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Do we have Russia all wrong?

Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:31 pm

While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:55 am

The main fear in The Kremlin is the break out of democracy and freedom on the streets of St Petersburg and Moscow. If it means sacrificing tens of thousands of young Russians to slaughter a 100's of thousand Ukrainians to keep a western way of life out of Russia then for them, its a price worth paying. Rebuilding the Soviet Union is a bonus but if this goes un apposed by the west then surely he'll expand his horizons. Putin is now incarcerated in Russia ( pretty much ) for the rest of his life. Problem he's got a loaded gun and he's mad. This I fear is getting a whole lot worse before its getting better. The west will have to tackle him sooner or later. It may be better backing up several million Ukrainians than a couple of thousand Estonians.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:36 am

The rhetoric he's using is that of a madman! And it's not hearsay it's on video......let's just hope the world as got the balls to indite him for war crimes because no matter what the ideology or reasoning behind the invasion he as committed war crimes as layed down by international law.. Ukraine now who's next Moldova and the couple of countries in the area that are thinking of joining N.A.T.O one of reasons Putin put forward for his invasion..... this is 2and nation hes taken over how many more if he's not stopped now. :roll:

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:37 am

Are you for real putins army nearly blew up the largest nuclear plant in europe 16 times the size of chernobyl if that had blown the whole world would be dying a slow death right now
there are various plants dotted all over the ukraine bloke and his army bunch of tools putin either has been told he only has so long to live with something terminal or he has lost his mind do russian milatry leaders want to kill there own families with nuclear fall out.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:40 am

Footnote
There are 15 other nuclear plants across the ukraine.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:13 pm

It's certainly a complex topic, but the media's complete lack of acknowledgement for NATO expansion, which they agreed not to do, means they are not having to accept any responsibility. To understand how we got here and how to properly resolve this issue, we must acknowledge our wrongdoings. We are human and make mistakes.

When the Soviet Union tried to move in the way NATO is today, The USA almost brought the world to an end with the Cuban missile crisis. We're also hypocrites in the sense that this is exactly what we've done in Syria, Libya, Afghan, Iraq, Yemen and more, in the name of democracy and Western liberalism.

Whilst thats all said and done, I also don't agree with Russia's invasion and hope we come to a diplomatic solution.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:05 pm

montyblue wrote:Are you for real putins army nearly blew up the largest nuclear plant in europe 16 times the size of chernobyl if that had blown the whole world would be dying a slow death right now
there are various plants dotted all over the ukraine bloke and his army bunch of tools putin either has been told he only has so long to live with something terminal or he has lost his mind do russian milatry leaders want to kill there own families with nuclear fall out.



Rumours he's got Parkinson's and is losing the plot?

Probably completely made up, but does Parkinson's affect peoples thinking?

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:59 pm

Not sure it’s NATO.. Ask why countries aren’t queuing up to join the Russian Federation..

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:50 pm

Bluebina

My dad died of parkinsons its the medication that your on get it right its fine get it wrong and voices hallucinations etc

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:12 pm

My good friend has Parkinsons no lack of shahrpness after ten years there?

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:17 am

This has been going on for over 7 years the fighting between Ukraine and Russia - Got a lot worse the last 10 days .

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:56 am

Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:15 am

RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


That’s incorrect. Ukraine has been a sovereign state for over 30 years and is recognised as one.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:40 am

RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


What a whopper you are,why don't you post under your normal name.Coward

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:04 am

Sneggyblubird wrote:
RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


What a whopper you are,why don't you post under your normal name.Coward


This is my normal name you absolute sludge

If you haven't got anything decent to respond with then scroll on.

You'll be telling me the dodgy dart works next :lol:

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:19 am

Large Arge wrote:
RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


That’s incorrect. Ukraine has been a sovereign state for over 30 years and is recognised as one.


Incorrect you want to edit your post to avoid any laughter in your direction.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:48 am

RonaldStump wrote:
Large Arge wrote:
RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


That’s incorrect. Ukraine has been a sovereign state for over 30 years and is recognised as one.


Incorrect you want to edit your post to avoid any laughter in your direction.


“The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991. (About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence)”

“Ukraine proclaimed its independence on August 24, 1991, and won overwhelming popular approval for this act in a referendum on December 1, 1991. Ukraine was subsequently recognized by other governments, and many international agreements were signed, notably with neighbouring countries”

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukrain ... nt-Ukraine


“Two days after the 1991 Ukrainian independence referendum, neighboring Hungary became the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Ukraine on 3 December 1991 and Ukraine has since then established diplomatic relations with about 180 of the 193 United Nations member countries”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:33 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?


Bio bombs that take out only Russians ffs…that must be a new level of paranoia, like the west want to invade Russia….why? Just why would that ever happen else to take out a man who has gone insane clearly…

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:11 pm

RonaldStump wrote:
Sneggyblubird wrote:
RonaldStump wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?

Massive distraction:
Ukrain is NOT a soveriegn state and does NOT have recognised soveriegn borders. It is in effect still part of Russia and has been since the 10th century.
We're all being lied to (no surprise there) Putin is just cutting the head off the deep state serpent


What a whopper you are,why don't you post under your normal name.Coward


This is my normal name you absolute sludge

If you haven't got anything decent to respond with then scroll on.

You'll be telling me the dodgy dart works next :lol:


You're posting style reminds me of someone else.Will you get to 100 posts? Hmmm :lol: Bet your IP address is from Spain.

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:13 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?



Russia claims that they have found and destroyed bio weapon factories in Ukraine claiming they are funded by USA

https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/15 ... s_ukraine/

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Tue Mar 08, 2022 1:31 pm

MOZZER1 wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:While I was serving in the military during the 80s it was preached into me that Russia and its satellite states (CSSR) were a different mentality to us and were not to be trusted etc etc. As time has gone by and I have worked with different cultures around the world I have discovered that well there is very little difference between us.

So with these experiences behind me I also look at the other side of the argument. The invasion of the Ukraine by Russia is a hot topic at the moment. So why did Russia do it? I've read a few stories why they did ranging from understandable to extreme fantasy. The most understandable reason being the Eastern states of Ukraine where it is still pro Russian but whose population have been under abuse of Human rights from the Ukraine authorities. The most extreme fantasy I've read about is that there are Bio Labs in Ukraine being funded by the USA where they are creating Bio bombs to take out Russian only. Using advanced DNA technology these bombs will only kill Russians. I kid you not.

So whatever you intend to believe ad lets for argument sakes say these Bio Labs exist can you blame Russia for doing what they are doing? Are the Russians the good guys here while us in the West are not what we think we are. Lets be hoest here but how many of us trust our leaders today?



Russia claims that they have found and destroyed bio weapon factories in Ukraine claiming they are funded by USA

https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/15 ... s_ukraine/


Russia also claim that this is not a war and they're not targeting civilians :roll: :lol:

Re: Do we have Russia all wrong?

Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:25 pm

Do we have Russia all wrong?

No of course not, don't believe twatter and face-ache nonsense :thumbup: