We all wanted a clear out

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

Can see Flint Morrison ralls staying

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

1.6666 goals per game under Mick...... only Brentford had a better goals per game ratio at this level last season.....

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

1.6666 goals per game under Mick...... only Brentford had a better goals per game ratio at this level last season.....

And we didn’t struggle to score last season either.

Difference between functional and defensive.

Back to the OP. We have fans that want both things to happen. Same people critical of the debt cite lack of ambition regularly.

Hypocrisy reigns.

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

1.6666 goals per game under Mick...... only Brentford had a better goals per game ratio at this level last season.....

And we didn’t struggle to score last season either.

Difference between functional and defensive.

Back to the OP. We have fans that want both things to happen. Same people critical of the debt cite lack of ambition regularly.

Hypocrisy reigns.

I know about the scoring in fact I've said numerous occasions we've been in top 4 scorers past two seasons! The point of my post is by being defensive minded we have drawn far to many games that cost us top 6 last season probably.... and hindered us the previous season....
Does anyone want mick to be in charge behond his contract? Fans on here complain about style of play and that wont change even with 6 new players replacing the out contract players why would it? All well good being good scorers but that failed to get us top6 when in reality we should have been especially with a 20 goal centre forward in team.

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

1.6666 goals per game under Mick...... only Brentford had a better goals per game ratio at this level last season.....

And we didn’t struggle to score last season either.

Difference between functional and defensive.

Back to the OP. We have fans that want both things to happen. Same people critical of the debt cite lack of ambition regularly.

Hypocrisy reigns.

I know about the scoring in fact I've said numerous occasions we've been in top 4 scorers past two seasons! The point of my post is by being defensive minded we have drawn far to many games that cost us top 6 last season probably.... and hindered us the previous season....
Does anyone want mick to be in charge behond his contract? Fans on here complain about style of play and that wont change even with 6 new players replacing the out contract players why would it? All well good being good scorers but that failed to get us top6 when in reality we should have been especially with a 20 goal centre forward in team.

We are not far away from a very strong team.

As above we score plenty and look stronger this season upfront with better deliveries from Giles and the others, I don't think we are too defensive at the minute, almost the opposite we are defending poorly, getting caught on the break and making too many mistakes costing us soft goals.

If Mick and Morrison can sort the defence out we could be in the playoffs most of the season!

Lets be honest, if we go back a season or two most of us have said we need a good clear out and start again with the squad.

Well I believe that's exactly what's happening now.
We cant do it straight away just like that as we've got contracts to honour and its not like we can go out and bring in 12 or so players all in 1 window due to the immediate costs that would put on us.

But look at next season with the amount of contracts that will have run out ;
Flint, Morrison, Murphy, Ralls, Pack, Smithies, Tomlin, Vassell, Vaulks

And the players already out ;
Williams, Hoilett, Day, Bamba, Bennett

Yes it seems that this season may be a struggle with numbers or "too many youth players" as some are worried about but if we survive I can see a proper rebuild next summer with players that hopefully are hungry and passionate for the cause that is CCFC

A clear out is whats required but also need a new manager? What's point of getting rid of the players we have if going to keep a defensive minded manager who would bring in players to suit his style of play? We'll be back to square .....

1.6666 goals per game under Mick...... only Brentford had a better goals per game ratio at this level last season.....

And we didn’t struggle to score last season either.

Difference between functional and defensive.

Back to the OP. We have fans that want both things to happen. Same people critical of the debt cite lack of ambition regularly.

Hypocrisy reigns.

I know about the scoring in fact I've said numerous occasions we've been in top 4 scorers past two seasons! The point of my post is by being defensive minded we have drawn far to many games that cost us top 6 last season probably.... and hindered us the previous season....
Does anyone want mick to be in charge behond his contract? Fans on here complain about style of play and that wont change even with 6 new players replacing the out contract players why would it? All well good being good scorers but that failed to get us top6 when in reality we should have been especially with a 20 goal centre forward in team.

yep scoring goals alone didnt get us top 6...we needed to be better defensively too.....

I am happy even though i think Micks type of game has passed by, it is effective enough to keep us in the league whilst we blood the kids at a frightening pace.

I'd be surprised if Morrison or Ralls left, but their contract may not be as lucrative as their current one. Wintle may have 30 championship games in him next season, Colwell,Bagan & McGuinness may be settled in the championship. A few others may have had 10 appearances by then. Moores late start means there's loads of miles still in him

I am content.

fully agree, this season is a matter of getting rid of the dead wood , ( stuck with one or two), give the youngsters time and then rebuild next summer.
Exactly what is needed, we have to get the budget right at the club, cannot blame Tan one bit for pulling in the reigns.

We'll need a season (or maybe even two) for transition to a more exciting game style, hopefully building on a core of the young players coming through. If that happens then I'm not sure that Mick would be the right man to take us further.

The reset button has well and truly been hit this season. Mick is probably a safe bet for stability during the transition but I do not think he is the right man to take us forward. I am all for playing to your strengths and not forcing a style of play the players aren't capable of playing. But next season it is likely that a lot of our strengths/limitations will have left the club. If there is ever a time to move away from hoofball, it is next season. But I cant see mick moving us away from it as he knows its safe. If we are going down the route of promoting youth, that is going to be more difficult with the football we currently play.

Micks football is only acceptable when you're winning. As soon as results drop the fans will be on his case. The longer he is here, the harder it is going to be for the next manager to implement change. Mick will keep us away from relegation so cant see him going until his contract is up though.

The reset button has well and truly been hit this season. Mick is probably a safe bet for stability during the transition but I do not think he is the right man to take us forward. I am all for playing to your strengths and not forcing a style of play the players aren't capable of playing. But next season it is likely that a lot of our strengths/limitations will have left the club. If there is ever a time to move away from hoofball, it is next season. But I cant see mick moving us away from it as he knows its safe. If we are going down the route of promoting youth, that is going to be more difficult with the football we currently play.

Micks football is only acceptable when you're winning. As soon as results drop the fans will be on his case. The longer he is here, the harder it is going to be for the next manager to implement change. Mick will keep us away from relegation so cant see him going until his contract is up though.

Who would you like to see as our new manager? Being realistic and looking at who might be available in eighteen months time.

McArthy has set us back years.
Club needs a root and branch shake up in the summer.

The reset button has well and truly been hit this season. Mick is probably a safe bet for stability during the transition but I do not think he is the right man to take us forward. I am all for playing to your strengths and not forcing a style of play the players aren't capable of playing. But next season it is likely that a lot of our strengths/limitations will have left the club. If there is ever a time to move away from hoofball, it is next season. But I cant see mick moving us away from it as he knows its safe. If we are going down the route of promoting youth, that is going to be more difficult with the football we currently play.

Micks football is only acceptable when you're winning. As soon as results drop the fans will be on his case. The longer he is here, the harder it is going to be for the next manager to implement change. Mick will keep us away from relegation so cant see him going until his contract is up though.

Who would you like to see as our new manager? Being realistic and looking at who might be available in eighteen months time.

No idea. Ideally it needs to be someone with experience of implementing a certain playing style as well as working with youngsters, as it seems that is the way the club want to go now. Not a chancer like Harris. I did fancy Darren Moore when Harris was given the boot but he was doing well with doncaster at the time and is doing well with wednesday this season - so far. Under Mick I can see us becoming like Ipswich. A mid table team playing drab football with dwindling crowds. Wouldnt be his fault with little support but the buck always stops with the manager. I just think the style of football we play is stopping the club progressing. It makes recruiting more difficult as not all players fancy playing like that and it also makes it harder for youngster's to come through as they dont play that football in the u23s. I just find it painful to watch when we cant string more than 3 passes together without lumping it long

McArthy has set us back years.
Club needs a root and branch shake up in the summer.

how has he set us back years.....came in and guided us away from any danger , has had next to zero backing bringing alternatives in while having to accept cut backs players leaving and use academy players.....

McArthy has set us back years.
Club needs a root and branch shake up in the summer.

how has he set us back years.....came in and guided us away from any danger , has had next to zero backing bringing alternatives in while having to accept cut backs players leaving and use academy players.....

It sounded good in his head

by skidemin » Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:02 pm

Danny Says wrote:
McArthy has set us back years.
Club needs a root and branch shake up in the summer.



how has he set us back years.....came in and guided us away from any danger , has had next to zero backing bringing alternatives in while having to accept cut backs players leaving and use academy players.....

Agreed as he really had to cut the wage bill and bring through some academy players which will hopefully pay off in the future. I don't see that much difference between Neil Warnock and Mick.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

correct...progressive { hardly the word i would use } = big budgets ,big spenders { budget didnt work } ....Eddie Howe and his ilk....
how often do you leave a game thinking waw they { the opposition } were absolutely fantastic and played us off the park { i honestly so not read it here often or hear it at games } .....the few teams that have done just that generally have better more expensive players than we do .. its really not hip, trendy or being a philosopher to out spend teams then finish above them.....

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

No shit. That is the general rule for attendances but it doesn't apply to every individual. If it did, we would have sold out every home game during promotion seasons. I know people who used to go regularly who don't go at all now - even in promotion seasons and seasons in the prem.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

No shit. That is the general rule for attendances but it doesn't apply to every individual. If it did, we would have sold out every home game during promotion seasons. I know people who used to go regularly who don't go at all now - even in promotion seasons and seasons in the prem.

So you are contradicting yourself then. The crowds steadily increased towards selling out certainly in our first promotion season under Tan. Less so second time but we had a bigger stadium.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

No shit. That is the general rule for attendances but it doesn't apply to every individual. If it did, we would have sold out every home game during promotion seasons. I know people who used to go regularly who don't go at all now - even in promotion seasons and seasons in the prem.

So you are contradicting yourself then. The crowds steadily increased towards selling out certainly in our first promotion season under Tan. Less so second time but we had a bigger stadium.

Not contradicting myself at all. Even with bigger attendances, it doesnt mean every single fan returns to watch games, even during promotion seasons.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

correct.....plus even when we have had money we havent exactly looked like Barca for the most part....its championship not champion league and id say 99.9 % of fans get it.. if we win promotion crowds go up....when in the prem crowds go up again... top half in prem ,full houses every week...

Seen loads of posts on here over the last few years of we need a clear out well we are having one eitherway not because we want one its all down to getting rid of the big wages money and this is the most likely way to do it let's be honest who's going to pay tomlin and vassell 15k to 20k ect to sit in the stands on years on end contacts. It's embarrassing really but we all know what direction the club is going in with cost cutting. It don't make me less of a fan just because we are having to push youth players through or whatever as we all want millions of pounds players but we are not forking out every week to pay them. It's how we are now under tan and co that's the bottom line. I'll still support 11 under 20s playing without crying like a bitch online as that's what being a fan is with ups and downs ira the lies and bullshit dalman and co come out with that does my head in more

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

correct.....plus even when we have had money we havent exactly looked like Barca for the most part....its championship not champion league and id say 99.9 % of fans get it.. if we win promotion crowds go up....when in the prem crowds go up again... top half in prem ,full houses every week...

That’s why I don’t rate Malky as much as some. Granted he got up I can’t take that away from him.

But……..

The football was only functional and no plan b and we were massively unprepared for the premier league despite him having a massive budget compared to the rest of the championship. He should have done better. Dave Jones put together a vibrant, flowing team with a fraction of the budget.

Agree with the clear out.
Totally bemused how vassell and even tomlin are still here though...

Main thing for me is to watch better football.
I've really struggled to watch them for a few years now and have stopped.

I Just avoid home games and hope we win...

Sounds crazy or dramatic but it is what it is. I know quite a few who feel the same.
Bluebird till I Die and been everywhere e following.

I know quiet a few people like this too.

I still watch, support and renew my ST but I agree the football in general is crap to watch.

The time to ‘reset’ was before this dinosaur McCarthy came in I believe.
I know we sounded out a more progressive options but obviously budget, etc didn’t work.

We will only get more of the same this season. I remember many St holders leaving during the season when Slade was in charge and stopped attending even though they had paid. They never came back.

I think the same will happen this season if it stays the same. The crowds will be announced including the ST holders even though many will not be there.

In hindsight, we should have 'reset' after relegation when we had 2 years worth of parachute payments coming in. Now we have to do it with kids and little money.

I know a lot of people who lost interest in going to games as well. People pay to be entertained and the majority of our games (even when we win) are terrible to watch and the atmosphere is bad as well. I find it so frustrating that a team can not string more than 3 passes together without the inevitable hoof up field. I still go down but its mainly for the social side of it, rather than the enjoyment of the game. Without changing our game I can see us sliding further away from challenging top 6. Would love to see Mick pull off a Warnock miracle mind!

People going or not is based on results.

When we are winning we get crowds. When we aren’t we don’t.

Under Malky we had turgid football. But crowds were good (even in red).

correct.....plus even when we have had money we havent exactly looked like Barca for the most part....its championship not champion league and id say 99.9 % of fans get it.. if we win promotion crowds go up....when in the prem crowds go up again... top half in prem ,full houses every week...

That’s why I don’t rate Malky as much as some. Granted he got up I can’t take that away from him.

But……..

The football was only functional and no plan b and we were massively unprepared for the premier league despite him having a massive budget compared to the rest of the championship. He should have done better. Dave Jones put together a vibrant, flowing team with a fraction of the budget.

different managers, different budgets , different methods but DJ wasnt what the caviar football connoisseurs would call a modern progressive cliched philosopher re setter type either...signed a bunch of under performing delinquents relatively cheaply put square pegs in square holes and gave them reign.... ironically got criticised for getting more out of them by being more lenient than their previous and future more disciplinarian type managers ever did...