" Cardiff City Players out of contract next summer "

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

Well that clear why they want Smithies and Murphy off the book. Tomlin because he has not been productive enough also needs to go.

I wonder if they have Ralls on the radar too?

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

I think so.e would of had relegation clauses in there contracts

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

We will struggle next season. Flint, morrison, pack, ralls and to an extent vaulks are the spine of the team. It will be very hard to replace their experience. Murphy, Tomlin and vassel will be a huge relief on finances though.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

I think so.e would of had relegation clauses in there contracts

You're probably right, I hope so.

Would be ridiculous if Smithies was still on upwards of £30,000 per week.

I wonder how much of Josh Murphy's wages Preston are paying if anything?

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Ned,

100% Tomlin over £20,000 a week he had a new contract and it rose again.
And Vassell approx £14,000 a week.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Yeah I’m not having a go it’s just something I remember you saying and you wrote it as if you knew for a fact instead of just your thoughts!

I agree over Bacuna although he can do a job as a squad player in a deeper role.
Ralls is decent and rightly plays every game.
Pack is a player I like. Doesn’t get the credit he deserves on this forum IMO.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Karl the one that I want gone, will be still under contract untill 2023 Bacuna

Ned,

100% Tomlin over £20,000 a week he had a new contract and it rose again.
And Vassell approx £14,000 a week.

Thanks, like I say I couldn't verify if the amounts were correct

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Yeah I’m not having a go it’s just something I remember you saying and you wrote it as if you knew for a fact instead of just your thoughts!

I agree over Bacuna although he can do a job as a squad player in a deeper role.
Ralls is decent and rightly plays every game.
Pack is a player I like. Doesn’t get the credit he deserves on this forum IMO.

Came across as if you were my apologies if it was not

Not my thoughts but as in life things change on a sixpence (old money). It’s not always right but more often than not it is and it’s up to the individual what they think

Personally I think the formation does not suit any of them let’s just hope the last result was a blip

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Karl the one that I want gone, will be still under contract untill 2023 Bacuna

Roger, what can I say! He couldn’t hit a barn door let alone the net. Usually out of position wherever he plays ( headless chicken comes to mind) the equaliser if I’m right at Fulham in the play off after we scored he was supposed to be RB and was no where near it when they equalised. To many moments like that and I’d expect more from an extremely well paid footballer.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Karl the one that I want gone, will be still under contract untill 2023 Bacuna

Roger, what can I say! He couldn’t hit a barn door let alone the net. Usually out of position wherever he plays ( headless chicken comes to mind) the equaliser if I’m right at Fulham in the play off after we scored he was supposed to be RB and was no where near it when they equalised. To many moments like that and I’d expect more from an extremely well paid footballer.

Karl all too true I am sorry to say, MM seems to rate him, maybe because of his workrate, but that is no good if there is no end product, going to be stuck with him until 2023

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

6 of those will leave the club at the end of their contracts and others will be offered lower terms

Just like you stated two of Bacuna, Ralls and Pack would be gone this summer?

Yeah I did say in December that Bamba, Bennett and Hoilett would be gone from the club this summer and you replied to that in the same way hmmm.
As for the latter the reality is that no one wants them, one is mobile with no end product and the other 2 are one dimensional and slow for today’s football.

I note your point though

Karl the one that I want gone, will be still under contract untill 2023 Bacuna

Roger, what can I say! He couldn’t hit a barn door let alone the net. Usually out of position wherever he plays ( headless chicken comes to mind) the equaliser if I’m right at Fulham in the play off after we scored he was supposed to be RB and was no where near it when they equalised. To many moments like that and I’d expect more from an extremely well paid footballer.

Karl all too true I am sorry to say, MM seems to rate him, maybe because of his workrate, but that is no good if there is no end product, going to be stuck with him until 2023

If get a new manager in perhaps bacuna will be played in position that suites him rather than where a manager wants him to play? End season perfect chance to remove most of these players and change our manager and philosophy new start is needed, no garauntees but at least something different from the defensive minded managers we have had recently.... if can get new owner be perfect restart for club

We should resign the players we want and try to sell the ones we don’t in January otherwise they’ll all go on frees in June! Again a shed full of money wasted?

Why would any club want to buy them, when they can have them for free in six months.

Would you offer Smithies £1.7 million a year, Ralls and Morrison £1.2 million, Tomlin a million and Flint £900K... If not why would they sign for you ?

just can't believe the Smithies salary

Why would any club want to buy them, when they can have them for free in six months.

Would you offer Smithies £1.7 million a year, Ralls and Morrison £1.2 million, Tomlin a million and Flint £900K... If not why would they sign for you ?

just can't believe the Smithies salary

Nobody wants them at the wages they are on.

Most of them will have to take a drastic cut in wages when they are released or retire because they can’t get a club. The days of players earning stupid money are on the way out and they’d better wake up and smell the coffee

Next season is a definitely a worry.
Some of our players next season might need a note off their their parents to stay out late

Another way of looking at it ,with all those players out of contract a good opportunity to rebuild and change our style of play

Seeing what some of our very average/ injury plagued/ under performing players may be earning is very depressing.

Does it make me feel better that clubs up and down the country are in the same boat? Not sure.

May be we will look back and see the pandemic as the reality check the industry, not the game, needs.

Seeing what some of our very average/ injury plagued/ under performing players may be earning is very depressing.

Does it make me feel better that clubs up and down the country are in the same boat? Not sure.

May be we will look back and see the pandemic as the reality check the industry, not the game, needs.

Seeing what some of our very average/ injury plagued/ under performing players may be earning is very depressing.

Does it make me feel better that clubs up and down the country are in the same boat? Not sure.

May be we will look back and see the pandemic as the reality check the industry, not the game, needs.

I believe the football Ponzi scheme will shortly start to break up. There appears a vast amount at the very top, but these are corporate entities or sovereign wealth funds of some dubious countries using the club to promote their country, what is in it for the rest of them?

When you look at the value of the playing assets they are simply wrong. I wonder what the book price for Smithies, Ralls, Morrison, Flint or Tomlin was because as we proved over the summer (I am guessing everyone was up for grabs) no other club thought there was any value in them.
There were very few championships to championship money transfers, no one except those with parachute payments have any money. The days of the sugar daddies is well and truly over.

What is in it for Vinny or his kind? You make it to the premier league and your income vastly increases but so do your costs, you get relegated and your income reduces drastically but you still have a lot of residual costs.

There is not one player who is out of contract who'll end up playing at a higher level club than ours, i would have said Morrison and Ralls two seasons ago but age is catching up with Sean and Joe hasn't looked that great for 18 months.

I am not worried at all as there will be similar level players from all over the championship available and obviously those the premier league do not want who will have to accept that £700K a year is a nuts salary to kick a football around a park.

Seeing what some of our very average/ injury plagued/ under performing players may be earning is very depressing.

Does it make me feel better that clubs up and down the country are in the same boat? Not sure.

May be we will look back and see the pandemic as the reality check the industry, not the game, needs.

I believe the football Ponzi scheme will shortly start to break up. There appears a vast amount at the very top, but these are corporate entities or sovereign wealth funds of some dubious countries using the club to promote their country, what is in it for the rest of them?

When you look at the value of the playing assets they are simply wrong. I wonder what the book price for Smithies, Ralls, Morrison, Flint or Tomlin was because as we proved over the summer (I am guessing everyone was up for grabs) no other club thought there was any value in them.
There were very few championships to championship money transfers, no one except those with parachute payments have any money. The days of the sugar daddies is well and truly over.

What is in it for Vinny or his kind? You make it to the premier league and your income vastly increases but so do your costs, you get relegated and your income reduces drastically but you still have a lot of residual costs.

There is not one player who is out of contract who'll end up playing at a higher level club than ours, i would have said Morrison and Ralls two seasons ago but age is catching up with Sean and Joe hasn't looked that great for 18 months.

I am not worried at all as there will be similar level players from all over the championship available and obviously those the premier league do not want who will have to accept that £700K a year is a nuts salary to kick a football around a park.

Agree completely. Apart from the bit about Ralls playing at a higher level. If there are any more benefactors out there like Walker was at Blackburn or Heywood for Wolves who want the best for their own club theyve needed ridiculous wealth. Maybe the reset will help. And as you say, our departures will be replaced by players who have been overpaid by other clubs. Be interesting to see how much motivation older players will have on their next contracts on half the coin, or less, they've been on. But then for most it will still be astronomically more than more typical employment.

Also agree with your observations about book values. Lunacy. Same for the stadium too. Who else will buy it.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

Surely Bacuna must be on that list? His time must be up. Terrible signing at the time. He’s been a sheer waste of money.

Our club have some big decisions to make ahead of next summer, as we have a lot of players out of contract.

Bringing this up now due to the reported interest in Alex Smithies and Josh Murphy.

My opinion is it would be best to get a fee for them now and get them off the wage bill, instead of getting nothing for them next summer.

They are both unlikely to be given new contracts.

We would be able to replace them with loans or free agents.


All of the following are out of contract next summer along with their weekly wage:



Aden Flint - £15,000 per week

Sean Morrison - £23,000 per week

Josh Murphy - £25,000 per week

Joe Ralls - £25,000 per week

Marlon Pack - £9,000 per week

Alex Smithies - £33,000 per week

Lee Tomlin - £19,000 per week

Isaac Vassell - £9,000 per week

Will Vaulks - £10,000 per week





Got the wages from a website, so can't be 100% certain they are correct.. I'm sure someone on here will be able to clear that up

Surely Bacuna must be on that list? His time must be up. Terrible signing at the time. He’s been a sheer waste of money.

I recall reading that Bacuna was signed on a five year contract! More cardiff city transfer lunacy.

Another way of looking at it ,with all those players out of contract a good opportunity to rebuild and change our style of play

And in that case, our manager, Darren...!

Not knocking Mick McCarthy, as I've now realised he is on a hiding to nothing for this season and (possibly) next; but he won't change his style of play and/or approach to games