Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:34 pm
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 12:52 pm
Sven wrote:Before I start, let's not demean the Swans win; it was certainly historic and certainly deserved on the day. It hurts me to say it but I try to be honest in my assessments and give credit where it is due (to the team but definitely not the scummy 'fans' who threw coins, vaping materials and other stuff into 117/118 injuring one innocent guy quite badly above his eye)
I understood the Merthyr flag; it is a halfway point between Cardiff and Swansea and it's easy for a certain element to swap their allegiances according to who is on top at any point. Sadly, it's the 'modern' way of society to 'bandwagon jump' and there was an element of that amongst our own support yesterday, who stuck out like sore thumbs in the seats that are usually empty
Some (not all) of those people spoiled it for the regulars with their anti-social antics and refusal to sit down when regulars (many with issues that meant they couldn't stand for 90 mins) couldn't see the game in large parts
Couldn't understand the 'Union Jack' though; a clear contradiction to their 'Hymns and Arias' rendition but hey, let's not accuse the 'Jack' support of thinking things through, eh?
This was a strange game and a strange atmosphere for what many believe to be a 'big' game. I never felt our support was really 'up' for it; a trait I have mentioned on here before now
On the way down, in the pub and entering the stadium, I didn't feel the 'usual' atmosphere for a game against the team who (falsely from my point of view but maybe not theirs) see this as their 'game of the season'
From my perspective, I think Steve Morison mis-judged the opposition and I was massively disappointed with the telegraphing of our now usual 'defensive' format in pre-match interviews and the non-inclusion of Rubin Colwill from the start
My hope was that we would set up in a more physical nature from the start with a view to putting their very lightweight and fallible defence and keeper under pressure
We simply didn't need three centre backs to handle their lightweight attack; we needed players who could run with them and stop them at source rather than being left stranded and unable to catch up once they went past. To that end I think Will Vaulks would have been an intimidating inclusion to the team from the start
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I will state that Swansea are/were no better than us as a side but the early goal certainly didn't help us and we seemed to fail in any meaningful reaction to what was a 'typically Bluebird' goal to concede
They won the game (or was it their World Cup Final?) fair and square and in the process a merely statistical 'first double' from either side
As much as it seems to have affected some usually level headed thinkers, it is not the end of the world and our day will come again
With a massive rebuild to come, it's not the time to be slating/abandoning our club. We now have more important things to concern ourselves with going forward and that's where our focus should be
We played, we lost, we move on to the next game/phase...![]()
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:00 pm
Sven wrote:Before I start, let's not demean the Swans win; it was certainly historic and certainly deserved on the day. It hurts me to say it but I try to be honest in my assessments and give credit where it is due (to the team but definitely not the scummy 'fans' who threw coins, vaping materials and other stuff into 117/118 injuring one innocent guy quite badly above his eye)
I understood the Merthyr flag; it is a halfway point between Cardiff and Swansea and it's easy for a certain element to swap their allegiances according to who is on top at any point. Sadly, it's the 'modern' way of society to 'bandwagon jump' and there was an element of that amongst our own support yesterday, who stuck out like sore thumbs in the seats that are usually empty
Some (not all) of those people spoiled it for the regulars with their anti-social antics and refusal to sit down when regulars (many with issues that meant they couldn't stand for 90 mins) couldn't see the game in large parts
Couldn't understand the 'Union Jack' though; a clear contradiction to their 'Hymns and Arias' rendition but hey, let's not accuse the 'Jack' support of thinking things through, eh?
This was a strange game and a strange atmosphere for what many believe to be a 'big' game. I never felt our support was really 'up' for it; a trait I have mentioned on here before now
On the way down, in the pub and entering the stadium, I didn't feel the 'usual' atmosphere for a game against the team who (falsely from my point of view but maybe not theirs) see this as their 'game of the season'
From my perspective, I think Steve Morison mis-judged the opposition and I was massively disappointed with the telegraphing of our now usual 'defensive' format in pre-match interviews and the non-inclusion of Rubin Colwill from the start
My hope was that we would set up in a more physical nature from the start with a view to putting their very lightweight and fallible defence and keeper under pressure
We simply didn't need three centre backs to handle their lightweight attack; we needed players who could run with them and stop them at source rather than being left stranded and unable to catch up once they went past. To that end I think Will Vaulks would have been an intimidating inclusion to the team from the start
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I will state that Swansea are/were no better than us as a side but the early goal certainly didn't help us and we seemed to fail in any meaningful reaction to what was a 'typically Bluebird' goal to concede
They won the game (or was it their World Cup Final?) fair and square and in the process a merely statistical 'first double' from either side
As much as it seems to have affected some usually level headed thinkers, it is not the end of the world and our day will come again
With a massive rebuild to come, it's not the time to be slating/abandoning our club. We now have more important things to concern ourselves with going forward and that's where our focus should be
We played, we lost, we move on to the next game/phase...![]()
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:37 pm
Sven wrote:Before I start, let's not demean the Swans win; it was certainly historic and certainly deserved on the day. It hurts me to say it but I try to be honest in my assessments and give credit where it is due (to the team but definitely not the scummy 'fans' who threw coins, vaping materials and other stuff into 117/118 injuring one innocent guy quite badly above his eye)
I understood the Merthyr flag; it is a halfway point between Cardiff and Swansea and it's easy for a certain element to swap their allegiances according to who is on top at any point. Sadly, it's the 'modern' way of society to 'bandwagon jump' and there was an element of that amongst our own support yesterday, who stuck out like sore thumbs in the seats that are usually empty
Some (not all) of those people spoiled it for the regulars with their anti-social antics and refusal to sit down when regulars (many with issues that meant they couldn't stand for 90 mins) couldn't see the game in large parts
Couldn't understand the 'Union Jack' though; a clear contradiction to their 'Hymns and Arias' rendition but hey, let's not accuse the 'Jack' support of thinking things through, eh?
This was a strange game and a strange atmosphere for what many believe to be a 'big' game. I never felt our support was really 'up' for it; a trait I have mentioned on here before now
On the way down, in the pub and entering the stadium, I didn't feel the 'usual' atmosphere for a game against the team who (falsely from my point of view but maybe not theirs) see this as their 'game of the season'
From my perspective, I think Steve Morison mis-judged the opposition and I was massively disappointed with the telegraphing of our now usual 'defensive' format in pre-match interviews and the non-inclusion of Rubin Colwill from the start
My hope was that we would set up in a more physical nature from the start with a view to putting their very lightweight and fallible defence and keeper under pressure
We simply didn't need three centre backs to handle their lightweight attack; we needed players who could run with them and stop them at source rather than being left stranded and unable to catch up once they went past. To that end I think Will Vaulks would have been an intimidating inclusion to the team from the start
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I will state that Swansea are/were no better than us as a side but the early goal certainly didn't help us and we seemed to fail in any meaningful reaction to what was a 'typically Bluebird' goal to concede
They won the game (or was it their World Cup Final?) fair and square and in the process a merely statistical 'first double' from either side
As much as it seems to have affected some usually level headed thinkers, it is not the end of the world and our day will come again
With a massive rebuild to come, it's not the time to be slating/abandoning our club. We now have more important things to concern ourselves with going forward and that's where our focus should be
We played, we lost, we move on to the next game/phase...![]()
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 2:13 pm
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 3:20 pm
castleblue wrote:As always Chris a considered view on the game but from my experience yesterday my mind hasn't really changed and I feel our club has become a shit show.
My day started badly as when I arrived at the ground I looked for a parking spot which experience has taught me offers the quickest route out of the ground after the match. It was around 1pm when I arrived and where there would normally be about a dozen available spaces was one. As I was parking I noticed 2 "Security Staff" approaching my car and they told me you can't park there mate. Why I asked. It's because we've been told we must make sure ALL cars go to the far area of the car park. I asked why ALL the other cars parked were allowed but I have to move but they maintained the you have to move mate. So I pointed out mar stadium car parking ticket, that was missing off around 30 cars in the area, and tried to explain the pass provided a guaranteed space up to 30 minutes to kick off. So I locked the car and walked away and one of them followed me giving me more of the same. Not a positive start.
Now I decided to take in a subway, which was excellent, then decided I would give Ladbrokes a quick visit and placed a nice little win double where the first horse won at 8/1 so over to the horse I went in to back. This horse managed to find a way to finish a neck second from a position of what looked like certain victory 100 yards out. This did nothing to improve my mood.
So over to the ground to find big queues at the turnstiles and more of the stasi telling me to open my jacket, trust me I'm standing there holding my jacket open. There was clearly an issue with at least 2 of the turnstiles as the queue was not moving but the stasi was more interested in asking me to open my jacket. I got fed up and moved up the queue and in one turnstile some guy was trying a stadium card which was show red on the lights, clearly not valid, in the other a guy had a digital ticket but no NFC on his phone so the turnstile could'nt read it. There were 5 stasi there but they were only interested in open jackets and searching bags.
The guy with the card showing red was trying to enter the wrong area of the ground so I pointed him to the canton, another guy who is there every game advised the guy with the digital tickets to go to the ticket office and get them printed off.
Why does it take fans to deal with minor issues like that? For me it's the culture within our club and fans are treated like mug punters and that's the shit show.
When I saw the line up I was disappointed with no Colwill but not really surprised as SM sees the Doyle / Colwill as an either or and I think it should be both. For me it should have been Colwill for Harris and we didn't need 3 CB's. For me the way we set up was wrong on so many levels and did contribute massively to the defeat. In Colwill we have the best "Home" produced player since Ramsey and I think if he was a Swansea player he would be starting. SM needs to get his head around how to use him.
No argument with the result, the best team won, but the nature of it was unacceptable for me and SM needs to understand on his watch Cardiff suffered the biggest home defeat in the history of this fixture. This result WILL not be easily forgotten and blaming the players Really?
Anyway for the first time in nearly 60 years I walked early and my parking spot worked perfectly for a quick release and I was at home in Caerphilly at 5.12pm. Overall a day best forgotten.
As for the club it needs to sort things out as the club is nothing without the fans but for me we are just considered "Mug Punters" who will come back next game. Well some will but a lot that were there yesterday won't.
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Sun Apr 03, 2022 4:38 pm
Sven wrote:castleblue wrote:As always Chris a considered view on the game but from my experience yesterday my mind hasn't really changed and I feel our club has become a shit show.
My day started badly as when I arrived at the ground I looked for a parking spot which experience has taught me offers the quickest route out of the ground after the match. It was around 1pm when I arrived and where there would normally be about a dozen available spaces was one. As I was parking I noticed 2 "Security Staff" approaching my car and they told me you can't park there mate. Why I asked. It's because we've been told we must make sure ALL cars go to the far area of the car park. I asked why ALL the other cars parked were allowed but I have to move but they maintained the you have to move mate. So I pointed out mar stadium car parking ticket, that was missing off around 30 cars in the area, and tried to explain the pass provided a guaranteed space up to 30 minutes to kick off. So I locked the car and walked away and one of them followed me giving me more of the same. Not a positive start.
Now I decided to take in a subway, which was excellent, then decided I would give Ladbrokes a quick visit and placed a nice little win double where the first horse won at 8/1 so over to the horse I went in to back. This horse managed to find a way to finish a neck second from a position of what looked like certain victory 100 yards out. This did nothing to improve my mood.
So over to the ground to find big queues at the turnstiles and more of the stasi telling me to open my jacket, trust me I'm standing there holding my jacket open. There was clearly an issue with at least 2 of the turnstiles as the queue was not moving but the stasi was more interested in asking me to open my jacket. I got fed up and moved up the queue and in one turnstile some guy was trying a stadium card which was show red on the lights, clearly not valid, in the other a guy had a digital ticket but no NFC on his phone so the turnstile could'nt read it. There were 5 stasi there but they were only interested in open jackets and searching bags.
The guy with the card showing red was trying to enter the wrong area of the ground so I pointed him to the canton, another guy who is there every game advised the guy with the digital tickets to go to the ticket office and get them printed off.
Why does it take fans to deal with minor issues like that? For me it's the culture within our club and fans are treated like mug punters and that's the shit show.
When I saw the line up I was disappointed with no Colwill but not really surprised as SM sees the Doyle / Colwill as an either or and I think it should be both. For me it should have been Colwill for Harris and we didn't need 3 CB's. For me the way we set up was wrong on so many levels and did contribute massively to the defeat. In Colwill we have the best "Home" produced player since Ramsey and I think if he was a Swansea player he would be starting. SM needs to get his head around how to use him.
No argument with the result, the best team won, but the nature of it was unacceptable for me and SM needs to understand on his watch Cardiff suffered the biggest home defeat in the history of this fixture. This result WILL not be easily forgotten and blaming the players Really?
Anyway for the first time in nearly 60 years I walked early and my parking spot worked perfectly for a quick release and I was at home in Caerphilly at 5.12pm. Overall a day best forgotten.
As for the club it needs to sort things out as the club is nothing without the fans but for me we are just considered "Mug Punters" who will come back next game. Well some will but a lot that were there yesterday won't.
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A great, if not so happy post from you again Garry and I feel your ire after a day like that!![]()
The mainly good stewarding is often 'hit-and--miss' with certain elements at our own on a mission. I've witnessed it at our own and other stadiums and the term 'Stasi' is certainly one I have heard before when those amongst them who have no other 'control outlet' in life are able to suddenly become 'the big I am' and push people around. Sometimes it is needed but all too often a little humanity and understanding of the situation/rules will see the situation resolved in a more friendly manner
Totally agree on the Colwill situation and I have stated it on here before. But I keep hearing stories from reliable people that Steve Morison is quite dismissive of Rubin Colwill almost to the point (or maybe at) disrespect
Am I surprised?
Simply, no, as I have also heard that the manager can be an unforgiving character; some might say 'bully' where the youngsters are concerned and whilst I am old-fashionedly in favour of a bit of 'tough live', if it came to the point of supporting Steve Morison or Rubin Colwill (agree he is our best product since Rambo) it will be a no-brainer in Rubin's favour
I'm hearing the once highly rated (some say more than Rubin) Sam Bowen has fallen victim to the wrath of Morison, too; although I also understand Sam has not helped himself attitude-wise
For me, both players are far too good to lose from a young squad and common ground needs to be sought before the club once again lose out on obvious talent
For me, to some extent, the game itself was lost before kick off when the Swans did their homework with better marks than our lot. Steve Morison missed a trick not playing Vaulks and Uche from the start and we paid an early price when we allowed the Swans to 'boss' the game and walk through to that early first goal
As for the 'club' overall, that is a debate I may start later; but it does seem that our club have totally detached themselves from the supporters and that 'disinterest' may have rubbed off on management and players, which then transmits to supporters
We have a golden opportunity to 're-set' this summer and if Steve Morison can have a good clear out and be allowed to bring in decent replacements, we may well have a positive future
For the last few games, using only players who who are likely to be here next season would be a novel idea, as it might see who is and who isn't going to be worth keeping of the contracted players
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