Attracting younger fans

Do you think the style of play is a turn off for younger fans who have competing forces for their time and money?

Die hard fans like us will watch city when we are rubbish - god knows we have seen worse.. but I do worry that in todays day and age some parents are going to struggle to convince their kids to come along.

For my kids, it wasn't about just the football, but the occasion of meeting their cousins, getting something to eat, the pub, the atmosphere etc.... but with many people still worried about Covid the socialising around a game is less so for some, so the football at least has to be exciting at times.

My kids grew up watching Dave Jones's team with me, so they were lucky as they got the whole experience - but I wonder if they had been so keen watching this shit

Thoughts?

I heard my 10 year old lad say to his mate yesterday "football is so much better at the stadium" his mate agreed. Mine obviously a City fan and his mate is a Man United STH... Bit of a difference in style and success between us two!

They don't care about the football so much at this age. Winning matches is obviously good but as you say its the experience for them. A day out, some treats, seeing dad's mates, etc.

I don't think my boy can sit and watch a whole game on TV no matter how good the game is!

It's our job to take our kids and pass the baton on, not buy them Messi and Ronaldo shirts. The football will go in cycles!

I don't think its the football alone but the whole experience of it all.

I go with my daughter most of the times. She was upset with me that I could only get one ticket for the Forest game. She was with me last night as it was Pay on the Night. For her, who has been coming with me for the last 13 years, it the experience of being with a crowd that is like minded by supporting the same team and sharing the joys and disappointment of it all.

She has been to well over a 100 games which is impressive for someone who lives 2 hours drive from Cardiff. She use to get mocked by the local Derby/Forest lads at her school as you can expect. Most of those that mocked her had only been to see their teams a handful of time where if you added all their games up she had seen Cardiff 10 times more. The mocking usually stopped after that fact was told.

They are all grown up now and are the best of friends. I do believe the football take take most of the credit for that.

My daughter loves coming to games when she can and as been like that since she was around 10 she's now 25! Think the problem is with the older fans they are more fickle and choose not to see forgetful football being played and choose to watch matches with the better teams playing.. ..

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so many other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Can't agree with your first point, die hard fans are the people who will go no matter what happens on the pitch.

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Can't agree with your first point, die hard fans are the people who will go no matter what happens on the pitch.

How many die hards do we have then do you think?

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Can't agree with your first point, die hard fans are the people who will go no matter what happens on the pitch.

How many die hards do we have then do you think?

Not many, between 3000 & 5000 would be my very rough guess.

Annis is one,

I heard my 10 year old lad say to his mate yesterday "football is so much better at the stadium" his mate agreed. Mine obviously a City fan and his mate is a Man United STH... Bit of a difference in style and success between us two!

They don't care about the football so much at this age. Winning matches is obviously good but as you say its the experience for them. A day out, some treats, seeing dad's mates, etc.

I don't think my boy can sit and watch a whole game on TV no matter how good the game is!

It's our job to take our kids and pass the baton on, not buy them Messi and Ronaldo shirts. The football will go in cycles!

Absolutely spot on.

Do we actually have that many so called youngsters going on their own to city? I started when was 13 not sure 13yr olds would be allowed now to go on own.... but there are lots going with their mothers or fathers at that age or younger..... not to sure success has much to do with those that already support city success only seem to attract fairweather fans who drop club asap when go back to mundane matches we've all seen and heared them.. only way to increase youngsters coming to city is sustained success then crowds grow at all levels.

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Can't agree with your first point, die hard fans are the people who will go no matter what happens on the pitch.

How many die hards do we have then do you think?

Not many, between 3000 & 5000 would be my very rough guess.

Annis is one,

Yet our crowds have a base of about 10k now.

It’s an interesting question.

Advertising as a whole seems pretty poor from the club. I can’t remember last time I saw a billboard or TV ad showing off the cheap season ticket prices or new kit etc.

Advertising as a whole seems pretty poor from the club. I can’t remember last time I saw a billboard or TV ad showing off the cheap season ticket prices or new kit etc.

Totally agree with this also.

I get the train in to matches and there used to always be posters advertising City around Cardiff Central Station.

Not seen them for years and no publicity at all around the city centre to attract fans.

No wonder most people stay in the city centre bars to watch Man Utd/Liverpool/Man City/Chelsea.

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

I think the access to live football on TV and the internet has provided an easy alternative to watch any team you choose from the comfort of your own home and as human beings, we often take the easy option. Then again, watching a live game is a completely different experience (product) to the TV, so if the lure of the overall match day experience is strong enough, fans will attend. There’s no substitute for hearing the Canton roar!

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

Then why bother replying?? If you live here, there is NO way kids are more controlled, monitored,? Yeah by phone! The kids today are mostly Ferrell imo, went to a new park yesterday, recently completed. And the younger kids were swarming all over it. Spoiling it for the uoung kids it was built for, all smoking or vaping at 11+ and the parcwas absolutely covered with litter from the so called older ones, even putting washing liquid on the slides, call them monitored?? Kids are being given electric scooters at silly ages, amd who monitoribg them,when they flipping in and out of traffic etc?? So lost you may have been, but you are wrong imho regards this area.maybe different where you are, but here? Nah,sorry I see kids out at 10pm, who should be in bed ready for school, whose monitoring then then?

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

Then why bother replying?? If you live here, there is NO way kids are more controlled, monitored,? Yeah by phone! The kids today are mostly Ferrell imo, went to a new park yesterday, recently completed. And the younger kids were swarming all over it. Spoiling it for the uoung kids it was built for, all smoking or vaping at 11+ and the parcwas absolutely covered with litter from the so called older ones, even putting washing liquid on the slides, call them monitored?? Kids are being given electric scooters at silly ages, amd who monitoribg them,when they flipping in and out of traffic etc?? So lost you may have been, but you are wrong imho regards this area.maybe different where you are, but here? Nah,sorry I see kids out at 10pm, who should be in bed ready for school, whose monitoring then then?

Maybe I was looking for clarification on what you meant by here ? But if you don't want people to reply then start your own message board where you can talk to yourself all day.

Kids everywhere are more controlled & certainly more monitored with almost everyone having mobile phones with apps that let their parents know where they are etc. Just because they're at the park etc doesn't mean nobody knows where they are or that they're not being monitored. My point was that when a lot of us were kids there were no mobile phones with these apps & cameras, not even the internet existed.

I have no idea how old you are so maybe you're 20 years younger than me & had a different childhood with more connectivity than I ever had.

Two things.

Die hard fans will stop going if there’s no success on the pitch.

Younger fans will also be attracted by success or not come with lack of it.

Style of play is why people say they aren’t going when we aren’t winning.

Can't agree with your first point, die hard fans are the people who will go no matter what happens on the pitch.

How many die hards do we have then do you think?

Well, I count myself as one; and I know many more who have followed this club (home and away) through thick and (mainly) thin

Annis and many of his friends are also in that group and I feel sure many more I cannot name but would know by sight

Win, draw or lose, we are there supporting the XI on the field and will continue to do so regardless

To be perfectly honest, can you say you are in that group, Neil?

If you are not, then your point appears more than a little churlish and hypocritical

Could never understand the die hard mentality of fans to be honest. It's game of fu....g football.

I go sometimes and not all the time. Easy come easy go. Win, lose or draw and I sleep the same.

Could never understand the die hard mentality of fans to be honest. It's game of fu....g football.

I go sometimes and not all the time. Easy come easy go. Win, lose or draw and I sleep the same.

I think 'die-hard' is simply a term for those who attend regularly regardless of the result...

That you (quote): "don't understand" is for you to consider; but it doesn't mean there aren't people who love their club so much it becomes part of their life, the same way as others do with rugby, golf, cricket, train-spotting, tiddlywinks et al...

To you, it may be just a (quote) "game of fu....g football" but to others its a whole lot more and they would use the (tongue-in-cheek) analogy of yer late great Bill Shankly, who said "Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that"

Their prerogative; just as it is yours not to care how the game went

Could never understand the die hard mentality of fans to be honest. It's game of fu....g football.

I go sometimes and not all the time. Easy come easy go. Win, lose or draw and I sleep the same.

I think 'die-hard' is simply a term for those who attend regularly regardless of the result...

That you (quote): "don't understand" is for you to consider; but it doesn't mean there aren't people who love their club so much it becomes part of their life, the same way as others do with rugby, golf, cricket, train-spotting, tiddlywinks et al...

To you, it may be just a (quote) "game of fu....g football" but to others its a whole lot more and they would use the (tongue-in-cheek) analogy of yer late great Bill Shankly, who said "Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I don't like that attitude. I can assure them it is much more serious than that"

Their prerogative; just as it is yours not to care how the game went

In that case I’ve been promoted to die hard fan as the result is irrelevant to me in terms of attendance. In fact, there’s a part of me that enjoyed the lower divisions when our fans didn’t think we had a given right to be in the top tier of English football. It’s always been about meeting up with family and friends and normally my favourite part of the day is the pub.

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

Then why bother replying?? If you live here, there is NO way kids are more controlled, monitored,? Yeah by phone! The kids today are mostly Ferrell imo, went to a new park yesterday, recently completed. And the younger kids were swarming all over it. Spoiling it for the uoung kids it was built for, all smoking or vaping at 11+ and the parcwas absolutely covered with litter from the so called older ones, even putting washing liquid on the slides, call them monitored?? Kids are being given electric scooters at silly ages, amd who monitoribg them,when they flipping in and out of traffic etc?? So lost you may have been, but you are wrong imho regards this area.maybe different where you are, but here? Nah,sorry I see kids out at 10pm, who should be in bed ready for school, whose monitoring then then?

Maybe I was looking for clarification on what you meant by here ? But if you don't want people to reply then start your own message board where you can talk to yourself all day.

Kids everywhere are more controlled & certainly more monitored with almost everyone having mobile phones with apps that let their parents know where they are etc. Just because they're at the park etc doesn't mean nobody knows where they are or that they're not being monitored. My point was that when a lot of us were kids there were no mobile phones with these apps & cameras, not even the internet existed.

I have no idea how old you are so maybe you're 20 years younger than me & had a different childhood with more connectivity than I ever had.

Then you simply had to ask where here was? In sorry but unless you are near 80 then certainly not 20 yrs younger@ I grew up just as the pc arrived! Mobile phone was a red box on the corner of the street!
I guess my username is a clue to age?
You live in the states I take it?
Well in my opinion, and from what I've seen,yes kids have phones, but not all, and if im truthful even my nephews dont have the tracking app! The ive lost my phone one yeah, buy th
en im talking family. Who are decent enough to keep in touch, should they go elswhere than agreed, but there are kids everywhere on electronic scooters,causing havoc on pavements & roads etc, but its ok, they're being "monitored"??
The youg girls are doing tik tok videos & posting them up, bet most parents would not be happy, IF they find out, who monitors them then?
When I was a kid. You came home when told to. Or paid yhe price, no playstations or even tv in your room back then,so having to stay there was a deterrent enough for most.
These days, they swear at police ffs! Would you have. At 7 8 9 ? Doubt it.an app is only good IF its with the person at all times surely?
Im too old to have young kids, but they wouldn't have a mobile phone at some of the ages I've witnessed!! Thats something else though imo. I believe if we asked parents to be 100% truthful about them using these apps to check their childs whereabouts, a fair few would admit to not even using it, im not saying people dont, but its nowhere near as popular as maybe where you are?
When I was delivering prescriptions during lockdown, most people I saw were youngsters, and in groups, who was monitoring them? And during those times too! Id come home thinking, what are their parents doing?? So for now at least, and where im from, kids have the capabilities to be monitored. But only if they choose to use them. Lastly, if I hadnt had pedestrian collision activation in my car, I could have seriously injured or killed two kids to date, on electric scooters, the oldes was a girl. No older than 13!! The boy, arond 10/11 !! Not even the police are monitoring them, let alone the irresponsible parents who think it ok. To buy a £350+ scooter.that does up to 20mph for a child, and let them go wherever on it!! With no helmet mostly too! What good is an app, when they under the wheels of a car?? Sorry,but thats how I see it.

Do you think the style of play is a turn off for younger fans who have competing forces for their time and money?

Die hard fans like us will watch city when we are rubbish - god knows we have seen worse.. but I do worry that in todays day and age some parents are going to struggle to convince their kids to come along.

For my kids, it wasn't about just the football, but the occasion of meeting their cousins, getting something to eat, the pub, the atmosphere etc.... but with many people still worried about Covid the socialising around a game is less so for some, so the football at least has to be exciting at times.

My kids grew up watching Dave Jones's team with me, so they were lucky as they got the whole experience - but I wonder if they had been so keen watching this shit

Thoughts?

I don't think attracting young fans will ever be an issue in terms of style of play mate, most of them go for the buzz of the ground and the day out like you say

It depends what you are classing as 'younger fans though', I would not be surprised if youngsters in their late 20's early 30's etc would stop going, I know plenty who have, as you say, when your finances become a little bit more stretched you look for value for money don't you, and you couldn't really blame people for not going

I would say its that 25-45 age group when money is normally tighter that we would struggle to attract/keep.

Before your an adult most will be funded by parents, little jobs, 18-25 when you just start work your like a credit card millionaire and after 45 most are a bit more settles so for me its that 25-45 group we are most at risk of losing

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

Then why bother replying?? If you live here, there is NO way kids are more controlled, monitored,? Yeah by phone! The kids today are mostly Ferrell imo, went to a new park yesterday, recently completed. And the younger kids were swarming all over it. Spoiling it for the uoung kids it was built for, all smoking or vaping at 11+ and the parcwas absolutely covered with litter from the so called older ones, even putting washing liquid on the slides, call them monitored?? Kids are being given electric scooters at silly ages, amd who monitoribg them,when they flipping in and out of traffic etc?? So lost you may have been, but you are wrong imho regards this area.maybe different where you are, but here? Nah,sorry I see kids out at 10pm, who should be in bed ready for school, whose monitoring then then?

Maybe I was looking for clarification on what you meant by here ? But if you don't want people to reply then start your own message board where you can talk to yourself all day.

Kids everywhere are more controlled & certainly more monitored with almost everyone having mobile phones with apps that let their parents know where they are etc. Just because they're at the park etc doesn't mean nobody knows where they are or that they're not being monitored. My point was that when a lot of us were kids there were no mobile phones with these apps & cameras, not even the internet existed.

I have no idea how old you are so maybe you're 20 years younger than me & had a different childhood with more connectivity than I ever had.

Then you simply had to ask where here was? In sorry but unless you are near 80 then certainly not 20 yrs younger@ I grew up just as the pc arrived! Mobile phone was a red box on the corner of the street!
I guess my username is a clue to age?
You live in the states I take it?
Well in my opinion, and from what I've seen,yes kids have phones, but not all, and if im truthful even my nephews dont have the tracking app! The ive lost my phone one yeah, buy th
en im talking family. Who are decent enough to keep in touch, should they go elswhere than agreed, but there are kids everywhere on electronic scooters,causing havoc on pavements & roads etc, but its ok, they're being "monitored"??
The youg girls are doing tik tok videos & posting them up, bet most parents would not be happy, IF they find out, who monitors them then?
When I was a kid. You came home when told to. Or paid yhe price, no playstations or even tv in your room back then,so having to stay there was a deterrent enough for most.
These days, they swear at police ffs! Would you have. At 7 8 9 ? Doubt it.an app is only good IF its with the person at all times surely?
Im too old to have young kids, but they wouldn't have a mobile phone at some of the ages I've witnessed!! Thats something else though imo. I believe if we asked parents to be 100% truthful about them using these apps to check their childs whereabouts, a fair few would admit to not even using it, im not saying people dont, but its nowhere near as popular as maybe where you are?
When I was delivering prescriptions during lockdown, most people I saw were youngsters, and in groups, who was monitoring them? And during those times too! Id come home thinking, what are their parents doing?? So for now at least, and where im from, kids have the capabilities to be monitored. But only if they choose to use them. Lastly, if I hadnt had pedestrian collision activation in my car, I could have seriously injured or killed two kids to date, on electric scooters, the oldes was a girl. No older than 13!! The boy, arond 10/11 !! Not even the police are monitoring them, let alone the irresponsible parents who think it ok. To buy a £350+ scooter.that does up to 20mph for a child, and let them go wherever on it!! With no helmet mostly too! What good is an app, when they under the wheels of a car?? Sorry,but thats how I see it.

so the answer to this i would say is both yes and no. so when they are under 16 i would say its the whole match day experience that gets kids hooked. but when they hit 16, going down and watching drab football will start to become a "why am i spending money on this" although while we win, this won't be as big of an impact, but if we were to start losing more and more, and playing bad football, then you could see more and more youngsters turn away

My thoughts for what they're worth.

We're living in a totally different world to when I first went. I was 12 years old & went with my mates on the train from Barry with no adult supervision. We were certainly not alone on that train but if that was to happen now someone would be all over it recording us & posting it on the internets, our parents would have social services crawling around shouting child neglect and we would probably never see them again. BUT, we had a fkin great time with our mates and were going to the odd close away game within a few months without our parents knowing anything about it or anyone on the train batting an eyelid.

As with hooliganism times have changed & youngsters today have so manyy other distractions that we never had like computers, cell phones, playstations etc. as well as being a lot more controlled & monitored than we ever were in the 70s & earlier, maybe even the 80s.

I'm not saying it was better then than now but we did have a lot more freedom & a lot less supervision than today. Some for the better but some for a lot worse.

There is no way the kids here are more controlled/monitored in my eyes!! No we didn't have mobiles back in the day, and yes I attended a few games" without permission" but always had to report home at a set time, or else!! My fad took me, so I was lucky he was a fan of many many years before me, but even as a kid, I was put in my place on the bob bank, and told not to move! Only as I became older, was I allowed to go in the Grange end, which is where the bug really bit home!

My 7 yr old great niece has been to 2 games with me to date, and is already a bluebird, as you say, it's about us playing our part, not bowing to"can I have a Liverpool kit" etc, and I've them the best positive experiences we can, on the pitch is out of our hands, but we can play our part with the youngsters off it.

You lost me with your first sentence.

Then why bother replying?? If you live here, there is NO way kids are more controlled, monitored,? Yeah by phone! The kids today are mostly Ferrell imo, went to a new park yesterday, recently completed. And the younger kids were swarming all over it. Spoiling it for the uoung kids it was built for, all smoking or vaping at 11+ and the parcwas absolutely covered with litter from the so called older ones, even putting washing liquid on the slides, call them monitored?? Kids are being given electric scooters at silly ages, amd who monitoribg them,when they flipping in and out of traffic etc?? So lost you may have been, but you are wrong imho regards this area.maybe different where you are, but here? Nah,sorry I see kids out at 10pm, who should be in bed ready for school, whose monitoring then then?

Maybe I was looking for clarification on what you meant by here ? But if you don't want people to reply then start your own message board where you can talk to yourself all day.

Kids everywhere are more controlled & certainly more monitored with almost everyone having mobile phones with apps that let their parents know where they are etc. Just because they're at the park etc doesn't mean nobody knows where they are or that they're not being monitored. My point was that when a lot of us were kids there were no mobile phones with these apps & cameras, not even the internet existed.

I have no idea how old you are so maybe you're 20 years younger than me & had a different childhood with more connectivity than I ever had.

Then you simply had to ask where here was? In sorry but unless you are near 80 then certainly not 20 yrs younger@ I grew up just as the pc arrived! Mobile phone was a red box on the corner of the street!
I guess my username is a clue to age?
You live in the states I take it?
Well in my opinion, and from what I've seen,yes kids have phones, but not all, and if im truthful even my nephews dont have the tracking app! The ive lost my phone one yeah, buy th
en im talking family. Who are decent enough to keep in touch, should they go elswhere than agreed, but there are kids everywhere on electronic scooters,causing havoc on pavements & roads etc, but its ok, they're being "monitored"??
The youg girls are doing tik tok videos & posting them up, bet most parents would not be happy, IF they find out, who monitors them then?
When I was a kid. You came home when told to. Or paid yhe price, no playstations or even tv in your room back then,so having to stay there was a deterrent enough for most.
These days, they swear at police ffs! Would you have. At 7 8 9 ? Doubt it.an app is only good IF its with the person at all times surely?
Im too old to have young kids, but they wouldn't have a mobile phone at some of the ages I've witnessed!! Thats something else though imo. I believe if we asked parents to be 100% truthful about them using these apps to check their childs whereabouts, a fair few would admit to not even using it, im not saying people dont, but its nowhere near as popular as maybe where you are?
When I was delivering prescriptions during lockdown, most people I saw were youngsters, and in groups, who was monitoring them? And during those times too! Id come home thinking, what are their parents doing?? So for now at least, and where im from, kids have the capabilities to be monitored. But only if they choose to use them. Lastly, if I hadnt had pedestrian collision activation in my car, I could have seriously injured or killed two kids to date, on electric scooters, the oldes was a girl. No older than 13!! The boy, arond 10/11 !! Not even the police are monitoring them, let alone the irresponsible parents who think it ok. To buy a £350+ scooter.that does up to 20mph for a child, and let them go wherever on it!! With no helmet mostly too! What good is an app, when they under the wheels of a car?? Sorry,but thats how I see it.

Crazy amount of words just to say you’ve got no idea what life is like for kids these days.