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Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:31 am
As City are now pretty safe, I would now be putting in at least six of our Academy / U23 players in the match day squad, bef them in for next season, experience and see how good they are?
10 games left
10 matches left. Some tough games. They will show how far we have come or not?
If we were still near the bottom I think I would be looking at the fixture list with some trepidation. There are some tough games ahead against teams at both ends of the table.
If we can pick up at least three points from the first two we will be safe.
Then it could get good for our players and see how good they really are as a relaxed squad.
Home Preston
Home Stoke
Home Swansea
Away Reading
Away Hull
Home Luton
Away Sheffield Utd
Away Middlesborough
Home Birmingham
Away Derby.
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Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:38 am
I actually 100% agree, now is the time to see how far we have come and what quality we will have for next season
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:04 am
Yes I agree too, although it's slightly different now with so many of our U23s/Academy now loaned out.
I don't think Morison anticipated us being relatively safe so early and perhaps he wouldn't have loaned out every one of Patten, Sang, Kieron Evans, Bowen and maybe the kid we've loaned to Bristol Rovers.
That said, there are still others like Denham, King, Semenyo, D'Almeida, etc., who would benefit from some involvement. It's certainly an opportunity to see what we've got coming through.
Morison has also said he wants to give people like McGuinness a rest so plenty of opportunities for people.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:05 am
I think we need to finish as high as possible and end the season with momentum.
Mick ended the season badly and that Carried over into the next. Malky finished the championship winning season with lots of bore draws and that carried over into the next season.
Our lowest position over the last 15 years has been 16th. I’d like us to finish above that and then carry that momentum into next year. Make it so Doyle, Drameh, Doughty etc are desperate to come back next year.
One thing about this season. No matter how tough it’s been our away followings have stayed very solid. Have to be impressed with that.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:07 am
We need to see how good these players and the real strength of what our squad contains for next season.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:10 am
Forever Blue wrote:We need to see how good these players and the real strength of what our squad contains for next season.
We do and, more importantly, then move onto the next age group coming through because if any of the current crop of U23s aren't going to make it we need to invest our development resources into the younger group behind them.
We won't have as big a crop next time but one or two a year from the U23s into the first team squad would be a good, and realistic, return.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:24 am
Forever Blue wrote:We need to see how good these players and the real strength of what our squad contains for next season.
There is that mate. Also, nice to Blood them while there’s not much pressure. Although we want to see how they cope with pressure.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:34 am
Leave it to the man thats best place to know,after all,if we lose the next four games all the usual suspects will crawl out form under their stones slagging off the manager for playing too many kids and then slagging off the board for giving him a contract extension too soon.The important point though is best practice.If you want next seasons team to have a winning habit you start now and not next season.Blooding kids at the expence of results is no way to build a winning football team.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:43 am
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Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:54 am
Ninian27 wrote:As City are now pretty safe, I would now be putting in at least six of our Academy / U23 players in the match day squad, bef them in for next season, experience and see how good they are?
10 games left
10 matches left. Some tough games. They will show how far we have come or not?
If we were still near the bottom I think I would be looking at the fixture list with some trepidation. There are some tough games ahead against teams at both ends of the table.
If we can pick up at least three points from the first two we will be safe.
Then it could get good for our players and see how good they really are as a relaxed squad.
Home Preston
Home Stoke
Home Swansea
Away Reading
Away Hull
Home Luton
Away Sheffield Utd
Away Middlesborough
Home Birmingham
Away Derby.
Match day squad yes but I also think it’s important to get as high up the table as possible.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:01 am
maccydee wrote:Forever Blue wrote:We need to see how good these players and the real strength of what our squad contains for next season.
There is that mate. Also, nice to Blood them while there’s not much pressure. Although we want to see how they cope with pressure.
Neil,
Yes way way less pressure in the games now and they are joining a winning squad
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:31 am
Apart from Boro and Sheffield away (and we just beat a higher placed side away) I think it’s a pretty good last 10 games run in.
I would rather go all out guns blazing and scraping for every point to get us up the table and more appealing for incoming players in the transfer window.
Sure a few injuries along the way and resting one or two here and there with give others a chance but let’s try and finish as high as possible.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 11:53 am
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Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:06 pm
Ninian27 wrote:As City are now pretty safe, I would now be putting in at least six of our Academy / U23 players in the match day squad, bef them in for next season, experience and see how good they are?
10 games left
10 matches left. Some tough games. They will show how far we have come or not?
If we were still near the bottom I think I would be looking at the fixture list with some trepidation. There are some tough games ahead against teams at both ends of the table.
If we can pick up at least three points from the first two we will be safe.
Then it could get good for our players and see how good they really are as a relaxed squad.
Home Preston
Home Stoke
Home Swansea
Away Reading
Away Hull
Home Luton
Away Sheffield Utd
Away Middlesborough
Home Birmingham
Away Derby.
I agree we need to play Denham King etc but throwing loads in without too many regulars whos settled etc could have negative effect. I think they should get 30-60mins but maybe 3 at a time isn't 6 or so
Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:37 pm
gwentbluebirds wrote:Ninian27 wrote:As City are now pretty safe, I would now be putting in at least six of our Academy / U23 players in the match day squad, bef them in for next season, experience and see how good they are?
10 games left
10 matches left. Some tough games. They will show how far we have come or not?
If we were still near the bottom I think I would be looking at the fixture list with some trepidation. There are some tough games ahead against teams at both ends of the table.
If we can pick up at least three points from the first two we will be safe.
Then it could get good for our players and see how good they really are as a relaxed squad.
Home Preston
Home Stoke
Home Swansea
Away Reading
Away Hull
Home Luton
Away Sheffield Utd
Away Middlesborough
Home Birmingham
Away Derby.
I agree we need to play Denham King etc but throwing loads in without too many regulars whos settled etc could have negative effect. I think they should get 30-60mins but maybe 3 at a time isn't 6 or so
I tend to agree with this, as we are still a fragile squad after the start to this season under a manager who simply appeared to no longer care, so 'keeping the momentum going' is key for our approach to next season, i.e. by 'blooding in' youngsters gradually
I think it's safe to say we tried that under Mick McCarthy and not only did it fail massively, it was a policy ripped apart by our more fickle suporters, the OP being one, who perpetually seem to want exactly the opposite of what is going on at any given time
Personally, I think Steve Morison is focussed enough to stick to his 'plan' to maintain the momentum and if he thinks one or two more are ready to make the step up from the Under 23's, then he will try them amongst his established group
It will certainly be a steep learning curve for anyone coming in and Steve Morison is not one to hide his feelings. Then again, neither are vocally negative minority of our support base
Let's finish on a 'high' and go into the Summer break more positive than we did the last...
Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:36 pm
I'd like to see a few get some minutes in but it still needs to be balanced. Brum fielded a very young team at the end of last season and we took them apart. I trust morisons judgement on which ones are ready for the jump. We still need to sell tickets and persuade players to join us next season. That will be easier when we are winning and higher up the table.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:39 pm
It's a good idea from our point of view, but of the 10 games left, 2 definitely affect promotion seeking teams, 2 definitely affect relegation threatened teams, & 1 is against our greatest rivals. We owe it all those to field our strongest possible team, and also the EFL might have something else to sanction us with not fielding our strongest team. Possibly we can do it against mid table teams, but again if these teams have little to play for, it will only give our youngsters experience of playing at these grounds, If it's not fully competitive. Some benefit I guess.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:45 pm
BLUE54 wrote:It's a good idea from our point of view, but of the 10 games left, 2 definitely affect promotion seeking teams, 2 definitely affect relegation threatened teams, & 1 is against our greatest rivals. We owe it all those to field our strongest possible team, and also the EFL might have something else to sanction us with not fielding our strongest team. Possibly we can do it against mid table teams, but again if these teams have little to play for, it will only give our youngsters experience of playing at these grounds, If it's not fully competitive. Some benefit I guess.
I dont agree, we owe those teams nothing. If we want to develope/give experience to a few youngsters then its in the interest of our club to do that. We shouldn't be putting the interest of other clubs before our own. That said, I dont think morison is the type to field a team that isn't going to be competitive.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:35 pm
My view is that the City should play their strongest lineup for every remaining game, try to win all 10 and maybe just slip into the playoffs.
We lost 9 in a row - let’s try to make the reverse happen.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 3:47 pm
Winchmore Hill Bluebird wrote:My view is that the City should play their strongest lineup for every remaining game, try to win all 10 and maybe just slip into the playoffs.
We lost 9 in a row - let’s try to make the reverse happen.
People criticise me for being too optimistic but that's just mad
For us to get to 70 points (around the mark for playoffs) we can only drop 2 points in 10 games, extremely unlikely but possible.
However, for Boro, in 6th place, to only get 70 points they'd have to drop 21 points out of 36 in 12 games

Sorry but that's not going to happen unless COVID wipes out their first team squad for the next few weeks !!!!!!
Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:11 pm
10 games playing a young/less experienced team , could see us losing quite a few of those games. Maybe a few by high scores .
Myself I want to win as many this season as possible !
Finish on an high , and take confidence into next season .
Also we are blooding more youngsters this season than we ever have , in recent history.
There are at least 5/6 that now have a little experience , of the championship that hopefully next season should pay dividends !
Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:25 pm
City slicker27 wrote:BLUE54 wrote:It's a good idea from our point of view, but of the 10 games left, 2 definitely affect promotion seeking teams, 2 definitely affect relegation threatened teams, & 1 is against our greatest rivals. We owe it all those to field our strongest possible team, and also the EFL might have something else to sanction us with not fielding our strongest team. Possibly we can do it against mid table teams, but again if these teams have little to play for, it will only give our youngsters experience of playing at these grounds, If it's not fully competitive. Some benefit I guess.
I dont agree, we owe those teams nothing. If we want to develope/give experience to a few youngsters then its in the interest of our club to do that. We shouldn't be putting the interest of other clubs before our own. That said, I dont think morison is the type to field a team that isn't going to be competitive.
So you would be quite happy if we were fighting for promotion, or against relegation, for other teams to field what would really be weakened sides to play against the teams which could cause us to miss out on promotion or to get us relegated? Maybe my choice of words "owe it" was wrong. Maybe I believe competition should be competitive.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:26 pm
Strongest team, Morison knows them, if they do enough in training a few will get a chance of some game time!
Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:38 pm
Our full team would beat a man city team with 6 U23's. U23 football is almost exhibition stuff.
There is only Bowen & Denham left i believe anyway
King and Bowen every other week for Vaulks, but never without either Ralls and Wintle. (i would still keep Will though)
Denham for Mcguinness a few times.
All the other potential starters are out on loan
Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:40 pm
piledriver64 wrote:Winchmore Hill Bluebird wrote:My view is that the City should play their strongest lineup for every remaining game, try to win all 10 and maybe just slip into the playoffs.
We lost 9 in a row - let’s try to make the reverse happen.
People criticise me for being too optimistic but that's just mad
For us to get to 70 points (around the mark for playoffs) we can only drop 2 points in 10 games, extremely unlikely but possible.
However, for Boro, in 6th place, to only get 70 points they'd have to drop 21 points out of 36 in 12 games

Sorry but that's not going to happen unless COVID wipes out their first team squad for the next few weeks !!!!!!
I have a fiver at 12/1 for a top half finish and i have written that off. I love the optimism though
Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:45 pm
Ramming speed! Flat out all the way to season's end. Gathering momentum all the way. Playoffs.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:18 pm
No don’t play like results don’t matter , and let’s try youngsters. We lose 6 games - we will be not on the front foot next season. You need to win as many games as you can.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:30 pm
And many of these current players will not be here next season.
But our youngsters will be here and many of you then saying it does not matter that they never had experience.
Our youngsters the future the same people say.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:46 pm
Way too early to fill the bench with youngsters.
We've successfully blooded several youngsters this season and also seen some be sent on loan to gain experience.
As we move towards the end of the season I'd like to see Denham and King get more pitch time, and maybe see a couple of others get some experience towards the end of the season when we know more about who's likely to leave and stay.
Also it wouldn't bd great to leave loans out of the matchday squad if we have any intentions on possibly signing them again in the summer.
Nice idea but 6 is too many and too soon.
Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:35 pm
I agree, especially as the pre-season is being cut short due to the World Cup interrupted 22-23 season starting much earlier.
Maybe an opportunity to test younger players at Championship level, try players in different positions and different tactics for a plan B and C, plus reduce the game time of players who won’t be here next time around. We could really reap the rewards during the early stage of next season and “hit the ground running.”
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