' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:22 am
What Cardiff City must do to convince Man City's Tommy Doyle to stay and the factors.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
Tommy Doyle has been superb since he arrived in south Wales on loan and Morison would love to extend his stay in the Welsh capital
By Mathew Davies Football audience editor
Tuesday 08th March 2022
SPORT
Tommy Doyle has been an instant hit at Cardiff City
His Manchester City schooling is clear for all to see; his speed of movement and thinking is one step ahead of play, his set-piece delivery is outstanding and he raises the game of those who he is playing with.
It is hard to believe he made only eight appearances for German division two side Hamburg earlier this season but sometimes loan moves just don't work out.
Hamburg's loss has certainly been Cardiff's gain and he has fitted seamlessly into the framework manager Steve Morison is trying to install at Cardiff City Stadium. It was no surprise, then, to learn that the boss would love to extend Doyle's stay in south Wales, should the opportunity arise.
STEVE MORISON:
"I think he has been excellent. He has shown why he is so highly regarded," Morison said of Doyle last week.
"He was excellent (against Derby County). He didn't feel great before the game and he put on a performance like that.
"It'll be really interesting to see what he does next year.
"If we could get him back, would I say no? No. Could you see him going to a top-end Championship team, one of the teams who have just come down, possibly? We will just have to wait and see."
"Man City have got so many players and so many options. The communication is open and ongoing.
"We will ask the question and he might turn around and say, 'I would love to go back there for a year'. We will go, 'No problem! Let's see if we can sort that out!'"
So what are the chances?
We asked Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN, for his views on Doyle and where his short-term future is set to lie...
1. What have you made of Doyle's start to life at Cardiff?
It has been a very encouraging start for him. You can never be sure how a player will cope with senior football but Doyle was always one of the youngsters in the academy who was expected to do well.
Not only that, there is evidence of the development that he has had training with such a star-studded first team at City, with his technical and tactical intelligence coming on even more after so long with Pep Guardiola and Kevin De Bruyne. After a frustrating first half of the season, it is nice to see the player showing what he can do in professional football and in such a demanding league.
2. Have Man City been keeping close tabs on him? Are they happy with the Cardiff link-up?
City have been watching closely and have liked what they've seen.
They put a lot of stock in the environment their players will go into when they send them on loan. That means the make-up of the squad and the style of football employed by the manager, and obviously those boxes have been ticked.
But it also includes the size of the club and the matchday conditions. Just as Hamburg were a big club, City will be pleased Doyle is being tested in front of nearly 20,000 people every week.
3. Steve Morison has already said he'd love to have him back next season - what are the chances of that happening do you think?
It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship.
He went back there the next season because the first year had been so good, but also because Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa remained a promising option as a club that were pushing for promotion.
Huddersfield Town were one of the clubs really interested in Doyle at the start of this season and they have obviously had a better, more stable season than Cardiff so there will likely be teams out there in the summer window who will also be keen on signing him.
4. What should his next step be next season
I think another season-long loan makes sense. Kevin De Bruyne, Ilkay Gundogan, and Bernardo Silva aren't going anywhere at City so the options for breaking into the City first team will remain limited. Doyle should be targeting a team near the top of the Championship or aiming for Premier League survival.
However, if he is enjoying it at Cardiff his experiences this year will probably make him think long and hard about his next move given the first half of this campaign was so disappointing. When you think you've found a club that suits you, it is always a risk to move on - but of course Doyle will have to be convinced Cardiff can match his ambitions.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
Tommy Doyle has been superb since he arrived in south Wales on loan and Morison would love to extend his stay in the Welsh capital
By Mathew Davies Football audience editor
Tuesday 08th March 2022
SPORT
Tommy Doyle has been an instant hit at Cardiff City
His Manchester City schooling is clear for all to see; his speed of movement and thinking is one step ahead of play, his set-piece delivery is outstanding and he raises the game of those who he is playing with.
It is hard to believe he made only eight appearances for German division two side Hamburg earlier this season but sometimes loan moves just don't work out.
Hamburg's loss has certainly been Cardiff's gain and he has fitted seamlessly into the framework manager Steve Morison is trying to install at Cardiff City Stadium. It was no surprise, then, to learn that the boss would love to extend Doyle's stay in south Wales, should the opportunity arise.
STEVE MORISON:
"I think he has been excellent. He has shown why he is so highly regarded," Morison said of Doyle last week.
"He was excellent (against Derby County). He didn't feel great before the game and he put on a performance like that.
"It'll be really interesting to see what he does next year.
"If we could get him back, would I say no? No. Could you see him going to a top-end Championship team, one of the teams who have just come down, possibly? We will just have to wait and see."
"Man City have got so many players and so many options. The communication is open and ongoing.
"We will ask the question and he might turn around and say, 'I would love to go back there for a year'. We will go, 'No problem! Let's see if we can sort that out!'"
So what are the chances?
We asked Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN, for his views on Doyle and where his short-term future is set to lie...
1. What have you made of Doyle's start to life at Cardiff?
It has been a very encouraging start for him. You can never be sure how a player will cope with senior football but Doyle was always one of the youngsters in the academy who was expected to do well.
Not only that, there is evidence of the development that he has had training with such a star-studded first team at City, with his technical and tactical intelligence coming on even more after so long with Pep Guardiola and Kevin De Bruyne. After a frustrating first half of the season, it is nice to see the player showing what he can do in professional football and in such a demanding league.
2. Have Man City been keeping close tabs on him? Are they happy with the Cardiff link-up?
City have been watching closely and have liked what they've seen.
They put a lot of stock in the environment their players will go into when they send them on loan. That means the make-up of the squad and the style of football employed by the manager, and obviously those boxes have been ticked.
But it also includes the size of the club and the matchday conditions. Just as Hamburg were a big club, City will be pleased Doyle is being tested in front of nearly 20,000 people every week.
3. Steve Morison has already said he'd love to have him back next season - what are the chances of that happening do you think?
It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship.
He went back there the next season because the first year had been so good, but also because Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa remained a promising option as a club that were pushing for promotion.
Huddersfield Town were one of the clubs really interested in Doyle at the start of this season and they have obviously had a better, more stable season than Cardiff so there will likely be teams out there in the summer window who will also be keen on signing him.
4. What should his next step be next season
I think another season-long loan makes sense. Kevin De Bruyne, Ilkay Gundogan, and Bernardo Silva aren't going anywhere at City so the options for breaking into the City first team will remain limited. Doyle should be targeting a team near the top of the Championship or aiming for Premier League survival.
However, if he is enjoying it at Cardiff his experiences this year will probably make him think long and hard about his next move given the first half of this campaign was so disappointing. When you think you've found a club that suits you, it is always a risk to move on - but of course Doyle will have to be convinced Cardiff can match his ambitions.
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Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:23 am
My View was exactly the same as this writer, but I got shot down on here, but this is 100% spot on.
Thats why Wolves chose Giles for Blackburn over Cardiff City.
What Cardiff City must do to convince Man City's Tommy Doyle to stay and the factors in their favour
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
Thats why Wolves chose Giles for Blackburn over Cardiff City.
What Cardiff City must do to convince Man City's Tommy Doyle to stay and the factors in their favour
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
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Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:22 pm
Great player. Love his passion and connection with the fans.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:26 pm
We have to convince the owners of these players and the players themselves
that cardiff are serious about a push for promotion next season otherwise there' s not a hope in hell of retaning the loans we want to retain doyle dremin etc.
that cardiff are serious about a push for promotion next season otherwise there' s not a hope in hell of retaning the loans we want to retain doyle dremin etc.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:31 pm
how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:24 pm
pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Exactly, there are probably 50 players in the Championship in same category, if we don't get him we'll get someone else that's how the loan system works. I hope we get him he's decent and we are in the driving seat but lets not get too attached and pin all our hopes on him being here next season
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:50 pm
Bluebina wrote:pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Exactly, there are probably 50 players in the Championship in same category, if we don't get him we'll get someone else that's how the loan system works. I hope we get him he's decent and we are in the driving seat but lets not get too attached and pin all our hopes on him being here next season
There will be lots of young premier talent available it just depends on any being good enough to play in our 1st team regularly? What dont want is bit part players not upto playing in championship....doyle domagh have been perfect for us as no need to be dropped giving us continuity.....hopefully be same next season along with some more experienced players to replace ones who go.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:22 pm
My View was exactly the same as this writer, but I got shot down on here, but this is 100% spot on.
Thats why Wolves chose Giles for Blackburn over Cardiff City.
I read the Wolves article and i was under the impression it was about where SM played Giles. MM played him almost as an attacking midfielder/wide forward whereas SM played him more defensively. and he wasn't getting enough crosses in.
It will be interesting how we set up next season. I maintain AM is hyper defensive but he did take over an unbalanced slow shower of senior pro's and wet behind the ears rookies. He did change tactics on Saturday and ended up with 3 out and out attackers, so as we are safe I hope he experiments.
The championship is crazy, how do any club know where we'll end up next season. I think he'll be back
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:00 am
Doyle likely to attract interest
Cardiff may well face competition from some of their Championship rivals should they wish to snap Tommy Doyle up for another season on loan.
Clubs in the Championship looking to challenge for promotion next season are likely to be competing with the Welsh club for Doyle.
The Manchester City midfielder has emerged as a key man under Steve Morison since his arrival in January, and the Cardiff boss has already said he'd like to bring the 20-year-old back next season.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN, believes a return to the capital could well be a possibility, but admits City are unlikely to be the only ones taking an interest, pointing to Huddersfield Town as another potential suitor.
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship.
"He went back there the next season because the first year had been so good, but also because Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa remained a promising option as a club that were pushing for promotion.
"Huddersfield Town were one of the clubs really interested in Doyle at the start of this season and they have obviously had a better, more stable season than Cardiff so there will likely be teams out there in the summer window who will also be keen on signing him."
Cardiff may well face competition from some of their Championship rivals should they wish to snap Tommy Doyle up for another season on loan.
Clubs in the Championship looking to challenge for promotion next season are likely to be competing with the Welsh club for Doyle.
The Manchester City midfielder has emerged as a key man under Steve Morison since his arrival in January, and the Cardiff boss has already said he'd like to bring the 20-year-old back next season.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN, believes a return to the capital could well be a possibility, but admits City are unlikely to be the only ones taking an interest, pointing to Huddersfield Town as another potential suitor.
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship.
"He went back there the next season because the first year had been so good, but also because Leeds and Marcelo Bielsa remained a promising option as a club that were pushing for promotion.
"Huddersfield Town were one of the clubs really interested in Doyle at the start of this season and they have obviously had a better, more stable season than Cardiff so there will likely be teams out there in the summer window who will also be keen on signing him."
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Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:04 am
pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Other clubs look at who the clubs sign and want their players to go to the best, as its better for them, even this sports writer said the same and yes Allan, even the coaches at Cardiff City think the same as i was talking to one of them on the weekend and its common sense Allan.
No one really knows how clubs will do, but the better quality of players clubs sign, the more that club looks like going places.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 11:12 am
Would not surprise me if he is at Fulham next season.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Other clubs look at who the clubs sign and want their players to go to the best, as its better for them, even this sports writer said the same and yes Allan, even the coaches at Cardiff City think the same as i was talking to one of them on the weekend and its common sense Allan.
No one really knows how clubs will do, but the better quality of players clubs sign, the more that club looks like going places.
I think that's understandable to a point. However, they do have to weigh it up with how much game time they are going to get. For instance, is Doyle better off playing virtually every game for a mid-table Championship team or half the games for a top of the table Championship team ?
I don't know the answer but I don't think it's as simple as the best team gets them.
I think Man City have also made it clear that it's also down to the coaching environment and set-up, as well as the style of football too. That is where we can now compete and why we've had some decent, young loans recently.
That said, if a lower end Prem team came in then I'm sure they'd get first call as long as there was a prospect of a decent number of games.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:33 pm
Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Other clubs look at who the clubs sign and want their players to go to the best, as its better for them, even this sports writer said the same and yes Allan, even the coaches at Cardiff City think the same as i was talking to one of them on the weekend and its common sense Allan.
No one really knows how clubs will do, but the better quality of players clubs sign, the more that club looks like going places.
It's going to be interesting close season as lots clubs no money except relegated teams and those with parachute payments so they'll get best players as can afford the fees ect so they'll take players like doyle and leave rest championship feeding off lesser talented players...... question? was city one of the better teams when doyle came here? Definitely not so why did he come here instead of team playing at top end championship like huddersfield? Get impression people dont think city are neither good enough or big enough for premier league clubs like man c to loan out the more talented youngsters.... and judging by opinions of clubs financial ambitions next season city will not be getting in any players that cost us sighning fee so man c liverpool
ect will not be sending any talented youngsters here because team wont be good enough for them.... finally since when does having good players mean a club will go places WBA to name one certainly are not going anywhere.
Still hold that its more to do with way team plays rather than who they are.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 2:42 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Forever Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:how do anyone know how well a club will do one season to another? Think people need to look at last seasons final table then take look at where clubs are this season it changes year to year.... who is to say top 6 club this season wont be struggling bottom half next season? If man c like way doyle is progressing why shouldn't they choose city again? Choosing say huddersfield or any top 6 team next season wont garauntee they'll be at top again...
Other clubs look at who the clubs sign and want their players to go to the best, as its better for them, even this sports writer said the same and yes Allan, even the coaches at Cardiff City think the same as i was talking to one of them on the weekend and its common sense Allan.
No one really knows how clubs will do, but the better quality of players clubs sign, the more that club looks like going places.
It's going to be interesting close season as lots clubs no money except relegated teams and those with parachute payments so they'll get best players as can afford the fees ect so they'll take players like doyle and leave rest championship feeding off lesser talented players...... question? was city one of the better teams when doyle came here? Definitely not so why did he come here instead of team playing at top end championship like huddersfield? Get impression people dont think city are neither good enough or big enough for premier league clubs like man c to loan out the more talented youngsters.... and judging by opinions of clubs financial ambitions next season city will not be getting in any players that cost us sighning fee so man c liverpool
ect will not be sending any talented youngsters here because team wont be good enough for them.... finally since when does having good players mean a club will go places WBA to name one certainly are not going anywhere.
Still hold that its more to do with way team plays rather than who they are.
Who is going to be challenging for promotion next season that will have interest in doyle? No two seasons are same Barnsley top 6 last season now almost relegated.....
Think people should have more faith in our clubs ability to attract decent youngsters/players
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:46 pm
Cardiff are not ambitious at the moment so he will go elsewhere imo.
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:52 pm
What Cardiff City must do to convince Man City's Tommy Doyle to stay and the factors.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
Re: ' WHERE WILL TOMMY DOYLE GO? '
Wed Mar 09, 2022 3:58 pm
Forever Blue wrote:What Cardiff City must do to convince Man City's Tommy Doyle to stay and the factors.
Simon Bajkowski, Manchester City writer for our sister title the MEN:
"It's definitely a possibility but I imagine it will depend on how the ambitions of Cardiff can match those of City and Doyle. I'd place Doyle in the same bracket as Jack Harrison, who went on loan to Leeds United for a year in the Championship."
I think Morison is doing a good job and they seem to get on, I think he'll promise him some new additions like Jed Wallace and that we are looking to be in the playoffs and he'll be back
We can help lets make this his home (for this and next season at least) and call his name, players love to be a fans favourite!