New manager first or new players?

For me, we need to get our loan players back, for whatever benefit they would bring ( numbers more than anything), but crucially, we need to get a manager that knows their stuff, is ambitious,can attract decent cut price players and can play decent football.

That then provides stability at the helm.

If Tan won't spend on players, then for the love of god, spend it on a manager who can not o ly get the best out of the players we have, but can utilise a system and style of play that can at least make us competitive against teams around us.

If we can 1 avoid the drop, 2 start afresh next year without Tan and an ownership with vision, this year can be seen as a blip

We had a perfect chance to get a better manager .we opted for the cheap option with absolutely no clout

New manager coming in end of season!

Who would you suggest ?

[quote="Igovernor"]New manager coming in end of season![/quote

is this 100 % for sure?

When a new manager comes in they generally want to bring in their own players from their wishlist.

A new manager first is a must otherwise SM could bring in 2 or 3 who don't fit in the new managers style.
Perhaps this is the thinking behind the "no money to spend" stance

Or it may be my wishful thinking

The last thing we need is a manager, we need a new structure, or we'll repeat the same mistake season after season.

Need to get rid of Dalman and choo and replace with DoF and FD. Get the DoF to pick the first team coach, then the players.

1. new owners
2. new board
3. new manager
4. get rid of 80% of squad and start again - yes 80%, we are carrying shit, dead wood and hangers on
5. might have to get relegated to kick all the above off - so be it!

We just need to survive this season and not fall out of the Championship. Then the club would be in real trouble, in money terms and support.

What’s wrong with Morison?

Have we turned on him already?

The Tan years have seen the steady decline of our club.

4 Wembley appearances
And the kick on never happened.

The feud with Malky and the red were
A total bomb on the fan base.

We should be the same as Leicester or Southampton.
A premier league club was born with those wembley appearances...
Then the bomb, the billionaire owner wanted it on the cheap.
(trouble is you need to invest in the short term to profit in the long term...).

As he finally realised they wasted millions on Olly.

Then a second straw to grab at.
Yes, warnock got us up as he does wuth a mediocre squad.

Warnock himself states the Premier isnt for him, yet we keep him and shoestring again.
Que the increased pace of the decline....

The rise of youngsters is purely down to the worst squad we gave had in many years...

The stadium is empty.

The squad is Div 1,I dont think any player would get onto a top 10 champ team...

I've wanted Tan out since he came in.
Bankrolling the debt he creates is a joke.

The Tan years have seen the steady decline of our club.

4 Wembley appearances
And the kick on never happened.

The feud with Malky and the red were
A total bomb on the fan base.

We should be the same as Leicester or Southampton.
A premier league club was born with those wembley appearances...
Then the bomb, the billionaire owner wanted it on the cheap.
(trouble is you need to invest in the short term to profit in the long term...).

As he finally realised they wasted millions on Olly.

Then a second straw to grab at.
Yes, warnock got us up as he does wuth a mediocre squad.

Warnock himself states the Premier isnt for him, yet we keep him and shoestring again.
Que the increased pace of the decline....

The rise of youngsters is purely down to the worst squad we gave had in many years...

The stadium is empty.

The squad is Div 1,I dont think any player would get onto a top 10 champ team...

I've wanted Tan out since he came in.
Bankrolling the debt he creates is a joke.

Wanted him out since he came in? So wasnt given a chance even at the start! Ok.

New owner and board required as we are papering over the cracks. If we do survive this season the problems will still be there next season. Drastic changes needed NOW!

The Tan years have seen the steady decline of our club.

4 Wembley appearances
And the kick on never happened.

The feud with Malky and the red were
A total bomb on the fan base.

We should be the same as Leicester or Southampton.
A premier league club was born with those wembley appearances...
Then the bomb, the billionaire owner wanted it on the cheap.
(trouble is you need to invest in the short term to profit in the long term...).

As he finally realised they wasted millions on Olly.

Then a second straw to grab at.
Yes, warnock got us up as he does wuth a mediocre squad.

Warnock himself states the Premier isnt for him, yet we keep him and shoestring again.
Que the increased pace of the decline....

The rise of youngsters is purely down to the worst squad we gave had in many years...

The stadium is empty.

The squad is Div 1,I dont think any player would get onto a top 10 champ team...

I've wanted Tan out since he came in.
Bankrolling the debt he creates is a joke.

Wanted Tan out since he came in? Ridiculous comment that. Why?

He actually saved the club.

There’s a post as to what has created the debt.

The Tan years have seen the steady decline of our club.

4 Wembley appearances
And the kick on never happened.

The feud with Malky and the red were
A total bomb on the fan base.

We should be the same as Leicester or Southampton.
A premier league club was born with those wembley appearances...
Then the bomb, the billionaire owner wanted it on the cheap.
(trouble is you need to invest in the short term to profit in the long term...).

As he finally realised they wasted millions on Olly.

Then a second straw to grab at.
Yes, warnock got us up as he does wuth a mediocre squad.

Warnock himself states the Premier isnt for him, yet we keep him and shoestring again.
Que the increased pace of the decline....

The rise of youngsters is purely down to the worst squad we gave had in many years...

The stadium is empty.

The squad is Div 1,I dont think any player would get onto a top 10 champ team...

I've wanted Tan out since he came in.
Bankrolling the debt he creates is a joke.

Wanted him out since he came in? So wasnt given a chance even at the start! Ok.

Glad someone else spotted the clownness of that comment.

What’s wrong with Morison?

Have we turned on him already?

Neil, it seems the (proverbial) worm has turned already...

I like consistency, so let's look at a couple of things said previously on the appointments of Steve Morison and then Mark Hudson...

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Not sure what your driving at there Sven.

It was a sensible decision at the time, and still probably is one of the only decisions we could have made at the time.

The point of this thread isn't a 'let's get rid' it's more of, if things have to change what is the most Important, new better players or a new better manager. Again, it is subjective.

It's not a critical post and I also stand by what I said in earlier posts that you have gone away to find. If we had a choice, and were able to, I'd still change the manager first. Doesn't mean that Morison won't keep us up or send us down.

Not sure what your driving at there Sven.

It was a sensible decision at the time, and still probably is one of the only decisions we could have made at the time.

The point of this thread isn't a 'let's get rid' it's more of, if things have to change what is the most Important, new better players or a new better manager. Again, it is subjective.

It's not a critical post and I also stand by what I said in earlier posts that you have gone away to find. If we had a choice, and were able to, I'd still change the manager first. Doesn't mean that Morison won't keep us up or send us down.

For me, it's a misleading title to what you wrote but you did state (quote) "we need to get a manager that knows their stuff", which asks the question of the current manager you, like most of us, were 'happy' to employ

Again for me, it's a negative thread started by you, in which you seized a now boringly predictable opportunity to bring up your 'Tan out regardless' agenda

Ownership (Tan or otherwise) and management that is able to take us forward again is what we all want; but right now it's more important to rally behind who/what we have and see what occurs going forward

Sven, it was more a case of who gets us out if this mess quicker/better, a manager or players?

As for an Anti Tan message, I could have includes 'New board first' but I deliberately avoided that for obvious reasons.

A new manager who knows their stuff in my books is an experienced manager which Morison is not.

I still maintain he was the best appointment we could have made based on the predicament we are in. I'm purely guaging the response as to whether better players with this particular manager would 'do the trick'.

I respect you highly, but you have definately seen something there which isn't, and which I clearly tried to avoid.

Sven, it was more a case of who gets us out if this mess quicker/better, a manager or players?

As for an Anti Tan message, I could have includes 'New board first' but I deliberately avoided that for obvious reasons.

A new manager who knows their stuff in my books is an experienced manager which Morison is not.

I still maintain he was the best appointment we could have made based on the predicament we are in. I'm purely guaging the response as to whether better players with this particular manager would 'do the trick'.

I respect you highly, but you have definately seen something there which isn't, and which I clearly tried to avoid.

Jon, firstly I respect you, too!

But the headline was misleading and the thread itself not what was required after a defeat that was largely the responsibility of one man (ironically not Vincent Tan)

We won't get a new manager right now and I've been impressed enough with Steve Morison to think we will be safe, if he is given a little support in the January transfer window

The players themselves appear to be on board with the manager's 'plan' and there are clear sugns of improvement from the dinosaur's time here

There are strong rumours that all four 'loanees' will be recalled and also that a couple of new recruits are being targetted at the back and maybe midfield

Can't fault that myself, if it happens; which leaves the answer to your initial question as 'neither, as all are doing their best right now'