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Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Cardiff

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:02 am

Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Cardiff City situation that is not fair on anyone

There is a hot topic of discussion currently raging within the Bluebirds fan base but Mick McCarthy seems reluctant to resolve it

By Glen Williams

Tuesday 5th October 2021



The added irony of Junior Hoilett scoring the winner for Reading against Cardiff City last weekend was that the player who has replaced him in the Bluebirds' side is Leandro Bacuna, a midfielder playing out of position and who is woefully out of form.

McCarthy insisted he had all positions covered and strength in depth.

Mick McCarthy allowed Hoilett, Sheyi Ojo, Josh Murphy and Gavin Whyte to leave the club in the summer, with only Ryan Giles brought in to prop up the wide options.

More is expected this season from Mark Harris and Rubin Colwill, of course, but it is logical to think that McCarthy did not add any other wingers because he believed Bacuna to be a genuine wing option this season.

Indeed, when the question was put to McCarthy last week that only Colwill and Kieffer Moore had scored out of his natural forward players, the manager replied: "Well Leo scored, didn't he? Leo Bacuna scored at Blackpool. Not that I can roll off a litany of names that scored, but I might as well give him a mention because he did."



That quite clearly suggests that McCarthy believes Bacuna to be a forward player, which will no doubt be of some concern to Cardiff fans.

Save Bacuna's brace in the 4-0 triumph over Derby County last season, fans will be hard-pressed to see any evidence over the last two-and-a-half years that he should form the cornerstone of a Cardiff front three.

This all stems from Mick McCarthy's initial feelings when he saw Bacuna on the training ground early on in his Bluebirds tenure.



Back in March, Bacuna recalled an early meeting with the manager when he said: "He came to me in the beginning and asked me, 'What is your favourite position? I'm not seeing you as a right-back!'

"I told him I was a midfielder, a No.6 or a No.8.

"He turned around and he said to me, 'I see you more as an advanced player, I think you've got the skills to score goals.'"



The seed was sown for McCarthy and Bacuna has operated as a playmaker or winger ever since, much to the frustration of Cardiff supporters.

And maybe even Bacuna himself. He told McCarthy where he preferred to play, as a deep-lying or box-to-box midfielder, and I think we are on safe ground here by saying that is what the vast majority of Cardiff fans see him as, too.

For so long under McCarthy's predecessor Neil Harris, Bacuna played as a makeshift right-back owing to a dearth of options. Harris made clear that he opted to strengthen the top end of the pitch when he brought in Ojo and Harry Wilson and conceded it was perhaps an oversight to neglect the right-back position. Although he later revealed he had tried to sign Perry Ng during that time, too.

Bacuna was drafted in to play there with a lack of suitable options to do so.

The difference now, of course, is that Cardiff do have other, more natural, options to fill in the void left by the winger cull in the summer.

Mark Harris has come on great strides this season but is still not seeing the game-time he would likely desire, while Colwill is having to settle for impact outings from the bench.

Indeed, Paul Abbandonato hit the nail on its head on Sunday, writing: "McCarthy's ongoing stubbornness in picking Leandro Bacuna as a wide forward player is badly thought out, angering fans and hindering the team.

"McCarthy's predecessor Neil Harris copped plenty of flak for consistently picking Bacuna as a right-back, but McCarthy choosing him in what should be a creative role is even worse.

"And it is not fair on Bacuna either, whose substitution against Reading was cheered by the home fans and who former Wales striker turned pundit Iwan Roberts claims should never play for the club again.

"Bacuna simply doesn't have the flair needed to create or threaten from the forward positions, can't drop a shoulder, jink and go past a man and at times he slows down Bluebirds attempts at quick football to open up opposition defences.

"Bacuna's strengths are more as a central midfield player, where he could offer legs, energy and enable Cardiff get to more second balls, not as a creative force."

A stop-gap for Harris, wrongly a wide player for McCarthy but, ultimately, Bacuna is playing out of position.

The best stretch he had in the side was at the start of the 2019/20 season, towards the end of Neil Warnock's reign, when he was playing week in, week out in the middle of the park and offered something different in there. He is the quickest of Cardiff's midfielders, he has the ability to run with the ball at pace and can also get back and defend.

One Friday night encounter against Derby County at Pride Park sticks out in 2019 when, after a difficult week in which he lost his good friend and Curacao team-mate Jairzinho Pieter, he put in a stellar display during a 1-1 draw.

It was thought that was going to be the performance that would potentially kickstart his Bluebirds career, but he has not been afforded a consistent stretch in there to do so.


That position, ironically, is where Cardiff could do with a point of difference, given the similarities Marlon Pack, Joe Ralls, Will Vaulks and Sam Bowen all share.

Bacuna is out of form, there is no two ways about it, but it does not help that he is being asked to do something for which he does not possess all the weaponry.

He has become something of a lightning rod for vitriol from both the terraces and pundits, with former Wales and Norwich City striker Iwan Roberts claiming he should never play for Cardiff City again after his display against West Brom in midweek.

"Bacuna I don't think should ever play for Cardiff again," Roberts claimed after the West Brom defeat.

"If that's all it takes to be a professional footballer, to go through the motions as he did – he wasn't the only one in that second half.

"Gabs [former Cardiff defender Danny Gabbidon], we could still play, if that's all that's required of you. We could still be playing. He didn't try a leg in that second half."

Some might think that is out of order given the few mitigating circumstances outlined above, others think it's spot on such is the divisive nature of Bacuna's form.

The point is that Cardiff's options are thin on the ground at the minute. Bacuna is one of the senior pros and a lot is expected of him this season.

He is not delivering but perhaps it is unfair to expect him to deliver when he is operating in a position in which he himself has said is not his preferred one.

It is a vicious cycle and one from which no one benefits.

But if he were to be used in his proper position he could still be a real asset in helping Cardiff dig themselves out of this deepening hole this term.
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Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:26 am

It's not very often I would say this but I have to agree with this Wales On Line article.

Bacuna is, was and never will be, a forward/creative player.

His best position is in central midfield alongside Pack, providing mobility and cover.

This is part of the problem I've got with McCarthy. He doesn't pick a team that plays to the strengths of the players he has at his disposal.

Whilst our squad is limited there is enough ability in there to make us very difficult to beat but you have to pick the best 11 not the best 11 players.

Morrison and Flint would walk into most Championship teams, but not together. They are too similar, brilliant at dominating both boxes but neither has pace nor can they pass so they can't play as a pair. Even if MM is trying to get away with this by playing 3 centre backs he then picks Nelson too ! He isn't much quicker and can't pass. Surely anyone can see that if you stick with 3 CBs one of them has to be McGuinness who is quicker and can certainly pass the ball. He should also be part of any CB pairing if we moved away from the 3 CBs for the same reasons.

McCarthy needs to make some strong decisions and, maybe, some experienced players will have to be dropped but unless he does that we'll just lurch from one poor run to another as teams suss out our weaknesses and adapt.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:12 am

I know things are bad when I find myself agreeing with Glen Williams.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:38 am

It’s a good article and nice to see the local press actually challenging the club/manager for a change.

Bacuna played in midfield for us for a number of games (think it was when we got to the play offs) and I thought he looked really decent there v what we had. Much more energy, snapping into tackles and want t go forward - his passing started to go wrong and we have barely seen him there since.

Mick does seem to have this tendency to play players out of position which is just weakening the whole set up - Bacuna up top, Colwill on the wing, centre backs and wings back or left/right sided defenders, Sang always a RB but never in his preferred midfield position.

Of course the squad is weaker, but don’t make it weaker by putting round pegs in square holes.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:57 am

Mick trust's his senior pro's. It's how he works. He is trying to get a system that gets as many on the pitch at once but it's not working. You can huff and puff in the championship but we just don't have the guile to score in open play.


Football Managers are the problem, its from a bygone era when they were the general manager. Its a multi million pound industry trusted to an outsider who may only be with the club a few months. We need a DoF.

The squad is massively imbalanced

Centre half -Any 2 from 5 Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Brown, McGuiness then NG and Vaulks could play there if needed
Full back NG and Bagan (thats it)

Centre Midefield - Ralls, Pack, Vaulks,Bacuna now Bowen but probably Sang, Wintle out on loan
Wide forward - Harris (Giles on loan)

C/Forward Moore with Collins as back up

Its a mess of a squad and it should never be the manager who buys players. We get a first-team coach who can work within our "philosphy". He may say i need a left-footed wide forward and the recruitment team go and find one who fits our profile. If the first team coach doesn't want to work within that structure then he can find another club.

Watford do this and it doesn't affect them. When we do it we hand the keys to the house over as well. Their owners are football people,we just need to find a Dof to oversee the culture of our club. We all know about Malky, Ole bought from his agent, Warnocks son is an agent, surely in 2021 a different compliance team look after that side of the business, its bazaar to me.

Mick either trusts the kids or we go down. Its Hobsons choice really

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:31 pm

by llan bluebird » Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:57 am

Mick trust's his senior pro's. It's how he works. He is trying to get a system that gets as many on the pitch at once but it's not working. You can huff and puff in the championship but we just don't have the guile to score in open play.


Football Managers are the problem, its from a bygone era when they were the general manager. Its a multi million pound industry trusted to an outsider who may only be with the club a few months. We need a DoF.

The squad is massively imbalanced

Centre half -Any 2 from 5 Morrison, Flint, Nelson, Brown, McGuiness then NG and Vaulks could play there if needed
Full back NG and Bagan (thats it)

Centre Midefield - Ralls, Pack, Vaulks,Bacuna now Bowen but probably Sang, Wintle out on loan
Wide forward - Harris (Giles on loan)

C/Forward Moore with Collins as back up

Its a mess of a squad and it should never be the manager who buys players. We get a first-team coach who can work within our "philosphy". He may say i need a left-footed wide forward and the recruitment team go and find one who fits our profile. If the first team coach doesn't want to work within that structure then he can find another club.

Watford do this and it doesn't affect them. When we do it we hand the keys to the house over as well. Their owners are football people,we just need to find a Dof to oversee the culture of our club. We all know about Malky, Ole bought from his agent, Warnocks son is an agent, surely in 2021 a different compliance team look after that side of the business, its bazaar to me.

Mick either trusts the kids or we go down. Its Hobsons choice really


Very good analysis - our squad is crazy with a striker who can score goals if given decent crosses and through balls, but only Giles is currently capable of providing any such service, so makes it far easier for teams to defend against.
- each new manager is inheriting real problems from previous managers that makes running the team even more difficult with a lack of available funding as a starter, so it is difficult to change the playing style.
- our board appears to be clueless and their "current strategy" of using the youngsters could both get us into a relegation battle and ruin the youngster's chances of developing as they should. The norm is to bring one or two through gradually with experienced support around them, but our current approach seems to be to just throw them into the deep end. Just look at Wolves where Giles goes out to get experience yet is currently our star midfielder.

So please get a director of football that can manage our way of playing on a long-term basis.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:22 pm

It’s just more sound bite bullshit from Glenn.. he should give it up, or wouldn’t be there if he had an Editor.

McCarthy didn’t let all those players go.. that is a lie. Guys full of crap.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:20 am

I actually feel a bit bad for bacuna being played out of position constantly and made to look a mug.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:00 am

by nubbsy » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:20 am

I actually feel a bit bad for bacuna being played out of position constantly and made to look a mug.


Me too. Fans having a go at him when he shouldn't be playing there in the first place.

Re: Out of position, out of form and out of order – The Card

Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:23 am

Bacunas best position by far is left back in the dressing room as they used to say