‘ Cardiff City Not Good enough ‘

4pts from our last 15pts and still near the bottom , I said last July this squad is def not good enough.

This Summer, we can not rely on the kids coming through, as they are struggling themselves against lower league clubs.

We need to spend and bring quality in or we will be bottom next season.

We can’t keep getting just Loan players season after season.

We can fight and fight, but we need quality end off.




We must beat teams like Derby who are now virtually down and listing every week.



Sat Feb 12 Millwall 2 Cardiff City 1 Crowd 12,710 Away Support( )


Tuesday Feb 15th Cardiff City 2 Coventry City 0 Crowd 18,660 Away Support (1,107)



Sat Feb 19 Cardiff City 1 Blackpool 1 Crowd: 19,025 Away Support: ( 710 )


Wed Feb 23 Huddersfield Town 2 Cardiff City 1 Crowd Away Support (1,003 )

Sat Feb 26 Cardiff City 0 Fulham 1 Crowd Away Support ( )




Tuesday March 1st Cardiff City v Derby County



As Steve Morison keeps saying “The league table does not lie”

Derby County minus 21 pts

Reading minus 6pts

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Annis it's all very well for you to criticise your club on not having a sufficiently strong squad but what would your solution be?
It is quite apparent that Mr Tan is not going to invest heavily in player recruitment at the club.
As for loan signings it is obvious to everyone that the loan signings we are now attracting are at a far higher level than in previous windows.
Why do you think this is?

Annis it's all very well for you to criticise your club on not having a sufficiently strong squad but what would your solution be?
It is quite apparent that Mr Tan is not going to invest heavily in player recruitment at the club.
As for loan signings it is obvious to everyone that the loan signings we are now attracting are at a far higher level than in previous windows.
Why do you think this is?

Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

The truth is the mismanagement of our club has caught up with us.

With a more strategic approach, better/realistic transfer policy and squad development, a proper playing style and identify across playing ages, a better way of bringing youngsters into the first team and better integration with our local communities in Cardiff and surrounding areas.... our club could have been an established premier league team by now... instead, we have spaffed away money, taken annual 'punt's on expensive players (even though we didn't have a style of football to maximise their talent), become disenfranchised from the local communities (the lack of support for the My Shirt, My City showed this) and we have had NO leadership as our CEO and Chairmen are completely incapable of developing and implementing a strategy for the club.. we fall from legal case to legal case... and I can't see the management leaving soon.

On the plus point... we have a decent academy, great training facilities, a decent stadium, a fan base who will return if the above gets sorted out and if we can avoid relegation we can do some squad rebuilding.

Morison must be allowed to bring in players in the summer... loans, frees and fee players. I am sure he won't waste money and will only bring in players that fit into the style of play. If the players he bought in on loan are an indication of his approach to recruitment, then I think we are in much better hands than previous managers (apart from the one month golden period where Warnock brought in Holliet and Bamba).

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.








I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.

It shows if you run a club properly, Luton Town, home gates of 9,000 and are in a play-off position.

For many you would expect to see Luton near the bottom.

It shows if you run a club properly, Luton Town, home gates of 9,000 and are in a play-off position.

For many you would expect to see Luton near the bottom.

Luton Town Huddersfield Town Blackburn Rovers and one or two others show a good manager and shrewd dealing on the transfer market count for a lot. No reason you can’t complete for the playoffs if you get it right. Morison might be the man for the job,jury still out.

Undoubtedly the club has been poorly run, but its followed the moneybags billionaire owner model and as a normal CCFC fan its been a bit of a ride.

Owning Football clubs is the same as F1, cycling or horse racing, it's there for people where money has become almost meaningless, its an ego thing.

The red shirt mistake was that of someone who thought he could simply throw money at a problem and make it disappear. The regulars are only replaced by new fans (and we all need new fans) with increased success but that success is relative. I believe that Tan has finally learned or given up doing it his way.

I think we are belatedly changing things behind the scene. Our recruitment has been good over the last year. Whoever is behind this must continue.
Football below elite level is changing, i can see a lots of bosmans and free's with very few transfers. The asset side of the ledger must have taken an absolute hammering with so few transfers and players just seeing out their contracts and moving on. There must be loads of technically insolvent clubs propped up by their owners writing off debt

I think we are ahead of the game for once, probably by necessity but we lose a lot of dogs in June and some of the kids have nearly a full season under their belts.


onwards and upwards

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.








I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.

Ok, let’s see if I can answer your questions as you seem so keen to hear my answers !!

You are of course entitled to express your views, just like, I hope, everyone else is on here.

I take your word for it that there have been some “good” offers for the club. But it doesn’t really matter whether you or I think the offers are good. If Tan doesn’t think it’s good that’s the end of it and, as owner, that’s his prerogative.

I’m not sure I agree with you on your point about Tan losing face if we got relegated. He would, in my eyes, lose more face if we were in massive debt and went out of business or lost points because of financial mismanagement like previous owners. I think you and I both agree we won’t get relegated this season now and, unless you know something all the financial experts on here don’t, we’re not one of the clubs at risk of FFP sanctions. So a bit of a pointless argument to that one !!

Finally, your point that if we improved the books we would be more attractive. Of course you are correct. I’m not a company law expert but from speaking to others the recent shares issue makes us even stable and, they say, not an action of an owner who is about to cut and run !!

I’ve said before and will repeat. I’m not some madman in love with Tan !! But I do recognise the stability he has given us. I just don’t want to go back to the bad old days of boom and bust that threatened our very existence and certainly got us very close to having sanctions that could have really hurt us. So I would want any new owner to manage sensibly with a long term plan and not make crazy decisions on things we just can’t sustain.

I think that answers your questions.

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

Annis your opinion is simply common sense. I have been saying since Nov 2020 that this was coming, but, as usual got shot down in flames.

You are spot on without a shadow of a doubt.

I apologise that I have commented on yohr post in one way because now it will become an anti Barclay post All about how 'clueless' I am.

Unless fans voice their opinion and opposition to a regime that has no respect for CCFC or it's fans the yes, next year will be even worse.

The truth is the mismanagement of our club has caught up with us.

With a more strategic approach, better/realistic transfer policy and squad development, a proper playing style and identify across playing ages, a better way of bringing youngsters into the first team and better integration with our local communities in Cardiff and surrounding areas.... our club could have been an established premier league team by now... instead, we have spaffed away money, taken annual 'punt's on expensive players (even though we didn't have a style of football to maximise their talent), become disenfranchised from the local communities (the lack of support for the My Shirt, My City showed this) and we have had NO leadership as our CEO and Chairmen are completely incapable of developing and implementing a strategy for the club.. we fall from legal case to legal case... and I can't see the management leaving soon.

On the plus point... we have a decent academy, great training facilities, a decent stadium, a fan base who will return if the above gets sorted out and if we can avoid relegation we can do some squad rebuilding.

Morison must be allowed to bring in players in the summer... loans, frees and fee players. I am sure he won't waste money and will only bring in players that fit into the style of play. If the players he bought in on loan are an indication of his approach to recruitment, then I think we are in much better hands than previous managers (apart from the one month golden period where Warnock brought in Holliet and Bamba).

Agree almost entirely with this, and yes we have wasted money in the past, but it doesn't mean we must spend moving forward.

Only point I would question is the Fact we have a decent academy. I really don't see it. It is a myth the club is trying to put out as fact.

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.








I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.

Ok, let’s see if I can answer your questions as you seem so keen to hear my answers !!

You are of course entitled to express your views, just like, I hope, everyone else is on here.



Sorry, but that's simply not true, and very two faced of you.

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.








I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.

Ok, let’s see if I can answer your questions as you seem so keen to hear my answers !!

You are of course entitled to express your views, just like, I hope, everyone else is on here.



Sorry, but that's simply not true, and very two faced of you.

Here we go. Keyboard warrior throwing insults because he’s been challenged elsewhere !!

You are, and do, express your opinion. That doesn’t mean that they can go unchallenged.

Where have I said you’re not entitled to your opinion then ? I don’t agree with your opinion and have challenged your views but nowhere have I said that your not entitled to those views however bizarre they may be !!

It’s called debate not being “two faced”.

But you dont debate.... You see who the thread is written by then react accordingly irrespective of what has been written.

Point in question was the Perry Ng thread.

I apologise by calling you two faced. Not called for. Ill tell you sonething for nothing though, I get absolutely slammed by certain posters on this board including yourself and put up with more than anyone else for having my opinions.

Tell me something, should I not post?

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

Who's actually disagreed with you that we need investment?

And who's disagreed with you that we can't rely purely on kids? Yes people got a bit overly excited by our prospects but the vast majority knew they weren't ready to lead the line.

Seems like you talk about people disagreeing with you more than they actually do.

Well done, you were right - we're shit and Tan's lost interest.

But you dont debate.... You see who the thread is written by then react accordingly irrespective of what has been written.

Point in question was the Perry Ng thread.

I apologise by calling you two faced. Not called for. Ill tell you sonething for nothing though, I get absolutely slammed by certain posters on this board including yourself and put up with more than anyone else for having my opinions.

Tell me something, should I not post?

There’s nothing you should not post apart from insults . You’ve apologised for that and I accept that.

Post what you like, but don’t expect not to be challenged on this posts, particularly when you appear to only have a negative perspective on our club and to completely ignore where there is clear progress.

Undoubtedly the club has been poorly run, but its followed the moneybags billionaire owner model and as a normal CCFC fan its been a bit of a ride.

Owning Football clubs is the same as F1, cycling or horse racing, it's there for people where money has become almost meaningless, its an ego thing.

The red shirt mistake was that of someone who thought he could simply throw money at a problem and make it disappear. The regulars are only replaced by new fans (and we all need new fans) with increased success but that success is relative. I believe that Tan has finally learned or given up doing it his way.

I think we are belatedly changing things behind the scene. Our recruitment has been good over the last year. Whoever is behind this must continue.
Football below elite level is changing, i can see a lots of bosmans and free's with very few transfers. The asset side of the ledger must have taken an absolute hammering with so few transfers and players just seeing out their contracts and moving on. There must be loads of technically insolvent clubs propped up by their owners writing off debt

I think we are ahead of the game for once, probably by necessity but we lose a lot of dogs in June and some of the kids have nearly a full season under their belts.


onwards and upwards

Tried the throw money at it that didn't work... so cut back reset things that hasn't worked regarding promotion and is criticised .... but look at bigger picture at least 7 clubs reportedly facing points deduction and no money to spend next season? We will have got rid of big earners so improving financial situation there will be lots of free agents and players having to take massive cut in wages to get a club that will be available so lot will depend on who us doing the recruitment... and tan needs to sell but cannot make someone sell anything if they feel it is not suitable to them... all fans are optimistic for following season and especially in championship where teams challenging for promotion one season are fighting relegation next & Visa versa... people need to take look at last season's table to see this is tru..... people can be negative and pessimistic at beginning of season but all way through a season and for the next season long before club knows what players come or go or even who manger is? that's Pure "BONKERS."

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

Who's actually disagreed with you that we need investment?

And who's disagreed with you that we can't rely purely on kids? Yes people got a bit overly excited by our prospects but the vast majority knew they weren't ready to lead the line.

Seems like you talk about people disagreeing with you more than they actually do.

Well done, you were right - we're shit and Tan's lost interest.

The 'I told you so' always comes out after a few defeats.

Annis I am in total agreement with you on Tan selling the club.
I believe that he was mislead into buying the club in the first place and did not fully understand the implications of owning a football club. Ok, he is a very successful businessman who controls significant markets in the Far East but many businessmen have been dazzled by the prospect of owning a top flight English football club.

Who would be interested in Buying Cardiff City?
How could Tan sell the club without losing face in his circle?
What do you think Tan would accept?

This is not taking a pop at you just interested in your views.
Just opinions?

And that is exactly the point.

All very well saying Tan should sell but nobody, reliable, is making any offer to buy and nobody at all is making an offer that Tan will accept.

I think it’s sad and hilarious in equal measure that every time we loose a game it’s all Tan’s fault and he should sell. When we win it’s all quiet.

Actually, thinking about it, it’s not sad or hilarious, it predictable and transparent and people need to think about this.

I would argue, very strongly, that on the pitch we’re in a way different place than we have been for 2/3 seasons. Some on here shouldn’t try and create a division in the support of the club where one simply doesn’t exist.

It’s not productive and actually makes these people look pretty shallow and silly! !!

Who said it’s Tans fault every time we lose a game?


Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.








I am saying it now, that next season will be worse than this season if money is not spent on bringing quality in as we have not got that many good players coming through that was supposedly coming this season and next season it’s even less.

I am allowed my views and observations.

I said it last July that this season we would struggle badly because of what I saw happening and what I knew.

I got shot down , but the same people don’t then admit I was right.

And I am this now that if we do not invest it will be even worse , you surely can see that for yourself?


If I front line up is players like Collins and Harris next season, surely you also see that we will struggle badly?

If you read what I said originally I never mentioned Tan, the reply brought his name in to it correct ?


I will state again Tan received in the last few years 3 offers and what I know is that they were good offers.


As to Tan losing face if we were relegated next season. that surely would be worse?


You would be shocked if our books could be improvement vastly, Cardiff would be great asset to many.

You didn’t say it in the original post but as soon as you had the chance you said “ Tan had NO interest at all in our great club nor his Committee Dalman & Choo.

He needs to sell us this Sumner, that’s my view.”

As I have said previously, I agree with you that Morison will need some investment in the summer, not huge, but in key positions.

There is nobody creditable offering to buy the club. There is certainly nobody willing to meet Tan’s valuation.

Therefore, any other talk of Sam or any other future owner is futile. We are, financially, safe under Tan and that situation appears to be improving after recent financial dealings.

Let’s see what the summer brings, but I would bet serious money that it won’t bring a takeover by your mate Sam …………. thankfully in my opinion !!!

Correct I did, as that’s what I know and see with my own eyes

So if someone brings his name up, I can’t reply?? Lol

Your sounding like the Dictator himself.

But you always avoid the questions.

Ok, let’s see if I can answer your questions as you seem so keen to hear my answers !!

You are of course entitled to express your views, just like, I hope, everyone else is on here.

I take your word for it that there have been some “good” offers for the club. But it doesn’t really matter whether you or I think the offers are good. If Tan doesn’t think it’s good that’s the end of it and, as owner, that’s his prerogative.

I’m not sure I agree with you on your point about Tan losing face if we got relegated. He would, in my eyes, lose more face if we were in massive debt and went out of business or lost points because of financial mismanagement like previous owners. I think you and I both agree we won’t get relegated this season now and, unless you know something all the financial experts on here don’t, we’re not one of the clubs at risk of FFP sanctions. So a bit of a pointless argument to that one !!

Finally, your point that if we improved the books we would be more attractive. Of course you are correct. I’m not a company law expert but from speaking to others the recent shares issue makes us even stable and, they say, not an action of an owner who is about to cut and run !!

I’ve said before and will repeat. I’m not some madman in love with Tan !! But I do recognise the stability he has given us. I just don’t want to go back to the bad old days of boom and bust that threatened our very existence and certainly got us very close to having sanctions that could have really hurt us. So I would want any new owner to manage sensibly with a long term plan and not make crazy decisions on things we just can’t sustain.

I think that answers your questions.

That's a very good post mate. Well thought out and presented in a logical manner