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A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:34 am

I know it’s only first game of the season but yesterday I thought we were very poor.

We looked very average and unless we sign an attacking mid and another winger I think we will struggle this season.

You can’t go into a season with an unreliable tomlin and colwill and expect much.

I like bagan but not having an experienced left back could be another risk.

We are missing some flare and skill in this team and we need to sign players if we want to do anything.

If mick things Barnsley will be the toughest game this season I think he’s in for a surprise

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:50 am

Always tough to predict after one game We’re Barnsley a good side ? Maybe there were . We still had more than enough chances to win However the lack of creativity in midfield is worrying While Bagan was very good for 70 mins he struggled in last 20 mins .
Barnsley finished above us last season so maybe not a bad result I do feel if we had Moore up front for the whole game this would have been a win for city thou

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:20 am

I think our tactical shape is hampering us. Whilst I thought Ralls and Pack were brilliant together we were severely lacking any creativity apart from Giles. Teams only have to put two men on our Striker and with the lack of attacking bodies we’re not much of a threat apart from set pieces. Another thing that worried we was when Mick took off Bacuna and played Collins as a winger, I know it wasn’t for long but I couldn’t understand what we were gaining from that. Perry Ng after starting off brightly with us last January seems to be going backwards, I don’t know whether that’s a confidence thing or not though.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:47 am

Let's have a critical look at the team:

Phillips did well, but as expected.

The three centrebacks.. all did well enough, distribution from Flint and Nelson not good at all.

Wing-backs - NG and Bagan - did 'ok' but both looked nervy and ponderous at times. Maybe the system we play expects too much from them as they are still quite new to this division and Bagan is still a youngster. They need to be more of a threat going forward - they seemed slow yesterday.

Centre midfield... Ralls and Pack did really well breaking up play and showed great tenacity and energy - but again passing was awful and they hoofed almost all of the time.

Forwards - Giles was excellent. His pace and crossing is superb. However, as the only flair player in the 11, Barnsley did a decent job keeping him relatively quiet

Bacuna - should have had at least two but he's not a No. 10 and it's wrong to expect him to slot in there.

Striker - Collins was excellent. Work rate superb, crossed well and unlucky not to score.

Our passing in our own half is awful but our passing in the final third is absolutely appalling.

Unless Giles is crossing, then we literally have no idea.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:56 am

Quite a lot of players missing yesterday who would enhance that side.

Murphy if he finally gets his act in gear
Tomlin if he can ever get fit
Vaulks has a class shot on him, decent championship midfielder
Moore need I say anymoore? (TM Sven)
Morrison excellent at the back

I’m not at all despondent.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:59 am

For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:12 am

The problem with Playing Bacuna as an attacking midfielder is he is absolutely useless at scoring goals. He scored a couple against I think it was Derby last season and I checked to see how many goals for us he had only scored 1 other goal. His scoring record is 3 goals in 95 games. Attacking midfielder your having a laugh.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:21 am

Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:49 am

maccydee wrote:Quite a lot of players missing yesterday who would enhance that side.

Murphy if he finally gets his act in gear
Tomlin if he can ever get fit
Vaulks has a class shot on him, decent championship midfielder
Moore need I say anymoore? (TM Sven)
Morrison excellent at the back

I’m not at all despondent.


Murphy - I’ve been waiting for any consistency for 3 years.
Tomlin - we can only dream.
Vaulks - bang average and another midfielder who can’t pass or create much.
Moore - hoping Giles will link up with him, I think that can work.
Morrison - 100% agree.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:54 am

Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


I agree I’m not a fan of McCarthy.

We missed a chance to get a progressive manager when Mick was brought in.
With no investment he’ll do a job of keeping the side on an even keel at the expense of any sort of attractive or exciting football.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:01 pm

I never get carried away over results or performances in the first few games of the season, good or bad.

Such a long way to go and the early signs of a season are often very different to the way the season ends up going. I remember Norwich losing 7-1 on the opening day one season and they went on to get promoted.

I'm not getting worried that we weren't very good yesterday and I won't be getting overexcited if we beat Blackpool and Peterborough 4-0.

However, I don't think it was as bad yesterday as some are making it out to be.

We didn't do enough to win but we also didn't deserve to lose.

A draw was a fair result.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:12 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.



his record says the exact opposite...if you have a good squad he will get you close to the top ..if you dont have one he will keep you competitive....and unless we have a couple or 3 arrivals i think its the later this season ....

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:17 pm

The problem is that the club simply cant afford anymore players let alone quality players. Thats why Warnock was excellent by bringing in talent from the lower leagues such as Mendez-Laing and Etheridge. If there is any similarities between Mick and Neil then I hope its bringing in the same pool of talent from the lower leagues. I think the team can only improve game after game.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:29 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I never get carried away over results or performances in the first few games of the season, good or bad.

Such a long way to go and the early signs of a season are often very different to the way the season ends up going. I remember Norwich losing 7-1 on the opening day one season and they went on to get promoted.

I'm not getting worried that we weren't very good yesterday and I won't be getting overexcited if we beat Blackpool and Peterborough 4-0.

However, I don't think it was as bad yesterday as some are making it out to be.

We didn't do enough to win but we also didn't deserve to lose.

A draw was a fair result.


It's not inevitable but early season form is almost always a guide to how the season will go. Yes there are exceptions but they are that exceptions. The top six after six games will look very like the top six at the end of the season. In our promotion year under Warnock I think the top two after six games were Wolves and Cardiff and that's how it finished. Same with promotion under Malky we were up there right from the start. The odd team will have a good run in mid season or the end of the season but it's generally a good rule that if you are not in the top six after six games you are probably not going to be there when the season ends you certainly not going to get automatic promotion.

People say I will wait till ten games before making a judgment but it normally does not take that long.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:41 pm

Crayfish wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I never get carried away over results or performances in the first few games of the season, good or bad.

Such a long way to go and the early signs of a season are often very different to the way the season ends up going. I remember Norwich losing 7-1 on the opening day one season and they went on to get promoted.

I'm not getting worried that we weren't very good yesterday and I won't be getting overexcited if we beat Blackpool and Peterborough 4-0.

However, I don't think it was as bad yesterday as some are making it out to be.

We didn't do enough to win but we also didn't deserve to lose.

A draw was a fair result.


It's not inevitable but early season form is almost always a guide to how the season will go. Yes there are exceptions but they are that exceptions. The top six after six games will look very like the top six at the end of the season. In our promotion year under Warnock I think the top two after six games were Wolves and Cardiff and that's how it finished. Same with promotion under Malky we were up there right from the start. The odd team will have a good run in mid season or the end of the season but it's generally a good rule that if you are not in the top six after six games you are probably not going to be there when the season ends you certainly not going to get automatic promotion.

People say I will wait till ten games before making a judgment but it normally does not take that long.




yep...i think 8 out of the bottom 9 after a dozen games last season remained there for the season....but people always remember the exceptions . didnt see anything yesterday to suggest relegation ,trouble is without fantastic luck with not having injuries this squad is way to thin to be bothering the top spots either...

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:25 pm

hard to tell first game back, a few players missing.
Think we need a left back, Bagan young amd needs to be brought through slowly.
Bacuna not long over a covid, but we need a number 10.
Murphy needs to sort himself out and get in the team, Tomlin owes us a season..
a couple of loan players needed, think we will be ok once we get going .
Those saying Mick up for the job :-)
Normal service resumed amongst our fan base

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:52 pm

Crayfish wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I never get carried away over results or performances in the first few games of the season, good or bad.

Such a long way to go and the early signs of a season are often very different to the way the season ends up going. I remember Norwich losing 7-1 on the opening day one season and they went on to get promoted.

I'm not getting worried that we weren't very good yesterday and I won't be getting overexcited if we beat Blackpool and Peterborough 4-0.

However, I don't think it was as bad yesterday as some are making it out to be.

We didn't do enough to win but we also didn't deserve to lose.

A draw was a fair result.


It's not inevitable but early season form is almost always a guide to how the season will go. Yes there are exceptions but they are that exceptions. The top six after six games will look very like the top six at the end of the season. In our promotion year under Warnock I think the top two after six games were Wolves and Cardiff and that's how it finished. Same with promotion under Malky we were up there right from the start. The odd team will have a good run in mid season or the end of the season but it's generally a good rule that if you are not in the top six after six games you are probably not going to be there when the season ends you certainly not going to get automatic promotion.

People say I will wait till ten games before making a judgment but it normally does not take that long.


So if we are top 2 after 5 games or so does that mean we will be promoted and Morrison's prediction is accurate? :D

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:45 pm

Sven wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:


Thanks Sven still you nasty self. I’ve been away suffering from mental health issues. I attempted to take my own life but happily back on the road to recovery. You comments to be in the past have played a part in my illlness although I don’t believe you did it deliberately you could certainly tell from the chaotic posts that I posted that there was something not quiet right. But you continued to humiliate me and make me feel bad about myself. I’ve got a battle on my hands Sven and don’t need any of you nasty comments just because my opinions differ to yours.

So please Sven can you just leave me alone and express my opinions with out your bullying antics. I didn’t want to make a big thing of it but as I’m only just well enough to return to the forum I hoped I may go unnoticed, but you seem intent on having a go.

Thank you.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:55 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:


Thanks Sven still you nasty self. I’ve been away suffering from mental health issues. I attempted to take my own life but happily back on the road to recovery. You comments to be in the past have played a part in my illlness although I don’t believe you did it deliberately you could certainly tell from the chaotic posts that I posted that there was something not quiet right. But you continued to humiliate me and make me feel bad about myself. I’ve got a battle on my hands Sven and don’t need any of you nasty comments just because my opinions differ to yours.

So please Sven can you just leave me alone and express my opinions with out your bullying antics. I didn’t want to make a big thing of it but as I’m only just well enough to return to the forum I hoped I may go unnoticed, but you seem intent on having a go.

Thank you.


I am so glad you are on the road to recovery and God speed this continues and you fully get over your demons.

But…….. and I say this with all due respect to you and what you are going through.

If you are that affected by comments made on a message board personally I think you should probably stay away from the message board. Sven (Chris) is anything but a bully and he certainly doesn’t strike first and normally gives it back. I’ve no idea what has happened but I think the post is a little bit over the top if I’m honest. He couldn’t possibly know from your chaotic posts you were suffering, literally nobody would be able to. Also, with your post you have made a massive thing of it. Your original post was very self deprecating and that could be taken many, many ways.

Again, all due respect to you and what you are going through. I have suffered with those demons. Thankfully not as bad as yourself.

Stay safe.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:12 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:


Thanks Sven still you nasty self. I’ve been away suffering from mental health issues. I attempted to take my own life but happily back on the road to recovery. You comments to be in the past have played a part in my illlness although I don’t believe you did it deliberately you could certainly tell from the chaotic posts that I posted that there was something not quiet right. But you continued to humiliate me and make me feel bad about myself. I’ve got a battle on my hands Sven and don’t need any of you nasty comments just because my opinions differ to yours.

So please Sven can you just leave me alone and express my opinions with out your bullying antics. I didn’t want to make a big thing of it but as I’m only just well enough to return to the forum I hoped I may go unnoticed, but you seem intent on having a go.

Thank you.


Don’t blame Sven for your personal problems. That’s shocking.

The last place you want to be be if your like this is online be it a forum for debate and banter, Twitter, Facebook or anything else.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:30 pm

Birds of a feather sticking together .I know of half a dozen posters who refuse to post on here to get belittled by Chris.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:36 pm

OriginalGrangeEndBlue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:


Thanks Sven still you nasty self. I’ve been away suffering from mental health issues. I attempted to take my own life but happily back on the road to recovery. You comments to be in the past have played a part in my illlness although I don’t believe you did it deliberately you could certainly tell from the chaotic posts that I posted that there was something not quiet right. But you continued to humiliate me and make me feel bad about myself. I’ve got a battle on my hands Sven and don’t need any of you nasty comments just because my opinions differ to yours.

So please Sven can you just leave me alone and express my opinions with out your bullying antics. I didn’t want to make a big thing of it but as I’m only just well enough to return to the forum I hoped I may go unnoticed, but you seem intent on having a go.

Thank you.


Don’t blame Sven for your personal problems. That’s shocking.

The last place you want to be be if your like this is online be it a forum for debate and banter, Twitter, Facebook or anything else.



I’m merely asking him to back off. He constantly been trying to belittle me over a couple of years I’m at the point where I need to get back to normal.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 6:39 pm

maccydee wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Sven wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:For me personally and unfortunately I don’t think are managers good enough for the job. I think we will struggle all season as well. I hope I’m wrong like I mostly am.


You've never written truer words...! ;) :laughing6: :ayatollah:


Thanks Sven still you nasty self. I’ve been away suffering from mental health issues. I attempted to take my own life but happily back on the road to recovery. You comments to be in the past have played a part in my illlness although I don’t believe you did it deliberately you could certainly tell from the chaotic posts that I posted that there was something not quiet right. But you continued to humiliate me and make me feel bad about myself. I’ve got a battle on my hands Sven and don’t need any of you nasty comments just because my opinions differ to yours.

So please Sven can you just leave me alone and express my opinions with out your bullying antics. I didn’t want to make a big thing of it but as I’m only just well enough to return to the forum I hoped I may go unnoticed, but you seem intent on having a go.

Thank you.


I am so glad you are on the road to recovery and God speed this continues and you fully get over your demons.

But…….. and I say this with all due respect to you and what you are going through.

If you are that affected by comments made on a message board personally I think you should probably stay away from the message board. Sven (Chris) is anything but a bully and he certainly doesn’t strike first and normally gives it back. I’ve no idea what has happened but I think the post is a little bit over the top if I’m honest. He couldn’t possibly know from your chaotic posts you were suffering, literally nobody would be able to. Also, with your post you have made a massive thing of it. Your original post was very self deprecating and that could be taken many, many ways.

Again, all due respect to you and what you are going through. I have suffered with those demons. Thankfully not as bad as yourself.

Stay safe.


Thank you mate.
Sven certainly went out of his way many times over the last couple of years to be little me some of my posts were crazy towards the end even then he still took the opportunity to bully me and even stating how crazy my posts were.

I’m sure he didn’t know the damage he was doing but none the less it was.

But I’m not here to go over it I wanted a new_to_this777 start fresh one for me.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:11 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I never get carried away over results or performances in the first few games of the season, good or bad.

Such a long way to go and the early signs of a season are often very different to the way the season ends up going. I remember Norwich losing 7-1 on the opening day one season and they went on to get promoted.

I'm not getting worried that we weren't very good yesterday and I won't be getting overexcited if we beat Blackpool and Peterborough 4-0.

However, I don't think it was as bad yesterday as some are making it out to be.

We didn't do enough to win but we also didn't deserve to lose.

A draw was a fair result.


It's not inevitable but early season form is almost always a guide to how the season will go. Yes there are exceptions but they are that exceptions. The top six after six games will look very like the top six at the end of the season. In our promotion year under Warnock I think the top two after six games were Wolves and Cardiff and that's how it finished. Same with promotion under Malky we were up there right from the start. The odd team will have a good run in mid season or the end of the season but it's generally a good rule that if you are not in the top six after six games you are probably not going to be there when the season ends you certainly not going to get automatic promotion.

People say I will wait till ten games before making a judgment but it normally does not take that long.


So if we are top 2 after 5 games or so does that mean we will be promoted and Morrison's prediction is accurate? :D


I remember seeing on some forum comparing the top six in the championship after six games and the top fix at the end of the season over a ten year peroid and was actually quite shocked about how close they were. I think in most seasons at least 4 of the top six after six games were still in the top six at the end of the season and sometimes it was 5 or six. In our promotion season under Warnock the top two after six games were Wolves and Cardiff and I think we were in the top two after six games in Malkies promotion season. So yes I do think if we are in the top two after six games we will do no worse than the playoffs.

Oddly,and I am relying on memory here I seem to remember that MM's Ipswich usually started the season well and dropped down the league after a few games.

Do remember one season under Dave Jones when we had I think it was Steve Thompson and Chopra up front and they were both scoring really well and we were top of the league after a few games and for quite a while but had such a small squad and were cash strapped so could not sign anyone in the transfer window and we dropped away badly in the second half of the season and finished in mid table. Unlike in Malkies promotion season when we went up because we did strengthen in the transfer window.

Re: A bit worrying?

Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:03 pm

DEANO wrote:Birds of a feather sticking together .I know of half a dozen posters who refuse to post on here to get belittled by Chris.



He is a terribly condescending, patronising know it all. I haven't missed him :D

Re: A bit worrying?

Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:34 am

paulh_85 wrote:
DEANO wrote:Birds of a feather sticking together .I know of half a dozen posters who refuse to post on here to get belittled by Chris.



He is a terribly condescending, patronising know it all. I haven't missed him :D


So in response to somebody stating their mental health has been affected by perceived slating on here, people are slating someone on here.

Couldn’t make it up.