Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:29 pm
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Sven wrote:Thanks, Annis![]()
As ever, clarity from Keith Morgan; and we can now digest and debate its content with some knowledge of the financial situation
Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:24 pm
Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:26 pm
Sven wrote:Thanks, Annis![]()
As ever, clarity from Keith Morgan; and we can now digest and debate its content with some knowledge of the financial situation
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:05 pm
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Forever Blue wrote:Since May 2021 but before March 2022 the club has borrowed more money from undisclosed sources totalling £22.1m at interest rates of up to 9%, but has also repaid May 2021 loans of £3.1m.
Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:37 pm
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm
Simplesimon wrote:Quote “ Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????”
Annis , I work in the finance industry and unsecured debt is typically attracting rates of 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Business loans with “property secured” debt would attract about 6%+ for a risky sector, which football is easily classed as.
9% for an unsecured loan to a high risk sector and low/negative balance sheet is actually good value.
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:42 pm
Simplesimon wrote:Quote “ Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????”
Annis , I work in the finance industry and unsecured debt is typically attracting rates of 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Business loans with “property secured” debt would attract about 6%+ for a risky sector, which football is easily classed as.
9% for an unsecured loan to a high risk sector and low/negative balance sheet is actually good value.
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:50 pm
Simplesimon wrote:Quote “ Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????”
Annis , I work in the finance industry and unsecured debt is typically attracting rates of 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Business loans with “property secured” debt would attract about 6%+ for a risky sector, which football is easily classed as.
9% for an unsecured loan to a high risk sector and low/negative balance sheet is actually good value.
Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:51 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Simplesimon wrote:Quote “ Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????”
Annis , I work in the finance industry and unsecured debt is typically attracting rates of 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Business loans with “property secured” debt would attract about 6%+ for a risky sector, which football is easily classed as.
9% for an unsecured loan to a high risk sector and low/negative balance sheet is actually good value.
But we were told time and time again, all these debts were costing us zero???
Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:00 pm
Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:04 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Hi Keith,
CCFC Debt?
£61 million owed to Vincent Tan
£17.8 million owed to a company under Mehmet Dalman's control
£3 million owed to U-Peng Tan
£6.2 million owed to the EFL
So that's a total debt of approximately £88 million. Not £109 million. The notes to the accounts say a further £22 million has been loaned??
Fri Mar 04, 2022 7:03 am
Ninian1962 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Hi Keith,
CCFC Debt?
£61 million owed to Vincent Tan
£17.8 million owed to a company under Mehmet Dalman's control
£3 million owed to U-Peng Tan
£6.2 million owed to the EFL
So that's a total debt of approximately £88 million. Not £109 million. The notes to the accounts say a further £22 million has been loaned??
Annis
In my commentary I didn`t include all liabilities. For instance there were accruals (e.g season ticket money received in advance, interest on loans etc.) of £12.2m, plus "normal" debts of PAYE/NI/v.a.t of £2.9m , plus transfer fee instalments of £500k and a few more creditors that you would normally get in a business. These were included in the total liabilities of £109.5m. If the club directors had been more co-operative I would have had more time to do a more detailed commentary in less of a rush as happened in previous years.
Fri Mar 04, 2022 9:58 am
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Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:13 am
wez1927 wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Simplesimon wrote:Quote “ Seen as interest rates for the last few yrs have been at their lowest of all time.
Charging our club 9% ????”
Annis , I work in the finance industry and unsecured debt is typically attracting rates of 15% to 20% over the last few years.
Business loans with “property secured” debt would attract about 6%+ for a risky sector, which football is easily classed as.
9% for an unsecured loan to a high risk sector and low/negative balance sheet is actually good value.
But we were told time and time again, all these debts were costing us zero???
They have effectively coz tan writes debt off or converts it to equity.