Simon Jordan on Cardiff

It’s hard to disagree with much what he says,

Simon Jordon:

"I don't ever like to hear fans singing 'you're getting sacked in the morning' because it's very easy to fire managers. It's a lot more difficult to replace them. Look at the underlying fabric of Cardiff, I don't think it's a stable football club in terms of football nous behind it as perhaps some people might think it is. Whoever you put in there, you know.”

“ Neil Warnock got them promoted. I know he had terrible battles with the ownership to get decent support in the Premier League. They got relegated, they couldn't get back out again. He's an experienced operator. They bring in Neil Harris, Neil Harris is not an experienced operator, he can't find a solution to it. You bring a guy in who has got teams like Wolverhampton Wanderers promoted, who put Ipswich in good nick most of the time and after his departure they've declined.

“Got them back on their feet and he's now struggling. You've got to look and say 'what's the common denominator?' The ownership."





Jordan's suggestion of appointing a football man to the board, with a vested interest in the club's ambitions and short-term and long-term goals, is something which actually needs to be addressed, not just spoken about perennially without action.


What is the end game?

What will the squad look like in two seasons' time?

What style and philosophy will drive the club forward? What are the actual goals for this season? Will the club be "very disappointed" if they are not in the top six by January like last season? Or have the goalposts shifted?

There is little clarity at the minute and, of course, things get heightened after a poor run of results.

Dont agree with the comments on MM but valid points on our owner.

Perhaps best summed up when he asks about managers relatively failing at the club.

You have to look at the owner.

very true when he says its a club that doesn't seem to want to push on

very true when he says its a club that doesn't seem to want to push on

also a club that does not know what it wants to be. He is wrong there, Tan want Premier league on peanuts outlay.

I was in the canton stand on Tuesday evening..I didn't sing your getting sacked in the morning as I chose not to despite the frustration of watching that dross..but I can understand some of the fans venting their frustration..Simon Jordan doesn't have to shell out his hard earned money to watch that crap but his other points regarding the board are very valid

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Completely agree.

Wish I had the time to put up some people’s posts about Mick after that run of wins when he took over.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Absolutely spot on Ian

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Not sure I agree with that. As far as I can see the only two high earners who have been unloaded are Bennett and Murphy. In Bennett's case he is missed but not really Murphy who can't even get in Preston's side at the moment and in any event is worse than Giles.

As far as I can see with Giles in for Murphy and the admittedly misfiring Collins providing cover for Moore not to mention the youngsters coming through we are a stronger squad then last season it just that MM is hopeless at getting the best out of them that is why he needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Not sure I agree with that. As far as I can see the only two high earners who have been unloaded are Bennett and Murphy. In Bennett's case he is missed but not really Murphy who can't even get in Preston's side at the moment and in any event is worse than Giles.

As far as I can see with Giles in for Murphy and the admittedly misfiring Collins providing cover for Moore not to mention the youngsters coming through we are a stronger squad then last season it just that MM is hopeless at getting the best out of them that is why he needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

Harry Wilson is a big loss.

As much as it was said on here he didn’t do a lot. With what he had to play with he did quite a bit.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Of course it does in your eyes.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Of course it does in your eyes.

And everyone else except you.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

I didnt want mick as manager but thought he deserved his contract. I reluctantly accepted the fact that the football might be poor but at least we would be organised and hard to beat. I'll support any manager until I think he is not taking the club forward. Mick looks like he has lost the plot lately. The club are also putting an emphasis on youth with a manager playing the worst football I have ever seen that couldn't be further away from getting the best out of the youngsters. He needs to go now.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Of course it does in your eyes.

Wouldn't bother arguing with anyone about this because if we got in klopp and bale ramsey there are those on here who would not give credit to the club no matter what!! but anything go wrong its nobody's fault except the hyarchy
Yes they've got a lot wrong but found you cannot argue against anyone who as a blind dislike
for something simply a waste of time... only need to look around forum to see that...

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

Of course it does in your eyes.

And everyone else except you.

Not just me Ian. Not even close.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

I didnt want mick as manager but thought he deserved his contract. I reluctantly accepted the fact that the football might be poor but at least we would be organised and hard to beat. I'll support any manager until I think he is not taking the club forward. Mick looks like he has lost the plot lately. The club are also putting an emphasis on youth with a manager playing the worst football I have ever seen that couldn't be further away from getting the best out of the youngsters. He needs to go now.

Agree. Steve Morison would be a class shout.

Good to see people catching on.

The people who run our club have no idea about football.

All I'll say about Simon Jordan and anyone else on TalkSport is that it's probably not what they even think.

Stopped listening years ago because all they do is try and create controversial conversations for the sake of it.

It's why they often say controversial things, just to try and create controversy for no reason.

BT Sport are exactly the same.


You'll get far better discussions on Radio 5 Live and after a game on Sky.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

The club clearly has a budget to work to - and that budget is reduced as PP payments gone and lack of income due to COVID. The later is the same for all clubs and there are clubs with worse budgets doing better - so let’s be clear, this isn’t all about the money.

But let’s assume it is - last season Mick didn’t play some of our more creative players. Junior hardly got a look in, Ojo started under him and then got less time, he got Williams in…and then never played him. Murphy didn’t start a game this season - he decided a defensive midfielder was a better option up front.

Wilson and Ojo were never ours to keep - they were only ever here for 12 months. Cunningham has gone - he never played. Glatzel has gone - people didn’t rate him. Junior and Sol have gone - both I would have liked to stay, but both over 30 and Mick didn’t play Junior.

If MM isn’t going to play these players, why would the board waste money giving them new contracts when the budget is already low and having to be cut.

The board didn’t make Mick pick 5 CBs on Tuesday, along with 3 DM and Giles who is technically a left wing back. The board aren’t making Mick play a style of football where ball goes from back to front in one hoof. The board aren’t making him play Bacuna every week despite him showing nothing.

we don’t have the quality of some other teams, so we have to fight and battle. The last few games, every team has out battled us - that is down to the coaching. Mick lost that game Tuesday before kick off with that team selection - he has been responsible for stripping the creativity from this side…and Ipswich fans will tell you that and it is a wrench to watch.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

The club clearly has a budget to work to - and that budget is reduced as PP payments gone and lack of income due to COVID. The later is the same for all clubs and there are clubs with worse budgets doing better - so let’s be clear, this isn’t all about the money.

But let’s assume it is - last season Mick didn’t play some of our more creative players. Junior hardly got a look in, Ojo started under him and then got less time, he got Williams in…and then never played him. Murphy didn’t start a game this season - he decided a defensive midfielder was a better option up front.

Wilson and Ojo were never ours to keep - they were only ever here for 12 months. Cunningham has gone - he never played. Glatzel has gone - people didn’t rate him. Junior and Sol have gone - both I would have liked to stay, but both over 30 and Mick didn’t play Junior.

If MM isn’t going to play these players, why would the board waste money giving them new contracts when the budget is already low and having to be cut.

The board didn’t make Mick pick 5 CBs on Tuesday, along with 3 DM and Giles who is technically a left wing back. The board aren’t making Mick play a style of football where ball goes from back to front in one hoof. The board aren’t making him play Bacuna every week despite him showing nothing.

we don’t have the quality of some other teams, so we have to fight and battle. The last few games, every team has out battled us - that is down to the coaching. Mick lost that game Tuesday before kick off with that team selection - he has been responsible for stripping the creativity from this side…and Ipswich fans will tell you that and it is a wrench to watch.

Have to say, a very well written post sir!!

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

I have to agree here but there are parts of Crayfish' post that could be considered fair points, i.e. the usual suspects on here lauded him during the initial run of games (up to the contract) and only weeks later were calling for his head

I can see where the more thoughtful ones were coming from, it's a results business, but equally there are clear reasons why I feel the so-called Committee have left him hang out to dry a little with their silence

I'm not going to condemn the Committee for the financial aspects, as I don't know the full facts surrounding them; but it does seem they are not making the right decisions that will help drive this club forward rather than treading water (and even that isn't a guarantee right now)


I like Simon Jordan as a pundit. He says it as he sees it, is pretty open and has the advantage of an owner's view through experience...

Again, for me, this is the telling statement he made that gives a fair bit away about the atmosphere and attitude at the club before, during and after our last visit to the Premier League under Neil ap Warnock

Quote: "Neil Warnock got them promoted. I know he had terrible battles with the ownership to get decent support in the Premier League"

That speaks volumes to me and it just reinforces my recent comment that we were promoted almost accidentally through the nouse of one Neil ap Warnock rather than be actual design (remember he was brought in to pull us away from the relegation battle)

It will fall on deaf ears but I can only reiterate my previous call for the man at the top, Mr Vincent Tan, to clarify the whole situation by making a statement of intent

I cannot really work out what is going on, the continued inclusion of Bacuna astounds me, maybe he has something in his contract that he has to play a certain amount games, Phillips though not that bad is now where near as good as Smithies but maybe Smithies playing bonus is higher?

Its all a mess tbh, Is Tomlin still injured? or just cast out by MM. We have got to be the slowest team in the league and I can only seeing us drop down the table.

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

Well MM came in, did the job with a better squad than he has now and deserved the contract.

He is now doing what the board want and that being offload the high wagers and bring the fringe players in. The more fringe players the better. He is only following orders. Unfortunately we are finding out is looks like its not going to work.

So who take the crux of the blame here? The buck stops at the top.

I have to agree here but there are parts of Crayfish' post that could be considered fair points, i.e. the usual suspects on here lauded him during the initial run of games (up to the contract) and only weeks later were calling for his head

I can see where the more thoughtful ones were coming from, it's a results business, but equally there are clear reasons why I feel the so-called Committee have left him hang out to dry a little with their silence

I'm not going to condemn the Committee for the financial aspects, as I don't know the full facts surrounding them; but it does seem they are not making the right decisions that will help drive this club forward rather than treading water (and even that isn't a guarantee right now)


I like Simon Jordan as a pundit. He says it as he sees it, is pretty open and has the advantage of an owner's view through experience...

Again, for me, this is the telling statement he made that gives a fair bit away about the atmosphere and attitude at the club before, during and after our last visit to the Premier League under Neil ap Warnock

Quote: "Neil Warnock got them promoted. I know he had terrible battles with the ownership to get decent support in the Premier League"

That speaks volumes to me and it just reinforces my recent comment that we were promoted almost accidentally through the nouse of one Neil ap Warnock rather than be actual design (remember he was brought in to pull us away from the relegation battle)

It will fall on deaf ears but I can only reiterate my previous call for the man at the top, Mr Vincent Tan, to clarify the whole situation by making a statement of intent

This last part I think is very fair - Dalman was quick to come out and laud the work done last season with the singing of Wilson and to a lesser extent Ojo.

I think he or Tan should then we prepared to come out and state what is now the plan - maybe they can’t if there is commercial sensitivity on it, but they could find a message if they really wanted to.

They have left it too late though in a way as to do so now would look like they are doing it because of the results and therefore giving MM the dreaded vote of confidence.

If they do change manager that Is when they need to share a clearer plan.

Piss poor to sing that to be honest. Bad image of fanbase, If I was player or future manager mulling over our club. I'd be thinking fu... that .

Modern day football I guess. Only good as your last few games.

For me , it was a good decision by the board to give MM a 2 year deal after the way the team responded to his appointment.
MM has been given a tough job to do in cutting the wage bill whilst trying to be competitive.
However, the lack of response from the players he picks, not the board, is lamentable despite everyone knowing his team selection on Tuesday was so negative.
City supporters will also give a chance to manager who tries to win games but that was not the case on Tuesday.
So the buck stops with the board for not backing the manager (whatever the reason ) the manager (for the team selection /tactics) and the players ( for giving up at both Blackburn abd WBA).
For me , he won’t get sacked as I feel the board is probably happy with just staying up this season with crap football if he keeps costs down.
I for one would rather see him gone but can’t see it .

Jordan’s right about the stability of the club, and that goes back 20 years imo..

Have the board actually done that bad? There were a few queries when MM was appointed,all the dinosaur stuff, but I don't recall too many complaints when he won six games on the trot and he got us briefly in a playoff position. As I recall there were quite a few who' said give him a new contract in case he gets poached from us. Not much chance of that happening now.

Isn't a lot of this "the board don't know much about football "with the benifit of hindsight. When we gave MM a two year contract was it predicable that things would tune disastrous a few months later.

Lots of people are saying we should get a young progressive manager who would get us playing football without ever naming one who would come here. Can't think of one off the top of my head.

Not defending MM,he could go tomorrow as far as I am concerned, but some of the stick the board is getting is unfair. They made what looked like some logical decisions at the time which are now turning out bad it happens in football

I didnt want mick as manager but thought he deserved his contract. I reluctantly accepted the fact that the football might be poor but at least we would be organised and hard to beat. I'll support any manager until I think he is not taking the club forward. Mick looks like he has lost the plot lately. The club are also putting an emphasis on youth with a manager playing the worst football I have ever seen that couldn't be further away from getting the best out of the youngsters. He needs to go now.

Agree with you totally

He's generally right, but the owners aren't in charge of coaching and team selection, that is down to Mick.

The owners did not pick side after side of defenders and defensive players.

Also, if Mick wasn't allowed to bring in more attacking / pacey players - he should just come out and say that he isn't allowed to bring anyone in, rather than saying he is happy with the squad and thinks it's good enough for a top 6 finish.... reality is EVERYONE can see it's not - no team have ever been promoted or got to the play offs without ANY wingers or pace or with such an unbalanced squad.

So Mick should not be immune to criticism because we have a poorly run club, some things are absolutely his own doing,

FFS no manager can come out and say I have no support from the owners every manager who does that are gone look at Sheff United last season and many others the manager has to work with what they got.

Harry Wilson is a massive lost and other loan players who went then you have Lazy Tomlin not doing his bit. we kept Moore but otherwise it was a dreadful summer for a manager it is clear the owners do not support managers since the Malky debacle where again Tann threw his dummy out.

Sadly Tann is a problem has no interest since we told him please give us the blue back this told me that he is had no interest unless it is all about him and his crazy ideas and until he goes and we get a new owner with people on the board who know about football only then will this club move forward.

No manager will get this club forward we can sack Mick and we will be in the same position sooner than later we are in the same position as Newcastle just they are bigger but we both have an owner who thought I will be popular and make some money and now its just get by hopefully.

We need a new owner for a start