Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:24 am
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Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:04 am
Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:41 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
Da Ja Vu.
I'm still smarting from that Coventry game and I'm living in a nightmare that we will be in a relegation fight come Christmas, perhaps stone bottom and yes that means being below Derby. He is already getting booed and when you see our upcoming fixtures I can only see the booing increasing.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:01 am
Forever Blue wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
Da Ja Vu.
I'm still smarting from that Coventry game and I'm living in a nightmare that we will be in a relegation fight come Christmas, perhaps stone bottom and yes that means being below Derby. He is already getting booed and when you see our upcoming fixtures I can only see the booing increasing.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
A lot of truth in what you say Ian.
The problem is Mick, has been saying for months now don’t need to strengthen, we have a big squad , all positions strength in depth and quality .
He has said all this so can never complain.
Plus why not be honest this is a much weaker squad than last season , but to keep the Committee happy like Harris did he will have egg on his face and the one who will suffer .
Lost all respect for him.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:33 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:34 am
Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:03 am
piledriver64 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
The problem is that our fans, at some point, are going to have to accept a period of change that will not equate to challenging for the playoffs if we're really serious about developing a more attractive identity and way of playing.
Along with that we may have to take a gamble on a young manager, like Morrison, and be patient.
Even now with us all calling for McCarthy's head (that includes me !) the options being mentioned on here are Hughton, Big Sam, etc. I like Hughton and would have given him the job when it went to Harris, but I'm not sure it's a forward looking appointment.
It pains me to say it but look at the Jacks, who, up until now, have been pretty successful in management appointments. What had Martinez, Rogers, Monk, Potter or Cooper done before they were given the job ? Nothing, you could argue they were all risky but all they were all given a bit of time and all of them had different degrees of success. Even Monk kept them in the Prem which is more than Mackay, OGS or Warnock could do for us. What had the WBA manager done before he got the Barnsley job, what had Scott Parker done before the Fulham job, etc., etc.
For me, unless we can pull a rabbit out of the hat like Eddie Howe (and that simply isn't going to happen !), why not give it to Morrison on a temporary basis ? At least he has demonstrated that he knows how football should be played, the question is can he implement that at the higher level and command the dressing room and we won't know that until he's given a chance.
The choice is pretty clear, we can either make a "Big Sam" type appointment that will get us in or around the playoffs this season and then find ourselves no further forward at the end of it, or we can be brave and appoint somebody with no proven track record and give them time to prove themselves.
My worry is that even a single loss provokes mass hysteria on here and I think there will have to be a change in fans attitudes too if we are serious about long-term progression.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:14 am
Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:25 am
Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:28 am
piledriver64 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
The problem is that our fans, at some point, are going to have to accept a period of change that will not equate to challenging for the playoffs if we're really serious about developing a more attractive identity and way of playing.
Along with that we may have to take a gamble on a young manager, like Morrison, and be patient.
Even now with us all calling for McCarthy's head (that includes me !) the options being mentioned on here are Hughton, Big Sam, etc. I like Hughton and would have given him the job when it went to Harris, but I'm not sure it's a forward looking appointment.
It pains me to say it but look at the Jacks, who, up until now, have been pretty successful in management appointments. What had Martinez, Rogers, Monk, Potter or Cooper done before they were given the job ? Nothing, you could argue they were all risky but all they were all given a bit of time and all of them had different degrees of success. Even Monk kept them in the Prem which is more than Mackay, OGS or Warnock could do for us. What had the WBA manager done before he got the Barnsley job, what had Scott Parker done before the Fulham job, etc., etc.
For me, unless we can pull a rabbit out of the hat like Eddie Howe (and that simply isn't going to happen !), why not give it to Morrison on a temporary basis ? At least he has demonstrated that he knows how football should be played, the question is can he implement that at the higher level and command the dressing room and we won't know that until he's given a chance.
The choice is pretty clear, we can either make a "Big Sam" type appointment that will get us in or around the playoffs this season and then find ourselves no further forward at the end of it, or we can be brave and appoint somebody with no proven track record and give them time to prove themselves.
My worry is that even a single loss provokes mass hysteria on here and I think there will have to be a change in fans attitudes too if we are serious about long-term progression.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:59 am
Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
Da Ja Vu.
I'm still smarting from that Coventry game and I'm living in a nightmare that we will be in a relegation fight come Christmas, perhaps stone bottom and yes that means being below Derby. He is already getting booed and when you see our upcoming fixtures I can only see the booing increasing.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:03 am
Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:51 am
Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:22 pm
davids wrote:piledriver64 wrote:Bakedalasker wrote:Forever Blue wrote:“Mick McCarthy, you football is sh*t” sang Ipswich fans
As more time goes by without any tangible success to show, the more perilous one’s position may become.
When your own home ‘faithful’ are chanting in unison against you, it’s a pretty clear sign that things probably won’t end well.
What has gone wrong since his terrific start that won him his contract. I don't blame the club for giving him the contract, who would have? What was it 4 losses in 26 games? So where has it all gone wrong?
The only answer I see is the quality of our squad. We are one directional with no means to make it two, More worrying is we are not that good at it. We are obvious and we have been sussed out with ease. I hear people say promote Morison and let him play the youth the way he has been coaching them. If that happens we will get steam rolled by the experienced teams out there. That's happening now so perhaps we have no choice but to try that.
The problem is that our fans, at some point, are going to have to accept a period of change that will not equate to challenging for the playoffs if we're really serious about developing a more attractive identity and way of playing.
Along with that we may have to take a gamble on a young manager, like Morrison, and be patient.
Even now with us all calling for McCarthy's head (that includes me !) the options being mentioned on here are Hughton, Big Sam, etc. I like Hughton and would have given him the job when it went to Harris, but I'm not sure it's a forward looking appointment.
It pains me to say it but look at the Jacks, who, up until now, have been pretty successful in management appointments. What had Martinez, Rogers, Monk, Potter or Cooper done before they were given the job ? Nothing, you could argue they were all risky but all they were all given a bit of time and all of them had different degrees of success. Even Monk kept them in the Prem which is more than Mackay, OGS or Warnock could do for us. What had the WBA manager done before he got the Barnsley job, what had Scott Parker done before the Fulham job, etc., etc.
For me, unless we can pull a rabbit out of the hat like Eddie Howe (and that simply isn't going to happen !), why not give it to Morrison on a temporary basis ? At least he has demonstrated that he knows how football should be played, the question is can he implement that at the higher level and command the dressing room and we won't know that until he's given a chance.
The choice is pretty clear, we can either make a "Big Sam" type appointment that will get us in or around the playoffs this season and then find ourselves no further forward at the end of it, or we can be brave and appoint somebody with no proven track record and give them time to prove themselves.
My worry is that even a single loss provokes mass hysteria on here and I think there will have to be a change in fans attitudes too if we are serious about long-term progression.
Agree with what you say. I think the vast majority of genuine fans would be willing to put up with a period where the club is not challenging for play offs and trying to integrate players from the academy but there are a number of provisos to that:-
The most important is that we must retain our Championship status at all costs. Look at the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth, and Ipswich who've all been relegated from the Championship and are finding it extremely difficult to get back.
Also, it's great to see youngsters coming through but they should be integrated slowly and individually rather than being forced into the first time all at the same time. Also, they have to be good enough and not just played like they're cheap labour.
I think we'd all agree that the style of football needs to change but that takes time and needs the right set up in place - would we trust those at the top to be able to recognize the right man and appoint him then back him?
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