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‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Cardiff City have settled their legal row with former owner Sam Hammam in what has to be seen as a significant boost for Wales' capital City club.


Monday 15th March 2022

By Paul Abbandonato

Hammam and Bluebirds owner Vincent Tan have agreed an out of court settlement which means the two colourful businessmen avoid going into the witness box to throw criticism at one another, a move which would have seen Cardiff's name dragged through the mud.


A brief statement issued today confirmed two parties have struck agreement They are each said to be happy with the outcome.

Despite the litigation action he launched, Hammam still retains a strong love for the club he owned between 2000-2006. He kick-started the Bluebirds' success story this century as they rose from the doldrums of League Two.

Hammam was suing for £15m in a row over the terms of the Cardiff Presidency he was given by Tan nine years ago as a goodwill gesture whilst ending the historic and controversial £24million Langston loan notes debt.


The exact terms of the out of court figure are undisclosed, although our understanding is that the figure is towards the lower end of the scale.


Under the agreement just announced, Hammam will lose the Presidency and any involvement with the Bluebirds.



A statement issued on Monday afternoon read: "Cardiff City Football Club and Sam Hammam have settled their dispute on confidential terms bringing an end to the Court proceedings between them. Mr Hammam has now officially stepped down as the club’s Life President.”

The somewhat surprise, but most welcome development comes after painstaking work carried out behind the scenes by City chairman Mehmet Dalman and the club's solicitor Chris Nott, of Cardiff-based firm Capital Law.

They are also working on two other legal matters, one involving Nantes over the Emiliano Sala transfer which has been heard by the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland, and the other centred around a share issue dispute with ex-director Michael Isaac.
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Re: Sam and Tan settle out of court

Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:21 pm

Hopefully puts the Sam hamman argument to bed and we can move on .

Re: Sam and Tan settle out of court

Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:24 pm

Great News:


I have always said Tan would settle outside court once again :thumbright: :bluebird:

Good news as club saved on court costs and the final outstanding monies now once again agreed to be paid.


If Tan finally pays this time then the saving on court costs are enormous.

And hopefully that is it finally.


The fact that the case was settled out of court showed the strong position Sam had and that Tan did not have confidence to win in a court of law.

The positive is for a Cardiff fan, is that the settlement has been agreed out of court, saving the clubs £mills in further costs.
So the Sam financial legacy is now finally finished.


Now their will be No excuses about money for players next season as:


Tan will beat Michael Isaac as I have always said.

Plus Dalman has stated the money for EMILIANO SALA has always been put aside.

Re: Sam and Tan settle out of court

Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:25 pm

Any update on the other court case with MI?

Re: Sam and Tan settle out of court

Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:28 pm

wez1927 wrote:Hopefully puts the Sam hamman argument to bed and we can move on .



Yes that would be great Wez :thumbright:

Both parties are very happy.


And hopefully some of the Committee are moved on this Summer :lol:


As to Dalman doing a lot of work :lol: that will him Speaking to his mate Paul.

It was simple the money owed was finally agreed with No extra costs or court costs .

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:12 pm

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Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:24 pm

Good news for everyone and finally.

As said above, just hope that Tan pays and the whole matter is done.

Sounds like the Isaacs case is quite straightforward and Tan will probably win, but the worry is still about the Sala case at CAS.

When and if we lose the Sala case, I won't be surprised if we are told by the board that this means we won't he spending money on improving the squad - despite Dalman saying the money has been put aside and Tan saying Morison will have money to spend on new players.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:10 pm

Sam started the rise in our fortunes - no doubt about that. But he became bitter in recent years towards Tan and his regime. Good for all that Sam and Tan’s differences have seemingly been settled fairly without either side losing face.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:16 pm

wez1927 wrote:..... our understanding is that the figure is towards the lower end of the scale.

Hammam will lose the Presidency and any involvement with the Bluebirds.


Seems we may have saved much more than just court costs. Although depends how big the scale was.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:22 pm

Thank god that knob is no longer associated with the club. Made a mint from the City and then tried to get greedy. Hamman settled out of court as he would have had to reveal every aspect of the so called ‘binding’ agreement he had with Tan. Hamman is a leach as he was at Wimbledon. Those who got taken in by their ‘mate’ couldn’t see the wood for the trees.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:26 pm

Wayne S wrote:
wez1927 wrote:..... our understanding is that the figure is towards the lower end of the scale.

Hammam will lose the Presidency and any involvement with the Bluebirds.


Seems we may have saved much more than just court costs. Although depends how big the scale was.



That’s Dalman telling Paul that if you believe one word Dalman ever says :lol:

Always one .


If Tan had kept to his deal, the club would be paying zero now.

I will tell you now, Tan himself had to attend this and he did not want to.

For the Isaac case , he was able to send Borley on his behalf.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:28 pm

Winchmore Hill Bluebird wrote:Sam started the rise in our fortunes - no doubt about that. But he became bitter in recent years towards Tan and his regime. Good for all that Sam and Tan’s differences have seemingly been settled fairly without either side losing face.



Wrong,

Tan Never stuck to the contracts as agreed on payments etc like with all the others and that’s why their was a court case.

Hopefully this really is it.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:30 pm

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Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:43 pm

Forever Blue wrote:Reply Twitter:


Need to stop posting embarrassing ones off Facebook mate. Mcevoy is wrong. Sam didn’t deliver the stadium. There are many reasons for that but he just looks an idiot saying that.

That article is quite clearly heavily influenced by Dalman including a free ad for the law firm.
Amazing.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:50 pm

maccydee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Reply Twitter:


Need to stop posting embarrassing ones off Facebook mate. Mcevoy is wrong. Sam didn’t deliver the stadium. There are many reasons for that but he just looks an idiot saying that.

That article is quite clearly heavily influenced by Dalman including a free ad for the law firm.
Amazing.



Neil,

Sam started the whole ball rolling on the stadium and you know it.

Agreed article is Dalman all over it, Paul may as well work for him.


Shocking about the advert.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:00 pm

Glad it’s all over, move forward now

Another article

https://global247news.com/2022/03/14/sa ... ettlement/
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Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:21 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
wez1927 wrote:..... our understanding is that the figure is towards the lower end of the scale.

Hammam will lose the Presidency and any involvement with the Bluebirds.


Seems we may have saved much more than just court costs. Although depends how big the scale was.



That’s Dalman telling Paul that if you believe one word Dalman ever says :lol:

Always one.


Always One????

Why am I getting the short end of a shitty stick just for pointing out we may have not had to pay as much as first thought?

I read that and assumed it was a good thing for the club.

The fans can only go by what we are told. We cannot all read between the lines concerning what a reporter may or not be saying. Or even whether they may be lying.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:01 pm

Glad it's been settled but I wonder what, if anything, Sam has up his sleeve next as far as the club is concerned? Hopefully nothing.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:03 pm

Wayne S wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Wayne S wrote:
wez1927 wrote:..... our understanding is that the figure is towards the lower end of the scale.

Hammam will lose the Presidency and any involvement with the Bluebirds.


Seems we may have saved much more than just court costs. Although depends how big the scale was.



That’s Dalman telling Paul that if you believe one word Dalman ever says :lol:

Always one.


Always One????

Why am I getting the short end of a shitty stick just for pointing out we may have not had to pay as much as first thought?

I read that and assumed it was a good thing for the club.

The fans can only go by what we are told. We cannot all read between the lines concerning what a reporter may or not be saying. Or even whether they may be lying.


Regardless of which journalist (aided by Dalman no doubt) wrote the article, just based on logic it’s not an outlandish assumption. If Sam settled for a payment on the lower end of the scale AND gave up any inside access to the club and the presidency it stands to reason he’s either realised or been advised there’s a not insignificant chance he loses the case and gets nothing.

With that in mind, why would Tan settle for a higher amount than the cost of the legal fees if he was under the impression he’d win?

Ultimately that’s just one avenue of speculation and it’ll be a long long time before any of us know the finer details. Thankfully both parties are happy and can save face and it’s not longer hanging over our club :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:53 pm

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Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:57 pm

I suppose it's just wishful thinking that this is the last ever thread about Tan this Sam that we'll ever see.Sam and Tan have drawn a line.Now would be a good time for all to do the same.IMHO

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:32 pm

This is the best outcome for the club, Tan and Sam.

It’s unlikely that anyone got exact what they wanted and also unlikely that anyone independent, other than the judge, will ever know the exact terms of the agreement.

I have to take issue with the comment “ The fact that the case was settled out of court showed the strong position Sam had and that Tan did not have confidence to win in a court of law.” It also could be argued that Sam didn’t have the confidence to win in a court of law, if he did he wouldn’t have settled as if he won the case Tan would have had to pay all costs as well as the judgment amount the judge awarded.

There will have been huge amounts of costs for both sides, and court fees for Sam as the claimant, that will have already been incurred and will be payable by both sides. A case being settled merely reduces the “trial” costs but even those will still be pretty costly for both sides as barristers are booked, trial bundles prepared, etc., all of which cost serious money in these big civil cases.

The simple thing is that this is a compromise for both sides and that is fact. People like us can’t really read anything into the merits of the case because we just don’t know the full details of both sides cases.

However, it does bring this to a satisfactory conclusion for both sides. Tan gets to keep Sam away from the club and Sam gets at least some of the money he was owed/deserved.

Onwards and upwards.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:34 pm

Sneggyblubird wrote:I suppose it's just wishful thinking that this is the last ever thread about Tan this Sam that we'll ever see.Sam and Tan have drawn a line.Now would be a good time for all to do the same.IMHO


Depends I guess on what the terms of the settlement were. What's stopping Sam trying to get involved in some capacity once VT has gone?

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:45 pm

Finally it is sorted. Sam needs to move on from us now.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:08 pm

Floppsy wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:I suppose it's just wishful thinking that this is the last ever thread about Tan this Sam that we'll ever see.Sam and Tan have drawn a line.Now would be a good time for all to do the same.IMHO


Depends I guess on what the terms of the settlement were. What's stopping Sam trying to get involved in some capacity once VT has gone?


So where is Tan going ?

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:07 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:Reply Twitter:


Need to stop posting embarrassing ones off Facebook mate. Mcevoy is wrong. Sam didn’t deliver the stadium. There are many reasons for that but he just looks an idiot saying that.

That article is quite clearly heavily influenced by Dalman including a free ad for the law firm.
Amazing.



Neil,

Sam started the whole ball rolling on the stadium and you know it.

Agreed article is Dalman all over it, Paul may as well work for him.


Shocking about the advert.


I haven’t said anything different.

Before Sam it was a pipe dream.

However, that clown implies Sam delivered the stadium. He didn’t and you know that.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:08 pm

Always City wrote:Glad it’s all over, move forward now

Another article

https://global247news.com/2022/03/14/sa ... ettlement/


No one is going to read that shite.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:40 pm

Floppsy wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:I suppose it's just wishful thinking that this is the last ever thread about Tan this Sam that we'll ever see.Sam and Tan have drawn a line.Now would be a good time for all to do the same.IMHO


Depends I guess on what the terms of the settlement were. What's stopping Sam trying to get involved in some capacity once VT has gone?


Age basically.Neither are spring chickens.

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:02 am

A little late to the party but this, for me, is great news and a moment to be celebrated, as the two men (not Annis and Neil :laughing6: ) finally come to agreement on what had become an unecessary and hugely divisive issue for them personally, Cardiff City FC and its genuine supporters

We should take it on face value that both parties are claiming to be 'happy' with the outcome and move on, as no one has come away losing face and it can/should be put to bed

Dragging it on and opening unecessary debate would, IMHO, just be further divisive

Another potentially massive 'issue' out of the way and a bigger one to come (CAS) before we find out the real plans for next season regardless of what we may 'think' now

For the record, Sam certainly started the ball rolling on both the 'modern' Bluebirds and the stadium blueprint that was eventually completed by others. He (Sam) will always get warm welcome from me, if he were (hopefully) ever to return to the CCS as a guest or in any other capacity :ayatollah:

Re: ‘ Sam and Tan settle out of court ‘

Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:10 am

piledriver64 wrote:
Floppsy wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:I suppose it's just wishful thinking that this is the last ever thread about Tan this Sam that we'll ever see.Sam and Tan have drawn a line.Now would be a good time for all to do the same.IMHO


Depends I guess on what the terms of the settlement were. What's stopping Sam trying to get involved in some capacity once VT has gone?


So where is Tan going ?


As far as I know, nowhere.
You can be certain though that he won't be around for ever.