Marlon Pack

WHY??
Worse player than Vaulkes and Bacuna
Played everytime he was available in the record City losing sequence - never subbed even when we needed something to be creative and get back into games
Too slow to catch a cold
Sideways sideways back REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT!!!
3 assists for Sheff Utd today
Prob be captain next week WHY???

Can't agree.

Bacuna makes Marlon look like a Balon D'or winner.

Just said the same on Radio Wales phone in. Shocking has no left foot and takes 2 or 3 touches. Lets opposition midfield attackers ghost past like the first for SUFC today. He is absolutely no use with the ball. Even at my age i'd cope with him offensively. Put Raulls with Vaulks and Coldwell we will be 100% more effective

Totally agree, our worst midfielder he seems to get an easy ride from our fans and managers. For someone who's job in the team is to keep the ball he gives it away more than anyone.

He's steeling a living and people who can't see there's a reason our defence looks so exposed needs to rub the sh*t from their eyes.

When we don't have the ball Just MP watch for 10mins you'll really see how late on everything he is.

Then he commits himself and exposes our back line time after time.

He blames everyone else with being vocal and looking like he's a leader. All smoke and mirrors!!

The way he was caught out for both their 1st and 2nd goals you wouldn't see on the parks!!

I can't believe people used to moan about Gunnerson!!

Vaulks, Bacuna, Ralls and Pack.

Probably the most ineffective and slowest midfield in the division.

I’d try and keep Ralls and let Vaulks and Pack go and if possible sell Bacuna until that midfield is sorted the defence will struggle and the attack will suffer.

Vaulks, Bacuna, Ralls and Pack.

Probably the most ineffective and slowest midfield in the division.

I’d try and keep Ralls and let Vaulks and Pack go and if possible sell Bacuna until that midfield is sorted the defence will struggle and the attack will suffer.

Sell Bacuna?

Surely now that Warnock is out of a job there won't be any other manager willing to pay either a transfer fee or Bacuna's wages .

We are stuck with him unfortunately for the remainder of his seventeen year contract.

Maybe we can get rid of him and Vassell on a "buy one get one free" offer.

Useless and has got three managers sacked. He really does nothing well apart from allow his opposite number to look like Messi. He is not that great a passer, go on think in the two and a half seasons you have seen a defense splitting pass that resulted in a goal. And to be a slow and unmobile as he is we need to see a Whitts type long pass every game.

Gunnar lost his pace and mobility but he used his experience and football sense to organise the defence and always be in the right position to snuff out trouble and still managed to knock in the odd decent pass

I honestly believe Bacuna would do a better job.

He's steeling a living and people who can't see there's a reason our defence looks so exposed needs to rub the sh*t from their eyes.

When we don't have the ball Just MP watch for 10mins you'll really see how late on everything he is.

Then he commits himself and exposes our back line time after time.

He blames everyone else with being vocal and looking like he's a leader. All smoke and mirrors!!

The way he was caught out for both their 1st and 2nd goals you wouldn't see on the parks!!

I can't believe people used to moan about Gunnerson!!

Completely agree. I can't comprehend how anyone playing this position simply can't/ doesn't tackle. Opponents go past him as if he isn't there.

Useless and has got three managers sacked. He really does nothing well apart from allow his opposite number to look like Messi. He is not that great a passer, go on think in the two and a half seasons you have seen a defense splitting pass that resulted in a goal. And to be a slow and unmobile as he is we need to see a Whitts type long pass every game.

Gunnar lost his pace and mobility but he used his experience and football sense to organise the defence and always be in the right position to snuff out trouble and still managed to knock in the odd decent pass

I honestly believe Bacuna would do a better job.

He set up Wilson with a defence splitting pass last season. This was during that great run under Mick.

I remember some chap in the Libs club telling me Gunner was rubbish before a match,I said you watch how much we miss him when he is gone,I believe I was proved to be correct.

I remember some chap in the Libs club telling me Gunner was rubbish before a match,I said you watch how much we miss him when he is gone,I believe I was proved to be correct.

WHY??
Worse player than Vaulkes and Bacuna
Played everytime he was available in the record City losing sequence - never subbed even when we needed something to be creative and get back into games
Too slow to catch a cold
Sideways sideways back REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT!!!
3 assists for Sheff Utd today
Prob be captain next week WHY???

Nice try but city possess 2 players even worse than him - messrs Bacuna & Vaulks.
Mind you he’d probably beat Morrison in a one on one sprint

I am coming around to thinking that Pack has had his day. I thought he'd be OK in a team trying to pass the ball but now I'm not so sure about that in midfield. However, if we are really committed to playing out from the back why not play him as one of the 3 centre backs ?

He would have more time on the ball and he can certainly pick a pass which is one up on Nelson, Morrison or Flint. He did play there a couple of times last season and looked pretty good. He's certainly not any slower than those 3 and with him and McGuinness as 2 of the 3 centre backs you could get away with playing someone like Morrison or Flint then.

Just one thing. Whilst Pack has been poor, Ralls was no better on Saturday apart from his corners.

He was too slow in releasing the ball which is why Harris, Davies and Giles hardly got involved in the 1st half. In recent games we've been much better in getting the ball wide early so that it's one on one on the fullbacks but Ralls and Pack were too ponderous.

I don't want too many youngsters in the team at once but I do wonder whether it's worth giving Patten from the U23s a go. It may be too early and could be a step too far but at U23 level he has the look of a Kavanagh about him in the way he can tackle, drive forward and has a decent shot on him.

I think most would agree that CM is our weakest area at the moment (particularly until Wyntle comes back) so why not give Patten a few minutes to see if he's close.

Agree that Ralls was as average as I’ve been accustomed to watching him over the years.
I’d get shot of Pack Ralls and Vaulks and just hope someone wants Bacuna as he’s still unfortunately got a season left.
It’s a shame Bowen has been injured.

Different Saturday …. Same story Mr Pack with another ‘assist’, this time for Brums second goal
ie he is almost ‘running’ in front of the scoroer and in the blink of an eye he is a yard behind him when he slots home!

I would take bacuna over pack every day of the week. Pack is an embarrassment

Marlon Pack played everytime and every minute in our record losing run. He was never subbed, i think Morrison is beginning to see the light. He “finally” subs Pack and we look more postive, definitely more energetic and pass forward more feom midfield. The last 20 mins we looked a diff team. Add to that Isaac Davies was diff class. Imo our most promising younster- need to keep hold of him.

Different Saturday …. Same story Mr Pack with another ‘assist’, this time for Brums second goal
ie he is almost ‘running’ in front of the scoroer and in the blink of an eye he is a yard behind him when he slots home!

Have you mentioned Perry NGs diabolical defending anywhere on this message board to ensure fairness? The reason I ask is that some fans seem to love a scapegoat and constantly highlight areas of improvement on certain players.

Also, for the second goal, I’d be questioning why none out of the 3 centre backs were in situ, especially as it’s such a pivotal position and a central midfielder is the only one tracking back.

I am not a great fan of Pack and i have been a critic of him in the past but lets not make be too unfair to him. Before we went on the losing run he was one of our best players. He played 250 games for the Worzels in six seasons of which most of them were in the championship. He was also their captain. You don't have that sort of record if you cant play. The trouble is we have no creativity in midfield and that's down to the previous managers.

Maybe you are correct and I am being too harsh on him. Its just that I think other fans tend to scapegoat midfielders who at least
Try to go forward.
Trying to play quickly and positively from midfield leaves you wide open to criticism when it goes wrong. If you just control the ball and play it slowly sideways ir back your “efforts” tend not to be noticed. You escape criticism.
I think if he was a strong defensive midfielder then it might be ok. But he doesnt defend particularly well either.For the second goal (which came almost immediately following from Packs long throw), I agree he did track back. But when theball goes to the wing Pack looks over his shoulder and sees the scorer. He then makes no attempt to keep ahead of him and leaves him run past as he runstowards the near post area. It was as if the scorer was a pacey young forward.
But as you say, perhaps I am a bit too harsh. I have no doubt that he is trying his best and the managers think he deserves to start. But this is a forum for opinions- the above is mine.

Bristol let a 27 year old CM leave for a local divisional rival. They most have thought they had seen his best years.

Footballers peak at different times, my guess was they thought he was on the downgrade. Its not for the want of trying he just offers no cover because whatever pace he had has disappeared.He runs as if he is running through treacle. He will always leave the back 3 vulnerable, as he is the base of the double pivot and he doesn't have the mobility to play further upfield.

I don't think the back 3 helps him either. The space between the 3 centre halfs if frightening and when you consider one or even two of them are just as slow and turn slower than oil tankers, no wonder we get done on the transition.

He has good close control and I bet he is a star in the small pitch one touch 5 a sides training games, but they are also professional athletes and you need to be exceptionally gifted footballer to get away with not being a good athlete in the championship, and i don't think he is.

I would prefer for us to go 4231, so it Ralls and one other, I just don't think its Marlon.

People keep focusing on what a player does on the ball that counts when they give an opinion. For me it's far more important what a player does off the ball that matters.

97% of time Marlon Pack won't have possession of the ball.

Unfortunately I agree with above I think he's 100% lost a yard of pace.

Just because you can run a bleep test doesn't mean your going to have the pace and power required.

For me the worst part of MP game is his reading of danger and positional play, its so poor.

Like I said before Gunnerson lost plenty of speed but improved on his reading of the game which meant he continued to be able to play the role for both us and Iceland.

Watch the goals vs Sheff U as an example. He's noticing the danger a second late and then committing himself and getting done.

Or like today he's following his man but can't keep up with him.

For me it's no coincidence that when MM went on that big run and we didn't concede many, MP didn't play.

Fast forward this season we've conceded for fun and he's the ever present fixture in that midfield.

Wake up and smell the coffee he doesn't have legs for this position. Ralls and take your pick of any of the others over him for me

Vaulks, Bacuna, Ralls and Pack.

Probably the most ineffective and slowest midfield in the division.

I don't know why that statement made me laugh a lot, and I know it shouldn't, but it does it's like the scouts forgot to check the acceleration and pace stats on football manager before they buy