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MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:16 am

Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.
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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:25 am

It's being appealed; and rightly so...

Some of those late decisions were criminal and woudd not have happened in any other race (this being the final one)

Max Verstsppen has (currently) been handed the title by the FIA and not through his own 'racing' efforts

Christian Horner gone way down in my estimations this year, too

Their team motto should be "Win at any cost; even our integrity" :oops:

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:47 am

Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:28 am

castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:09 am

WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:00 pm

Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


I’m not a lover of LH but the FIA appear to have broken their own rules.

If that’s the case they have fooled the public and F1 will never be respected again. Any appeal by Thursday will also fail with the FIA who are basically judging themselves.

If it went before the Sport of arbitration then the FIA would lose because that’s why the SOA was set up for, to stop cheating which is what has happened.

Whatever happens MV will always feel it’s a hollow win which it is. Hopefully next season LH will run him off the track when he lunges for an overtake. All in all that decision will prove to be the FIA downfall.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 1:20 pm

I dont do f1, but caught the late 15 laps, and in truth the end result is a complete shambles, letting 5 cars drop out, when it was decided no at 1st stinks, there is no way he would have caught Hamilton especially over what was one lap, with few places to pass easily! I dont care really, but it seems cheating lewis out of the title is ok? Verstappen was elated, but I also hear his team saying with 12 laps to go"we need a miracle from the racing gods" then gets one?? Hmmmmmmm.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 2:07 pm

castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:07 pm

WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head??? :shock:

If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced :roll:

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:53 pm

WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up



No not having that fella in your first post you said LH car had a 10mph advantage on the straights, Really? the fastest part of the track is the back straight and that's where the speed trap is. So just to clear up your confusion the 3 fastest times recorded over the weekend were:

1st Max Verstappen Red Bull
2nd Sergio Perez Red Bull
3rd Lewis Hamilton Mercedes.

It was Verstappen who had the straight line advantage of 5.5kph over Lewis Hamilton and if you remember he was in pole position. All that is easily checked.

Now still want to maintain Mercedes is the faster car.


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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:02 pm

Sven wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head??? :shock:

If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced :roll:


And brake testing Lewis in Qatar Chris. Look Lewis is no angel and can have very wide elbows when he needs them but it annoys me when people don't give him the credit he deserves. Like the fact he drove the 2020 specification car this season because Mercedes have put their money into the new specification car for next season. Red Bull in comparison threw the kitchen sink at their car and in my opinion if Lewis Hamilton was in that Red Bull he would have been WC with 5 or 6 races left.

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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:15 pm

I’m no f1 fan. But as a neutral I was far from enthused with that ending. I was horrified the way they handled that.
Let’s be honest. If that happened in football there would be an almighty uproar.

I don’t care if max was the better driver over the season. If the championship was based on wins only they wouldn’t allow points for other positions.

Fact is Hamilton was 12 seconds clear at the end of a marathon type race but the RD decided to wipe away every advantage he had and leave it to a straight sprint for the line. That’s wrong on many levels. I don’t blame max. He did what he needed to do. But either he should have had 5 back markers to pass or Lewis should have been allowed his 12 second advantage back.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:39 pm

castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up



No not having that fella in your first post you said LH car had a 10mph advantage on the straights, Really? the fastest part of the track is the back straight and that's where the speed trap is. So just to clear up your confusion the 3 fastest times recorded over the weekend were:

1st Max Verstappen Red Bull
2nd Sergio Perez Red Bull
3rd Lewis Hamilton Mercedes.

It was Verstappen who had the straight line advantage of 5.5kph over Lewis Hamilton and if you remember he was in pole position. All that is easily checked.

Now still want to maintain Mercedes is the faster car.


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Strange one that because on the FIA website the speed trap during the race were Lewis at 322.5 and max at 321.7 and perez slower again and the red bull speeds would of been on the softs while Hamiltons would of been on the slower mediums.

Look I ain't saying max is a better driver than lewis because Lewis is far superior than max but this season give max the credit he deserves

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 7:45 pm

Sven wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:



What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


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At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head??? :shock:

If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced :roll:


Although that was very much max fault I completely agree but not really the same when they both crashed out and neither gained a advantage

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 8:36 pm

Not champion in my eyes - a total manipulated sham

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:31 pm

Michael Masi fucked use big time, I’d be surprised if he does a race again. I’m not a Lewis fan really but I felt for him yesterday. He was robbed .masi just made up rules on the spot for entertainment purposes. Should have either been all cars to go through or none not just ones between Lewis and Max. Lewis was a sitting duck.

What they should have done was red flagged it and then have a 5 lap race essentially, both would have been on fresh tyres.

I’ve seen lots of people online saying merc should have pitted , they were 11 seconds ahead would have lost track position and Lewis would have been champion if they stuck to the rules.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:00 pm

WelshSerb wrote:
Sven wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head??? :shock:

If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced :roll:


Although that was very much max fault I completely agree but not really the same when they both crashed out and neither gained a advantage

No advantage? Really??? :shock:

Max 100% knew if Lewis got ahead he would win the race and the Stewards agreed it was avoidable by both drivers but far more by Max than Lewis

I'm a massive F1 (and MotoGP) 'fan' but I'm not a particular Lewis 'fan' (I find much of his politicising hypocritical) but he is a bloody good driver and his trophies attest to that. Has beaten better than Max to get there, too...

As I say (here and elsewhere) it's a balance and when all is said and done the records will show Max Verstappen as a champion but the story of how he got there will be tainted on the eyes of many who witnessed it unfold

F1 has this weekend/season done itself no favours for its future as a viable entity; but hey, it's all about the money rather than the spectacle now :(

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:06 am

I watched the aftermath of this and apologies for not understanding the sport that well but the result sounded totally corrupt. How can someone build up a big lead through all those laps and then some suit say forget the lead you've built let's have a last lap decider.
It just doesn't sound right to me. I keep thinking it's like a team in football being the better team for the majority of the season and going into the last game with an insurmountable lead and then the league say let's have a penalty shoot out to settle it as its more exciting. Again I don't profess to understand but this doesn't seem right.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:04 am

WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up



No not having that fella in your first post you said LH car had a 10mph advantage on the straights, Really? the fastest part of the track is the back straight and that's where the speed trap is. So just to clear up your confusion the 3 fastest times recorded over the weekend were:

1st Max Verstappen Red Bull
2nd Sergio Perez Red Bull
3rd Lewis Hamilton Mercedes.

It was Verstappen who had the straight line advantage of 5.5kph over Lewis Hamilton and if you remember he was in pole position. All that is easily checked.

Now still want to maintain Mercedes is the faster car.


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Strange one that because on the FIA website the speed trap during the race were Lewis at 322.5 and max at 321.7 and perez slower again and the red bull speeds would of been on the softs while Hamiltons would of been on the slower mediums.

Look I ain't saying max is a better driver than lewis because Lewis is far superior than max but this season give max the credit he deserves


I did say they were the fastest times set over the weekend with ALL cars set up in qualifying mode on soft tyres in free practice 2. Race conditions are different because LH had a clear track in front of him whilst Max had to drive in the dirty air off the mercedes. If Max had got clear he would have recorded the fastest speed. Perez showed the pace of the Red Bull by holding up Lewis for a lap.

Lewis and Max were the class of the field this year but Max was gifted a victory "Behind the safety car" in Belgium where the field followed the SC for just 2 laps, take that away and Max beat Lewis 10-9 in victories. Remove Michael Masi on the weekend and follow the rules Lewis wins and beats Max 10-9 and is World Champion.

For me ANY World Championship should be earned but this year it was GIFTED to Max by 2 bad decisions of Michael Masi and that will NEVER sit well with me.

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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:11 am

WelshSerb wrote:
Sven wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
WelshSerb wrote:
castleblue wrote:
Sam ReaN wrote:Max Verstappen won the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix to take the title away from Lewis Hamilton in a final lap finale.
Well done to Max who is a more deserving driver throughout this season. Commiserations to Lewis who took the the title to the very end. But Max had more bad luck than Lewis, provided entertainment and most of all he risked more to win races at all cost. Yes controversially won the race but you can't say it hasn't been a phenomenal f1 2021 season.


Yes a winning AT ALL COSTS is a fantastic sporting value even if that cost is the integrity of sport. I'm not sure what criteria you use to say that Max Verstappen is the more deserving driver perhaps you base it on the FACT that for the first 6 races Red Bull were running the car with an illegal rear wing which handed them a massive advantage or maybe it was his incredible win in Belgium where he just had to follow the safety car for 2 laps to WIN. Perhaps it is the FACT that Red Bull have been allowed to change the configuration of their rear wing between qualifying and the race on multiple occasions saying it needed to be done FOR SAFETY REASONS, once maybe but race after race. Hmm Strange how Christian Horner had no problem about WINNING behind the safety car there but had HUGE problem with Lewis Hamilton winning behind the safety car yesterday.

People claim that Lewis Hamilton only wins because he has the better car but this season that hasn't been the case and it has taken a final lap set up against ALL SPORTING REGULATIONS by the Race Director to hand MV such an advantage there was only going to be one outcome. MV is a fantastic talent but LH is quite simply a phenomenon who despite dominating yesterdays race was left helpless by an unprecedented application of F1 Sporting Regulations regarding safety car protocols.

In footballing terms with a couple of minutes left and with LH winning 1-0 the referee decided to not only cancel out the one goal but award a penalty kick against LH and gift wrap it by not allowing a goal keeper to try and save it.

One final thing I believe that the way LH handled himself in the aftermath of these gruuby events shows him to be pure class and without doubt the F1's GOAT. Can you imagine if this had happened to RB would you have seen that level of dignity from Horner or MV, I think not.


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What you on about this season hasn't been the case? Mercedes has a 10mph advantage on straights please don't be so naive in thinking max had the better car? What happened yesterday was wrong on so many levels but the better driver throughout the season won the championship in the end. More wins more poles and more points

Lewis deserved the race yesterday but Max deserved the championship


Ever heard of horses for courses fella? If you understood anything of F1 you would understand that at least.


:bluescarf: :bluescarf: :bluescarf:


At the end of the day max in a car not as good as the merc won the championship, not in a respected way I admit as ultimately it should of finished under the safety car or at the very least be red flagged.

But also if the mercs didn't take out max twice this season then this race would kinda be irrelevant as max would of already had the title wrapped up

So what about Max literally parking his car on top of Lewis' head??? :shock:

If you are going to make such comments, at least make them balanced :roll:


Although that was very much max fault I completely agree but not really the same when they both crashed out and neither gained a advantage


No advantage :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Lewis had just come out of the pits on medium tyres and MAX is behind him on the hard slower. Only one outcome Lewis is up the road waving "Laters" Max cleaned him out because he knew Lewis would have won that day. A result by the way that would have made him World Champion.


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Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:43 am

f1 was the loser on sunday. any new fans they might have gained have been lost. massi making up the rules is unacceptable, he has to go.
you can’t let only 5 lapped cars unlap themselves, either has to be everyone or none. he deliberately manipulated the result.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:55 pm

Lewis was robbed of his 8th title, but Max is a worthy winner. I dont agree with his racing style, but at least he goes for it.

Lewis and Max and in a league of their own really.

Was a great season, RB had the better car for just over half a season and Merc had to play catch up which is something there not used to.

Its a shame the FIA really fucked it up. BEst decision would of been a red flag, they both would of gone onto the softs and had a 5 lap battle to the end, imagine that would of been epic. I wanted Lewis to win, but the RB is better on the softs so its possible MAx would of won, but at least it would of been fair.

94 days till the new season cant wait, Ferrari should have their new engine, field should be alot closer with the rule changes and fingers cross the racing is better with the new ground effect and not relying on the wings, diffuser, floor and barageboards for everything

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Tue Dec 14, 2021 7:40 pm

The race overall had everything, controversy comparing to the previous races stewarding in which Max was forced to give Lewis a place back twice, one leading to Hamilton backing into him with both drivers to blame in my opinion, as Lewis had no reason to not pass max other than to stay behind until DRS which toto said was definitely not the case. So neck and neck into a bend, Hamilton runs out of track as max darted down the inside, max stayed on the track, Hamilton proceeded to miss the bend and gain a 1.2s advantage by the end of the straight, stewards claim no advantage gained.

The safety car was only called for because of a crash, they didn’t pluck it out of thin air, it was due to a crash, masi didn’t cause the crash or leave debris on the track. The crash didn’t warrant a red flag and so the argument that it should have been red flagged is worse than what happened if we want to call the rules up.

The safety car isn’t the issue, the lapped cars are. Both teams asked for the race not to finish under safety car after incidents causing that in previous races. The other lapped cars should be released under the rules, unless Masi decides against it. The result won’t be overturned, in any court, but I think future proofing it from this should be what Mercedes’ fight for and may be what they are seeking. If they wanted to be totally fair to Mercedes’ they should void that weekends result, but max would still win. You can’t blame max for any of it, Masi made a decision that cost Lewis the win under the safety car, which after the crash was in his eyes the only way the two drivers could “race” to the end. This was neither drivers fault, but unfortunately it was one of them that had to lose out.

The sad thing is there was some great racing on show by Hamilton, who out of the two showed the most nerves with the most to lose. I’m not a Hamilton fan nor Max, but the season has been entertaining for often the wrong reasons this year. The great races between the two is overshadowed by a handful of incidents and decisions

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:09 am

Tuggi wrote:The race overall had everything, controversy comparing to the previous races stewarding in which Max was forced to give Lewis a place back twice, one leading to Hamilton backing into him with both drivers to blame in my opinion, as Lewis had no reason to not pass max other than to stay behind until DRS which toto said was definitely not the case. So neck and neck into a bend, Hamilton runs out of track as max darted down the inside, max stayed on the track, Hamilton proceeded to miss the bend and gain a 1.2s advantage by the end of the straight, stewards claim no advantage gained.

The safety car was only called for because of a crash, they didn’t pluck it out of thin air, it was due to a crash, masi didn’t cause the crash or leave debris on the track. The crash didn’t warrant a red flag and so the argument that it should have been red flagged is worse than what happened if we want to call the rules up.

The safety car isn’t the issue, the lapped cars are. Both teams asked for the race not to finish under safety car after incidents causing that in previous races. The other lapped cars should be released under the rules, unless Masi decides against it. The result won’t be overturned, in any court, but I think future proofing it from this should be what Mercedes’ fight for and may be what they are seeking. If they wanted to be totally fair to Mercedes’ they should void that weekends result, but max would still win. You can’t blame max for any of it, Masi made a decision that cost Lewis the win under the safety car, which after the crash was in his eyes the only way the two drivers could “race” to the end. This was neither drivers fault, but unfortunately it was one of them that had to lose out.

The sad thing is there was some great racing on show by Hamilton, who out of the two showed the most nerves with the most to lose. I’m not a Hamilton fan nor Max, but the season has been entertaining for often the wrong reasons this year. The great races between the two is overshadowed by a handful of incidents and decisions


Your right when you say the safety car was not the issue and neither was the crash by Lafiti crashing in motorsport is a given but the race director failed to correctly apply the "Safety Car Protocols" and that's the issue. Safety car protocols or "Regulations" are clear the race director had 2 choices ALL cars stay where they are in which case MV has to pass 5 cars before he gets to Lewis Hamilton or let ALL lapped cars un lap each other.

Clearly under pressure from Christian Horner, who was on the radio asking him to "LET THEM RACE" for one last lap, the race director decided to change his decision on at the last second and allow SOME lapped cars past the safety car BUT NOT ALL.
The regulations are quite clear on this if that was his decision then the safety car stays out for one more lap, in this case the FINAL LAP, with Lewis Hamilton in charge of when to press the button on when they start racing, but with no overtaking before the safety car line and around 500-600meters from the SC line to the finishing line it would 99% certain LH wins and is world champion.

By changing his decision and breaking ALL regulations the race director left Lewis Hamilton, as Mark Webber said, inviting him to a gun fight but only giving him a pen knife. In short it was a disgrace and had nothing to do with sport or fairness.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:23 pm

castleblue wrote:
Tuggi wrote:The race overall had everything, controversy comparing to the previous races stewarding in which Max was forced to give Lewis a place back twice, one leading to Hamilton backing into him with both drivers to blame in my opinion, as Lewis had no reason to not pass max other than to stay behind until DRS which toto said was definitely not the case. So neck and neck into a bend, Hamilton runs out of track as max darted down the inside, max stayed on the track, Hamilton proceeded to miss the bend and gain a 1.2s advantage by the end of the straight, stewards claim no advantage gained.

The safety car was only called for because of a crash, they didn’t pluck it out of thin air, it was due to a crash, masi didn’t cause the crash or leave debris on the track. The crash didn’t warrant a red flag and so the argument that it should have been red flagged is worse than what happened if we want to call the rules up.

The safety car isn’t the issue, the lapped cars are. Both teams asked for the race not to finish under safety car after incidents causing that in previous races. The other lapped cars should be released under the rules, unless Masi decides against it. The result won’t be overturned, in any court, but I think future proofing it from this should be what Mercedes’ fight for and may be what they are seeking. If they wanted to be totally fair to Mercedes’ they should void that weekends result, but max would still win. You can’t blame max for any of it, Masi made a decision that cost Lewis the win under the safety car, which after the crash was in his eyes the only way the two drivers could “race” to the end. This was neither drivers fault, but unfortunately it was one of them that had to lose out.

The sad thing is there was some great racing on show by Hamilton, who out of the two showed the most nerves with the most to lose. I’m not a Hamilton fan nor Max, but the season has been entertaining for often the wrong reasons this year. The great races between the two is overshadowed by a handful of incidents and decisions


Your right when you say the safety car was not the issue and neither was the crash by Lafiti crashing in motorsport is a given but the race director failed to correctly apply the "Safety Car Protocols" and that's the issue. Safety car protocols or "Regulations" are clear the race director had 2 choices ALL cars stay where they are in which case MV has to pass 5 cars before he gets to Lewis Hamilton or let ALL lapped cars un lap each other.

Clearly under pressure from Christian Horner, who was on the radio asking him to "LET THEM RACE" for one last lap, the race director decided to change his decision on at the last second and allow SOME lapped cars past the safety car BUT NOT ALL.
The regulations are quite clear on this if that was his decision then the safety car stays out for one more lap, in this case the FINAL LAP, with Lewis Hamilton in charge of when to press the button on when they start racing, but with no overtaking before the safety car line and around 500-600meters from the SC line to the finishing line it would 99% certain LH wins and is world champion.

By changing his decision and breaking ALL regulations the race director left Lewis Hamilton, as Mark Webber said, inviting him to a gun fight but only giving him a pen knife. In short it was a disgrace and had nothing to do with sport or fairness.


I'm no f1 fan, nor a lewis fan either, but I watched and listened to what unfolded, and theres no doubt lewis was robbed! In my eyes, to lose z 12 second gap is wrong! Why not say ok, one lap left, but ALL GAPS still apply? Stagger the lap? For me if all looked very contrived, and as a new watcher has put me off completely.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:31 pm

The rules he broke are superseded by the one that immediately follows, which says he has the right to override those rules.

And again with the returning of a gap after the safety car, it’s never ever been done and in previous races, granted not on the last lap, it’s worked the other way around, max hasn’t pitted Lewis has and flown by or skipped a pit stop. It’s always happened and has always been an exciting curve ball thrown, it always has positives and negatives and has always been there. I think this hyped up race was partially to blame and the strong bias to Hamilton by the uk media for obvious reasons, he’s British.

But it’s happened al season, there are other incidents that have happened and none of those were taken to court, this one just seems desperate to me. I can see a change of how the rules are written but if they overturn the result it’ll be complete farce, the only thing that can’t really be argued would be to bull the result but again it was possibly the most hyped finale to a season in a long long time and it’ll do more damage than good to do it

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:02 pm

Not sure how anyone can take car racing seriously. It’s an illusion. Overpaid thrill seekers playing real life scaletrix.
Massaging the egos of kids who can push buttons quicker than others. Whoopy do...
And people watch it - really? Why?
Baseless waste of time and money.

Re: MAX VERSTAPPEN IS CHAMPION OF THE WORLD

Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:11 pm

Max & Lewis both drove very well and it was a worthy season for a title decider. However, Lewis dominated the decider and the way the win was taken from him was scandalous.