City and had 2 weeks to prepare for a game v the Jacks I wouldn’t be swanning off to Dubai for a piss up. I’d be in the at the training ground every day speaking to the coaching staff about different ideas of how we can get a result.
SM seemed to use the international call ups as an excuse to not take this game seriously. Despite having 7 players away on internationals, we could still have had the rest of the squad in. Once the fans knew they had been away the pressure was on them even more. If they had backed it up and got a result then fair enough but we got humiliated by a village down the road.
Do you not think a break might have been therapeutic after a tough run of games?
And what would you be saying, if we had won or avoided defeat?
City players have 'form'?
The obvious pre-match booze up prior to a play-off game under DJ's watch over 19 years ago apart, name me some examples...
I think you are ckutching at straws with your belief the Dubai trip (for a few players only) was responsible for this defeat
I certainly didn't see any lack of fitness amongst the playing staff on the day. It was simply about heart and over familiar tactics
Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:46 pm
Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:Sven wrote:GaerBlue wrote:We desperately need some actual Cardiff city fans helping with the decisions. All these businessmen and ex footballers think they know it all but are constantly underperforming in their jobs and it’s the fans that suffer. They get paid a huge amount to make these bad decisions too.
The team should never have been allowed to go to Dubai or whatever it was. They should h e been in most days, working on beating the jacks, Morrisons biggest game as a Cardiff manager.
Respectfully, and I've asked elsewhere, why no Dubai trip?![]()
The players had more game time off than the 'Jacks' and went off on an opportune moment to recharge the batteries
What if we'd won the game or simply avoided defeat and the ignomy of 'that' record?
Plenty of opportunity to get a 'game plan' together (we don't really change our shape) and I doubt it would have been brought up for any other game/result/situation and I see this as clutching at excuses that simply aren't there
"Because it was Swansea" is not a reason to deny the players a short break during a hectic season when there was genuine 'space' in the calendar to do so
The issue for the Swansea game lies with planning and attitudes and not a bit of Vitamin D
Firstly, we’ve had previous of being let down because players fancy a few drinks or a holiday instead. If I played for City and had 2 weeks to prepare for a game v the Jacks I wouldn’t be swanning off to Dubai for a piss up. I’d be in the at the training ground every day speaking to the coaching staff about different ideas of how we can get a result.
SM seemed to use the international call ups as an excuse to not take this game seriously. Despite having 7 players away on internationals, we could still have had the rest of the squad in. Once the fans knew they had been away the pressure was on them even more. If they had backed it up and got a result then fair enough but we got humiliated by a village down the road.
Do you not think a break might have been therapeutic after a tough run of games?
And what would you be saying, if we had won or avoided defeat?
City players have 'form' for boozing before 'big' games?
The obvious pre-match booze up prior to a play-off game under DJ's watch over 19 years ago apart, name me some examples...
I think you are clutching at straws with your belief the Dubai trip (for a few players only) was responsible for this defeat
I certainly didn't see any lack of fitness amongst the playing staff on the day. It was simply about heart and over familiar tactics
Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:50 pm
Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:19 am
nubbsy wrote:I thought you wanted him gone a few days ago now he has to be given a chance?
Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:39 am
Forever Blue wrote:nubbsy wrote:I thought you wanted him gone a few days ago now he has to be given a chance?
Jack ,
I said at the time my gut reaction after the game was get rid, I was fuming, I believe he should be given a chance, as we have no one else if you read, we have no money, I am optimistic NO.
We’re you not fuming over the next 48hrs?
I still don’t believe we will go anywhere under him.
Maybe you should read this:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=227034
Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:49 am
piledriver64 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:nubbsy wrote:I thought you wanted him gone a few days ago now he has to be given a chance?
Jack ,
I said at the time my gut reaction after the game was get rid, I was fuming, I believe he should be given a chance, as we have no one else if you read, we have no money, I am optimistic NO.
We’re you not fuming over the next 48hrs?
I still don’t believe we will go anywhere under him.
Maybe you should read this:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=227034
I absolutely don't blame you for your gut reactionI couldn't even come on here for a while on the weekend
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I'm still really annoyed with what I saw on Saturday.
However, for you to say on one hand "he should be given a chance" and then on the other say "I still don't believe we will go anywhere under him" is hedging your bets a bit which is very unlike you![]()
Basically it means if we give him time and he f*$"s up you can say "I told you we were going nowhere with him" and if he succeeds then you can say "I told you we should give him time"![]()
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More seriously, I will say that what Morison has done so far does confirm what I though from the moment he was rumoured to be in the running for the job (to be fair to you I think you were in the same camp), the club needs a new, top to bottom approach and now is the time to take a risk on a new, younger manager.
With a very limited budget in January he got in the type of quality that we haven't seen in a long time and we're now beginning to see how he wants to play in the future. So I'll nail my colours to the mast, I don't want any more managerial changes and I believe Morison can take us forward.
However, he has to learn that games against the Jacks and the Wurzels ARE more important than the others when you are a mid table team. They are only "3 point games" if we're challenging for promotion/play-offs or struggling against relegation. If we lose two games against the Jacks but get promoted who cares ? But he wasn't in that position on Saturday and needs to learn that very quickly.
I am more optimistic about the future but that's solely dependant on the transfer market. If we'd had a full season with Morison and the squad he assembled at the end of January then I firmly believe we would be in the top half talking about being on the fringes of the play-offs (I think the points per game back me up on that).
Let's hope that Saturday is as low as we get and it's all upwards (on and off the pitch) from now on. One thing's for sure, I don't think Morison or the players won't be up for the next derby as they won't have enjoyed the flak they're getting this week one bit![]()
Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:06 pm