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Sven wrote:Thanks, Ned. If agreed protocols were in place and the Argentines adhered to them, then the intervention was out of order and (contrary to my original comment) sensationalist and maybe deliberate?
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:11 pm
pembroke allan wrote:Cant believe argies ignored protocols..... but must question why their premier league players travelled when 9 brazillian players didnt because they knew be isolated on return as Brazil is on red list? also other players not playing for other countries as be going to a red list country..... wouldn't he surprised to see Brazil given the tie as no room to replay game
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:12 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:Sven wrote:Thanks, Ned. If agreed protocols were in place and the Argentines adhered to them, then the intervention was out of order and (contrary to my original comment) sensationalist and maybe deliberate?
Does seem like the Argentinian FA and the Brazilian health officials have very differing views on the protocols.
If it was agreed that the Argentinian players were exempt from quarantine, then the actions of the Brazilian health officials are shameful.
As you said, why on earth didn't they stop the players when they arrived into the country if they honestly believed it was against ALL protocols?
It appears they intentionally did this after the match had started, to make a point in public.
Their argument was that the traffic in Sao Paolo is notoriously bad, so they couldn't get to the stadium before kick off. But they should have sorted this the minute the four individuals entered the country.
Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:54 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:Cant believe argies ignored protocols..... but must question why their premier league players travelled when 9 brazillian players didnt because they knew be isolated on return as Brazil is on red list? also other players not playing for other countries as be going to a red list country..... wouldn't he surprised to see Brazil given the tie as no room to replay game
Problem is that the Argentinians are claiming the agreed protocols were that Premier League players would be exempt from quarantine.
Have a feeling this fixture won't be resolved anytime soon. No time to play the match, as you say. But the Argentinians are also unlikely to accept any decision that gives the match to Brazil.
Like I said above, if they thought they were really breaking all the protocols then they should have been detained the minute they arrived in the country.
Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:47 pm
Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:55 pm
pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:52 am
pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:39 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:17 am
pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
My thoughts on it is the argies knew Brazil were 9 players short in squad so tried to pull fast one at airport with their players who should not have been there..... so having a stronger team as possible ? if fifa are man enough they'll award game to Brazil as after what I put the argies were clearly at fault particularly as their players knew the score on quarantine before they left uk and they knew authorities didn't grant dispensation for playing once it was known players came from uk. At present no room in calendar for the game to go ahead unless fifa bend the rules and get cooperation from various leagues to release players for a one off game.
Ps what I wrote came from tim vickery so as reliable as can get regarding the facts of what happened
Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:41 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
My thoughts on it is the argies knew Brazil were 9 players short in squad so tried to pull fast one at airport with their players who should not have been there..... so having a stronger team as possible ? if fifa are man enough they'll award game to Brazil as after what I put the argies were clearly at fault particularly as their players knew the score on quarantine before they left uk and they knew authorities didn't grant dispensation for playing once it was known players came from uk. At present no room in calendar for the game to go ahead unless fifa bend the rules and get cooperation from various leagues to release players for a one off game.
Ps what I wrote came from tim vickery so as reliable as can get regarding the facts of what happened
Agreed, you can't get more reliable than Tim Vickery when it comes to South American football.
He also said this whole thing could come up again in October, when there is another triple-header full of qualifiers.
Can't imagine the Premier League clubs who did release players are happy. Already been told they won't have their players for this weekend and it will be the same after the October international break with South Americans counties.
Even those who didn't release their South American players might not be able to use them this weekend or the weekend after the October international break.
If they want to, then FIFA have the power to ban clubs from using players they didn't release for international duty for up to five days after the international break was due to end.
These international breaks in South America are ending on Thursdays at the moment as well, so the players don't get back until the Saturday anyway.
Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:44 pm
Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:27 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
My thoughts on it is the argies knew Brazil were 9 players short in squad so tried to pull fast one at airport with their players who should not have been there..... so having a stronger team as possible ? if fifa are man enough they'll award game to Brazil as after what I put the argies were clearly at fault particularly as their players knew the score on quarantine before they left uk and they knew authorities didn't grant dispensation for playing once it was known players came from uk. At present no room in calendar for the game to go ahead unless fifa bend the rules and get cooperation from various leagues to release players for a one off game.
Ps what I wrote came from tim vickery so as reliable as can get regarding the facts of what happened
Even those who didn't release their South American players might not be able to use them this weekend or the weekend after the October international break.
If they want to, then FIFA have the power to ban clubs from using players they didn't release for international duty for up to five days after the international break was due to end.
Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:32 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
My thoughts on it is the argies knew Brazil were 9 players short in squad so tried to pull fast one at airport with their players who should not have been there..... so having a stronger team as possible ? if fifa are man enough they'll award game to Brazil as after what I put the argies were clearly at fault particularly as their players knew the score on quarantine before they left uk and they knew authorities didn't grant dispensation for playing once it was known players came from uk. At present no room in calendar for the game to go ahead unless fifa bend the rules and get cooperation from various leagues to release players for a one off game.
Ps what I wrote came from tim vickery so as reliable as can get regarding the facts of what happened
Even those who didn't release their South American players might not be able to use them this weekend or the weekend after the October international break.
If they want to, then FIFA have the power to ban clubs from using players they didn't release for international duty for up to five days after the international break was due to end.
Brazil have now invoked this rule.
Thiago Silva, Fred, Ederson, Gabriel Jesus, Raphinha, Roberto Firmino, Fabinho and Allison Becker have been banned from playing in the Premier League games at the weekend. Silva and Fred are also banned from playing in the Champions League next week.
Mexico, Paraguay and Chile also invoked the rule to stop Raul Jimenez, Miguel Almiron and Francisco Sierralta from playing for their clubs this weekend.
Brazil have been lenient and let Richarlison play for Everton on Monday though. This is because he showed good commitment to them by playing in both the Copa America and the Olympics for them this summer.
Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:12 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:pembroke allan wrote:The long and short of this saga! Villa players given permission to travel and would miss one league game... spurs players didn't have permission to travel so will be disciplined on return... the reason why authorities went on pitch was because Argentina official didn't fill in paper work properly on entry to country so the 4 players were let In without quarantining as per restrictions.....when this was discovered the 4 players needed special dispensation by brazillian gvmnt to have quarantine wavered ? Unfortunately gvmnt dept was on holiday so permission wasn't granted..... players were supposed to stay in hotel and not go to game
when it was discovered they had left hotel with the team the health officials went to ground to make them quarantine which led to pitch invasion....... And that folks is the saga of the farce last night.
PS spurs Players want to go to Croatia (green list country) for 10 days with the villa players so that they can avoid having to stay in quarantine hotel as per uk rules if come back from red list country (Brazil) gvmnt have not made statement on this plan
Sounds like even more of a mess now.
FIFA not impressed with either side on it, so it will be interesting to see how they try and resolve the fixture.
My thoughts on it is the argies knew Brazil were 9 players short in squad so tried to pull fast one at airport with their players who should not have been there..... so having a stronger team as possible ? if fifa are man enough they'll award game to Brazil as after what I put the argies were clearly at fault particularly as their players knew the score on quarantine before they left uk and they knew authorities didn't grant dispensation for playing once it was known players came from uk. At present no room in calendar for the game to go ahead unless fifa bend the rules and get cooperation from various leagues to release players for a one off game.
Ps what I wrote came from tim vickery so as reliable as can get regarding the facts of what happened
Even those who didn't release their South American players might not be able to use them this weekend or the weekend after the October international break.
If they want to, then FIFA have the power to ban clubs from using players they didn't release for international duty for up to five days after the international break was due to end.
Brazil have now invoked this rule.
Thiago Silva, Fred, Ederson, Gabriel Jesus, Raphinha, Roberto Firmino, Fabinho and Allison Becker have been banned from playing in the Premier League games at the weekend. Silva and Fred are also banned from playing in the Champions League next week.
Mexico, Paraguay and Chile also invoked the rule to stop Raul Jimenez, Miguel Almiron and Francisco Sierralta from playing for their clubs this weekend.
Brazil have been lenient and let Richarlison play for Everton on Monday though. This is because he showed good commitment to them by playing in both the Copa America and the Olympics for them this summer.
Premier League clubs will contest FIFA's enforcing of Brazil’s request to ban players for 5 days.
Manchester United, Liverpool, Manchester City, Chelsea and Leeds United believe there is no basis for such action given the circumstances around Covid restrictions.