Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:16 am
Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:25 am
Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:47 am
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:28 am
castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:09 am
WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:00 pm
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 pm
Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:07 pm
castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:07 pm
WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:53 pm
WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:02 pm
Sven wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head???![]()
If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced
Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:15 pm
Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:39 pm
castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
No not having that fella in your first post you said LH car had a 10mph advantage on the straights, Really? the fastest part of the track is the back straight and that's where the speed trap is. So just to clear up your confusion the 3 fastest times recorded over the weekend were:
1st Max Verstappen Red Bull
2nd Sergio Perez Red Bull
3rd Lewis Hamilton Mercedes.
It was Verstappen who had the straight line advantage of 5.5kph over Lewis Hamilton and if you remember he was in pole position. All that is easily checked.
Now still want to maintain Mercedes is the faster car.
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Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:45 pm
Sven wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head???![]()
If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced
Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:36 pm
Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:31 pm
Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:00 pm
WelshSerb wrote:Sven wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head???![]()
If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced
Although that was very much max fault I completely agree but not really the same when they both crashed out and neither gained a advantage
Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:06 am
Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:04 am
WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
No not having that fella in your first post you said LH car had a 10mph advantage on the straights, Really? the fastest part of the track is the back straight and that's where the speed trap is. So just to clear up your confusion the 3 fastest times recorded over the weekend were:
1st Max Verstappen Red Bull
2nd Sergio Perez Red Bull
3rd Lewis Hamilton Mercedes.
It was Verstappen who had the straight line advantage of 5.5kph over Lewis Hamilton and if you remember he was in pole position. All that is easily checked.
Now still want to maintain Mercedes is the faster car.
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Strange one that because on the FIA website the speed trap during the race were Lewis at 322.5 and max at 321.7 and perez slower again and the red bull speeds would of been on the softs while Hamiltons would of been on the slower mediums.
Look I ain't saying max is a better driver than lewis because Lewis is far superior than max but this season give max the credit he deserves
Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:11 am
WelshSerb wrote:Sven wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:WelshSerb wrote:castleblue wrote:Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.
People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.
In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.
One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.
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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points
Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship
Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.
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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.
But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up
So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head???![]()
If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced
Although that was very much max fault I completely agree but not really the same when they both crashed out and neither gained a advantage
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Tuggi wrote:The race overall had everything, controversy comparing to the previous races stewarding in which Max was forced to give Lewis a place back twice, one leading to Hamilton backing into him with both drivers to blame in my opinion, as Lewis had no reason to not pass max other than to stay behind until DRS which toto said was definitely not the case. So neck and neck into a bend, Hamilton runs out of track as max darted down the inside, max stayed on the track, Hamilton proceeded to miss the bend and gain a 1.2s advantage by the end of the straight, stewards claim no advantage gained.
The safety car was only called for because of a crash, they didn’t pluck it out of thin air, it was due to a crash, masi didn’t cause the crash or leave debris on the track. The crash didn’t warrant a red flag and so the argument that it should have been red flagged is worse than what happened if we want to call the rules up.
The safety car isn’t the issue, the lapped cars are. Both teams asked for the race not to finish under safety car after incidents causing that in previous races. The other lapped cars should be released under the rules, unless Masi decides against it. The result won’t be overturned, in any court, but I think future proofing it from this should be what Mercedes’ fight for and may be what they are seeking. If they wanted to be totally fair to Mercedes’ they should void that weekends result, but max would still win. You can’t blame max for any of it, Masi made a decision that cost Lewis the win under the safety car, which after the crash was in his eyes the only way the two drivers could “race” to the end. This was neither drivers fault, but unfortunately it was one of them that had to lose out.
The sad thing is there was some great racing on show by Hamilton, who out of the two showed the most nerves with the most to lose. I’m not a Hamilton fan nor Max, but the season has been entertaining for often the wrong reasons this year. The great races between the two is overshadowed by a handful of incidents and decisions
Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:23 pm
castleblue wrote:Tuggi wrote:The race overall had everything, controversy comparing to the previous races stewarding in which Max was forced to give Lewis a place back twice, one leading to Hamilton backing into him with both drivers to blame in my opinion, as Lewis had no reason to not pass max other than to stay behind until DRS which toto said was definitely not the case. So neck and neck into a bend, Hamilton runs out of track as max darted down the inside, max stayed on the track, Hamilton proceeded to miss the bend and gain a 1.2s advantage by the end of the straight, stewards claim no advantage gained.
The safety car was only called for because of a crash, they didn’t pluck it out of thin air, it was due to a crash, masi didn’t cause the crash or leave debris on the track. The crash didn’t warrant a red flag and so the argument that it should have been red flagged is worse than what happened if we want to call the rules up.
The safety car isn’t the issue, the lapped cars are. Both teams asked for the race not to finish under safety car after incidents causing that in previous races. The other lapped cars should be released under the rules, unless Masi decides against it. The result won’t be overturned, in any court, but I think future proofing it from this should be what Mercedes’ fight for and may be what they are seeking. If they wanted to be totally fair to Mercedes’ they should void that weekends result, but max would still win. You can’t blame max for any of it, Masi made a decision that cost Lewis the win under the safety car, which after the crash was in his eyes the only way the two drivers could “race” to the end. This was neither drivers fault, but unfortunately it was one of them that had to lose out.
The sad thing is there was some great racing on show by Hamilton, who out of the two showed the most nerves with the most to lose. I’m not a Hamilton fan nor Max, but the season has been entertaining for often the wrong reasons this year. The great races between the two is overshadowed by a handful of incidents and decisions
Your right when you say the safety car was not the issue and neither was the crash by Lafiti crashing in motorsport is a given but the race director failed to correctly apply the "Safety Car Protocols" and that's the issue. Safety car protocols or "Regulations" are clear the race director had 2 choices ALL cars stay where they are in which case MV has to pass 5 cars before he gets to Lewis Hamilton or let ALL lapped cars un lap each other.
Clearly under pressure from Christian Horner, who was on the radio asking him to "LET THEM RACE" for one last lap, the race director decided to change his decision on at the last second and allow SOME lapped cars past the safety car BUT NOT ALL.
The regulations are quite clear on this if that was his decision then the safety car stays out for one more lap, in this case the FINAL LAP, with Lewis Hamilton in charge of when to press the button on when they start racing, but with no overtaking before the safety car line and around 500-600meters from the SC line to the finishing line it would 99% certain LH wins and is world champion.
By changing his decision and breaking ALL regulations the race director left Lewis Hamilton, as Mark Webber said, inviting him to a gun fight but only giving him a pen knife. In short it was a disgrace and had nothing to do with sport or fairness.
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