Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:20 pm
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:49 pm
Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:51 pm
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:08 pm
davids wrote:It's great to see youngsters come through as Annis says but I'd be happier if I thought that it was part of a genuine attempt to integrate the very best talents from the academy on a gradual basis.
To bring one or two of the best through at a time whilst also identifying areas where the team needs strengthening and buying or loaning appropriately (huge fees would not be needed for this) would be a strategy that would be acceptable to most I would imagine.
However, the apparent unwillingness to buy or loan any experienced players and the number of youngsters being "fast tracked" into the first team squad and first team seems to me to be much more due to cost cutting than any genuine desire to see that the youngsters are integrated properly into the squad.
I'm not sure that at the moment the club is "reaping the benefits" of all these youngsters. Hopefully in the future some or indeed all of them will turn into the players we hope they will but that is some way off. At the moment they are learning their trade at a club which, make no mistake, is in trouble at the foot of the table.
That in itself could be a hindrance in their development.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:25 pm
davids wrote:It's great to see youngsters come through as Annis says but I'd be happier if I thought that it was part of a genuine attempt to integrate the very best talents from the academy on a gradual basis.
To bring one or two of the best through at a time whilst also identifying areas where the team needs strengthening and buying or loaning appropriately (huge fees would not be needed for this) would be a strategy that would be acceptable to most I would imagine.
However, the apparent unwillingness to buy or loan any experienced players and the number of youngsters being "fast tracked" into the first team squad and first team seems to me to be much more due to cost cutting than any genuine desire to see that the youngsters are integrated properly into the squad.
I'm not sure that at the moment the club is "reaping the benefits" of all these youngsters. Hopefully in the future some or indeed all of them will turn into the players we hope they will but that is some way off. At the moment they are learning their trade at a club which, make no mistake, is in trouble at the foot of the table.
That in itself could be a hindrance in their development.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:42 pm
Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:25 pm
GaerBlue wrote:davids wrote:It's great to see youngsters come through as Annis says but I'd be happier if I thought that it was part of a genuine attempt to integrate the very best talents from the academy on a gradual basis.
To bring one or two of the best through at a time whilst also identifying areas where the team needs strengthening and buying or loaning appropriately (huge fees would not be needed for this) would be a strategy that would be acceptable to most I would imagine.
However, the apparent unwillingness to buy or loan any experienced players and the number of youngsters being "fast tracked" into the first team squad and first team seems to me to be much more due to cost cutting than any genuine desire to see that the youngsters are integrated properly into the squad.
I'm not sure that at the moment the club is "reaping the benefits" of all these youngsters. Hopefully in the future some or indeed all of them will turn into the players we hope they will but that is some way off. At the moment they are learning their trade at a club which, make no mistake, is in trouble at the foot of the table.
That in itself could be a hindrance in their development.
Agreed, there is no point just throwing the youngsters in without the right experience around them. I like what other clubs, including Swansea, are doing by bringing in experienced pros into the U23 set-up. Why aren’t we doing more to bring ex-players like Earnie (one of if not the most natural finisher I’ve seen down the city), Ledley etc to show the youngsters what to expect, especially as they are City fans.
It’s as if these players are being set up to fail. Colwill will be sold to someone like Coventry or Bristol City in a year or so where he will thrive in a system that utilises his strengths.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:33 pm
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Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:30 pm
1980s Bluebird wrote:Is it VT aim to develop them get them playing in Championship and then sell them on to get his money back?
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:37 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:1980s Bluebird wrote:Is it VT aim to develop them get them playing in Championship and then sell them on to get his money back?
I think so.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:57 pm
by pembroke allan » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:37 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:
Is it VT aim to develop them get them playing in Championship and then sell them on to get his money back?
I think so.
Bit of a waste of time be surprised get 6m for the 3 of them that are in 1st team at moment...then need to try get another couple in 1st team and try sell them? If of course we are not relegated before manage to sell them then value is zilch! They will only have value if we are doing well otherwise worth peanuts in context of paying tan back.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:02 pm
Mike Strinati wrote:I think Warnock got it right. Bigger squad to choose from and better players in front of them. Now McCarthy has got a bare squad and hasn’t really got an option not to play the youngsters.
Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:25 pm
Scoularite wrote:by pembroke allan » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:37 pm
Bakedalasker wrote:
1980s Bluebird wrote:
Is it VT aim to develop them get them playing in Championship and then sell them on to get his money back?
I think so.
Bit of a waste of time be surprised get 6m for the 3 of them that are in 1st team at moment...then need to try get another couple in 1st team and try sell them? If of course we are not relegated before manage to sell them then value is zilch! They will only have value if we are doing well otherwise worth peanuts in context of paying tan back.
I thought that I had read on the forum a while ago that we were using so many of our youngsters this year because of the FFP rules in order to avoid any points deductions? As I don't know that much about the FFP rules, is that the case or not?
Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:56 pm
by pembroke allan » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:25 pm
Depends on what you believe ..... we are certainly cost cutting but only way to make club fall inside ffp is not to have players on our books like Tomlin ? Playing youngsters got nothing to do with ffp... ffp is to do with wages ect against income so getting rid Tomlin helped as did the others going at beginning of season....... but still got other big money signings on books.... youngsters are on peanuts if you believe what was said on here so that's only reason it helps ffp .....
Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:15 am
Scoularite wrote:by pembroke allan » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:25 pm
Depends on what you believe ..... we are certainly cost cutting but only way to make club fall inside ffp is not to have players on our books like Tomlin ? Playing youngsters got nothing to do with ffp... ffp is to do with wages ect against income so getting rid Tomlin helped as did the others going at beginning of season....... but still got other big money signings on books.... youngsters are on peanuts if you believe what was said on here so that's only reason it helps ffp .....
So presumably Mick's squad has had to have the youngsters in it because of ffp, but with Tomlin going we may have a chance to bring in more creativity as long as paying less than for Tomlin?
Fri Oct 15, 2021 6:14 am