To be FREE....or not to be FREE....

...that is the question...!!!

The fact that I am posting this is testament to the sadness I feel about what we have become. I used to be proud to be Welsh, and then British, but I can't say I hold that view now.

I am utterly amazed how something so common, like a virus, can turn a nation into fearmongering sheeple and suddenly drop all the values that we hold dear, like a stone.

I just wish people would, for 1 minute, stand outside the box and look in to what is actually going on. We all get caught up in the noise, but if you stood back and took a helicopter view of the UK today you may see a different paradigm.

You may see, and remember, the values that made us great. You may remember that the Government is there to SERVE you, not the other way around. You may find many facts that your Government do not wish to share with you, but they are out there. You may well come to the same conclusion as you hold now.......but at least you had a peek.

The video below, stated by a fellow Celt, sums it up really. What have we become?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjRxrH5QL0

Neil Oliver spoke really well on GBNews. You can view it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjRxrH ... e=youtu.be

I was protesting here in Germany today, and what was amazing was the left and right came together. Because here, people have realised that all of our necks are on the line. This isn't about day to day politics, this is about big pharma and tech colluding with governments in order to exert absolute power, and to remove any privacy.

Comply and risk leaving your grand children with a worse place than your forefathers left you, with regular vaccinations, and requirements of passports to take part in society, with a CBDC that will track every transaction you make and a social credit system that will reward and punish you as the government see's fit. George Orwells books werent supposed to be manuals, but warnings.

You are FREE to be "exempt" and not wear a mask, you are FREE to mix and mingle with others that feel the same way as you etc etc.

A virus has no boundaries, it doesnt care about gender, nationality, skin colour - it is also free to do what it wants.

Every transaction you make is already tracked - not by govt but by credit card companies, banks, shops, amazon , ebay etc. Every web page you look at - can be tracked with cookies (I know there are ways around that one).

Things are different and have changed for everyone and every country. It was the same back when we had the plague and spanish flu I expect. The only thing you can guarantee other than death and tax - is that things never stay the same - they always change.

I would rather be in the UK than India / Brazil / Japan , parts of Europe, Australia or Africa.

The only thing BIG pharma and Govts are colluding on - is trying to deliver a route out of the mess, in the hope that they dont bankrupt themselves in the process. There were over 150 vax candidates from companies at the start - before the UK went with AZ/Ox, Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson etc..

I get all the George Orwell "Were doomed" stuff - but the reality is a lot simpler.

As of a couple of weeks ago - there were 3 people in ICU at the Heath. One had terminal cancer and could not be "jabbed" - the other 2 were anti vaxxers - who have since changed their opinion. The nurses should have just left nature take it's course - so they could also be 'free'.

It will and is getting better - more importantly - Barnsley on Saturday and will Vassell be able to make it from the changing room to the pitch without injuring himself

You are FREE to be "exempt" and not wear a mask, you are FREE to mix and mingle with others that feel the same way as you etc etc.

A virus has no boundaries, it doesnt care about gender, nationality, skin colour - it is also free to do what it wants.

Every transaction you make is already tracked - not by govt but by credit card companies, banks, shops, amazon , ebay etc. Every web page you look at - can be tracked with cookies (I know there are ways around that one).

Things are different and have changed for everyone and every country. It was the same back when we had the plague and spanish flu I expect. The only thing you can guarantee other than death and tax - is that things never stay the same - they always change.

I would rather be in the UK than India / Brazil / Japan , parts of Europe, Australia or Africa.

The only thing BIG pharma and Govts are colluding on - is trying to deliver a route out of the mess, in the hope that they dont bankrupt themselves in the process. There were over 150 vax candidates from companies at the start - before the UK went with AZ/Ox, Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson etc..

I get all the George Orwell "Were doomed" stuff - but the reality is a lot simpler.

As of a couple of weeks ago - there were 3 people in ICU at the Heath. One had terminal cancer and could not be "jabbed" - the other 2 were anti vaxxers - who have since changed their opinion. The nurses should have just left nature take it's course - so they could also be 'free'.

It will and is getting better - more importantly - Barnsley on Saturday and will Vassell be able to make it from the changing room to the pitch without injuring himself

I must say that concerns me greatly....That you have even considered that Vassell would make it out of the changing room!

You are FREE to be "exempt" and not wear a mask, you are FREE to mix and mingle with others that feel the same way as you etc etc.

A virus has no boundaries, it doesnt care about gender, nationality, skin colour - it is also free to do what it wants.

Every transaction you make is already tracked - not by govt but by credit card companies, banks, shops, amazon , ebay etc. Every web page you look at - can be tracked with cookies (I know there are ways around that one).

Things are different and have changed for everyone and every country. It was the same back when we had the plague and spanish flu I expect. The only thing you can guarantee other than death and tax - is that things never stay the same - they always change.

I would rather be in the UK than India / Brazil / Japan , parts of Europe, Australia or Africa.

The only thing BIG pharma and Govts are colluding on - is trying to deliver a route out of the mess, in the hope that they dont bankrupt themselves in the process. There were over 150 vax candidates from companies at the start - before the UK went with AZ/Ox, Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson and Johnson etc..

I get all the George Orwell "Were doomed" stuff - but the reality is a lot simpler.

As of a couple of weeks ago - there were 3 people in ICU at the Heath. One had terminal cancer and could not be "jabbed" - the other 2 were anti vaxxers - who have since changed their opinion. The nurses should have just left nature take it's course - so they could also be 'free'.

It will and is getting better - more importantly - Barnsley on Saturday and will Vassell be able to make it from the changing room to the pitch without injuring himself

two anti vaxxers....or just 2 people who were free to decide they did not want the jab...

Jim,

Your actually right we are being now controlled and dictated to and life has changed beyond and not for the better.
We still have this virus, but like now needs to go back to normal as we are losing our respect , integrity and belief as well as pride .

...that is the question...!!!

The fact that I am posting this is testament to the sadness I feel about what we have become. I used to be proud to be Welsh, and then British, but I can't say I hold that view now.

I am utterly amazed how something so common, like a virus, can turn a nation into fearmongering sheeple and suddenly drop all the values that we hold dear, like a stone.

I just wish people would, for 1 minute, stand outside the box and look in to what is actually going on. We all get caught up in the noise, but if you stood back and took a helicopter view of the UK today you may see a different paradigm.

You may see, and remember, the values that made us great. You may remember that the Government is there to SERVE you, not the other way around. You may find many facts that your Government do not wish to share with you, but they are out there. You may well come to the same conclusion as you hold now.......but at least you had a peek.

The video below, stated by a fellow Celt, sums it up really. What have we become?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sjRxrH5QL0

well we do seem to be coming away from it....
but not sure the fear will ever go away for many .. its ingrained god help us if a future Spanish Flu type epidemic comes along...

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

Its a very sobering thought throughout the piece. In the days before the vaccine this country and indeed much of the world was looking down the barrel of a gun that had the capacity to eliminate far more people than Hilter ever managed to murder. The impact of doing nothing and "Allowing Freedom" to prevail would have been a massive mistake. Governments across the world have resorted to similar measures across the globe. However the time is now here that we must return to normal lives and insist that our freedoms be totally restored. It should be remembers that also during the WW2 normal freedoms were restricted in the name of beating tirany.
As far as this world War this country has to declare the piece NOW.

Jim,

Your actually right we are being now controlled and dictated to and life has changed beyond and not for the better.
We still have this virus, but like now needs to go back to normal as we are losing our respect , integrity and belief as well as pride .

Cheers Annis, we don't always see I to I but on this issue I think all free thinking people can unite.

I understand that there are elements in our society that want to be told what to do, and when to do it, and how they should do it, and quite frankly I have no problem with that. That's their choice and their freewill.

When that spills over to telling me what to do, and how to act and behave I hit a big wall of defiance. As you well know Annis, my mantra is do whatever you want, as long as you don't piss on other peoples chips. I just can't believe how the general public are pissing our freedoms up against the wall.

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

With due respect Al he actually said

(verbatim) "Here's the thing. If your freedom means I might catch Covid from you then so be it. If my freedom means you might catch Covid from me then so be it. For the sake of freedom, yours and mine together, I will cheerfully risk catching Covid. That is a chance, one upon MANY that I am prepared to take."

It is my freedom to protect myself from selfish people who do not care that I might catch Covid due to their freedoms.

I choose to socially distance, I choose to wear a mask, I choose to be vaccinated. I choose these because I am free!

Right from the start what the Government feared most was the NHS being overwhelmed. The Tory Government would never have recovered if there had been TV pictures beamed into every home of people dying in corridors because there wasn't enough hospital beds.

Hence the "protect the NHS" message and curtailment of freedoms.

That said there was other routes which could have been pursued (better shielding of vulnerable and elderly people) whilst allowing younger fitter people to carry on as normal.

The Government have certainly been too cautious since the vaccine programme started and I believe they will continue to be for some considerable time.

It is my freedom to protect myself from selfish people who do not care that I might catch Covid due to their freedoms.

I choose to socially distance, I choose to wear a mask, I choose to be vaccinated. I choose these because I am free!

Quite frankly Phil, whether you do or do not catch Covid is not my concern. Don't want to appear heartless but I don't know you so you are irrelevant to me.

I think you are missing the point somewhat. If you are scared to death of this virus I suggest you stay at home. Whilst you are bunkered down, enjoy the social media clips of everyone else, who have decided to get on with their lives......at their own risk obviously! It's called freewill!

It is my freedom to protect myself from selfish people who do not care that I might catch Covid due to their freedoms.

I choose to socially distance, I choose to wear a mask, I choose to be vaccinated. I choose these because I am free!

Quite frankly Phil, whether you do or do not catch Covid is not my concern. Don't want to appear heartless but I don't know you so you are irrelevant to me.

I think you are missing the point somewhat. If you are scared to death of this virus I suggest you stay at home. Whilst you are bunkered down, enjoy the social media clips of everyone else, who have decided to get on with their lives......at their own risk obviously! It's called freewill!

Sadly, it is misguided souls like yourself who will prolong the periods of restriction. You suggest I should stay at home - rather restrictive of my freedom is it not?

As with many people with no real argument it is easier to lampoon or ridicule an opposing view rather than attempt to understand it. I have watched and listened to many sides of the covid restrictions versus freedoms arguments and have made up my own mind. I believe Covid is a real and present danger to me, my family and this country. Hence I am doing what little I can to protect those who I care about - even you, who I do not know.

Sadly, it is misguided souls like yourself who will prolong the periods of restriction. You suggest I should stay at home - rather restrictive of my freedom is it not?

As with many people with no real argument it is easier to lampoon or ridicule an opposing view rather than attempt to understand it. I have watched and listened to many sides of the covid restrictions versus freedoms arguments and have made up my own mind. I believe Covid is a real and present danger to me, my family and this country. Hence I am doing what little I can to protect those who I care about - even you, who I do not know.

Suggesting you stay at home is not an instruction it is what it is a "Suggestion". You are free to either follow or reject that suggestion, if you decide to stay at home then it is you who is restricting your own freedoms not the person who suggested that you should do so.

Covid might have at one point presented a danger to the population but since the introduction of the vaccine 95% of the population have antibodies. Whilst this offers no guarantee of not catching the decease it certainly lowers your chances of becoming seriously ill or dying. The daily death figures are nothing in comparison with the height of deaths in January.

In fact Covid is something like the 18th most likely cause of death. Hardly sounds like a real and present danger to the vast majority of people at the current time.

Its a very sobering thought throughout the piece. In the days before the vaccine this country and indeed much of the world was looking down the barrel of a gun that had the capacity to eliminate far more people than Hilter ever managed to murder. The impact of doing nothing and "Allowing Freedom" to prevail would have been a massive mistake. Governments across the world have resorted to similar measures across the globe. However the time is now here that we must return to normal lives and insist that our freedoms be totally restored. It should be remembers that also during the WW2 normal freedoms were restricted in the name of beating tirany.
As far as this world War this country has to declare the piece NOW.

and now the time is here.....
deaths higher than when the first lock down was decided.... cases higher.....hospital admissions higher..... ?

I must say that concerns me greatly....That you have even considered that Vassell would make it out of the changing room!

Football, Football, Football please.

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life { and have distanced yourself from these selfish people that you suspect } .. and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

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two anti vaxxers....or just 2 people who were free to decide they did not want the jab...

Same thing.

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

But if you dont give a toss who you could possibly infect what does it make you A caring soul?

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The argument of "those who don't get vaccinated are selfish" is surely invalidated by the recent study from the CDC, who confirmed those with the vaccine carry the exact same amount of viral loads as the non vaccinated, whilst they are also concerned the vaccinated are driving mutations.

Fauci interview: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 0130529766
News article: https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-t ... ant-2021-7

It is my freedom to protect myself from selfish people who do not care that I might catch Covid due to their freedoms.

I choose to socially distance, I choose to wear a mask, I choose to be vaccinated. I choose these because I am free!

Quite frankly Phil, whether you do or do not catch Covid is not my concern. Don't want to appear heartless but I don't know you so you are irrelevant to me.

I think you are missing the point somewhat. If you are scared to death of this virus I suggest you stay at home. Whilst you are bunkered down, enjoy the social media clips of everyone else, who have decided to get on with their lives......at their own risk obviously! It's called freewill!

Sadly, it is misguided souls like yourself who will prolong the periods of restriction. You suggest I should stay at home - rather restrictive of my freedom is it not?

As with many people with no real argument it is easier to lampoon or ridicule an opposing view rather than attempt to understand it. I have watched and listened to many sides of the covid restrictions versus freedoms arguments and have made up my own mind. I believe Covid is a real and present danger to me, my family and this country. Hence I am doing what little I can to protect those who I care about - even you, who I do not know.

Phil, I hear you and, to an extent, realise your fears and also understand why my position is polar to yours.

We all know Covid is a virus, in extreme cases it can kill, but they are few a far between compared to the general populus.

My point is that you should be allowed to do what you wish as a freeman, as should I.

If you decide the virus, and possibly the contagion thereof, is too risky to step outdoors I respect your decision. But equally you must accept that life (the free version) must go on and we will have to live with the consequences. When my number's up, it's up......no virus will save me from that moment.

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

indeed...you dont have an answer other than admit you have been a selfish person all your life.......{ i know you have not
}..... but try using the same criteria you use for yourself across the board...

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

indeed...you dont have an answer other than admit you have been a selfish person all your life.......{ i know you have not
}..... but try using the same criteria you use for yourself across the board...

Try not cropping my post to suit your agenda! And I'm so selfish I've been taking people to hospital for cancer treatment and other urgent
care " AS A VOLUNTEER" while pandemic as been on even though I am extremely at risk if catch covid and cant wear mask either... just shows how selfish I am doesnt it.?
And that blows your theory of me wondering who can give me infection...

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Critical thinking is a must. Nothing wrong in questioning the main powerplayers. Not yet watched this vid link but will do.

Our society today I think is not self aware enough to question all aspects of life. People at our own level turn on each other and stand up for the privileged few.

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

indeed...you dont have an answer other than admit you have been a selfish person all your life.......{ i know you have not
}..... but try using the same criteria you use for yourself across the board...

Try not cropping my post to suit your agenda! And I'm so selfish I've been taking people to hospital for cancer treatment and other urgent
care " AS A VOLUNTEER" while pandemic as been on even though I am extremely at risk if catch covid and cant wear mask either... just shows how selfish I am doesnt it.?
And that blows your theory of me wondering who can give me infection...

i did not crop it......YOU EDITED IT........AS WELL YOU KNOW...

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

indeed...you dont have an answer other than admit you have been a selfish person all your life.......{ i know you have not
}..... but try using the same criteria you use for yourself across the board...

Try not cropping my post to suit your agenda! And I'm so selfish I've been taking people to hospital for cancer treatment and other urgent
care " AS A VOLUNTEER" while pandemic as been on even though I am extremely at risk if catch covid and cant wear mask either... just shows how selfish I am doesnt it.?
And that blows your theory of me wondering who can give me infection...

i did not crop it......YOU EDITED IT........AS WELL YOU KNOW...

Yes i added something you cropped it to take something out!
Anyway doesnt matter as my previous post makes your statement about me a lot of bullocks anyway cant stop and pass pleasantries as got 5 hour drive home from QE hospital Birmingham !! doing my bit for queen and country ... so have a nice day

Was ok until got to bit where he's basically saying he doesnt care get covid or doesnt care he gives it to anyone else? List being argument immediately he said that.. selfish is an understatement to describe him.

no doubt you spend your time wondering who exactly passed on infections to you for every illness you have had throughout your life... and who infact you might have passed infections onto. ? did they live ? or pass it on themselves to someone who died ? did you always self isolate... self isolate when someone you know has been ill just in case you are a carrier and asymptomatic.... ?
no nobody has.... didnt make you selfish now did it....

Whatever you say..

indeed...you dont have an answer other than admit you have been a selfish person all your life.......{ i know you have not
}..... but try using the same criteria you use for yourself across the board...

Try not cropping my post to suit your agenda! And I'm so selfish I've been taking people to hospital for cancer treatment and other urgent
care " AS A VOLUNTEER" while pandemic as been on even though I am extremely at risk if catch covid and cant wear mask either... just shows how selfish I am doesnt it.?
And that blows your theory of me wondering who can give me infection...

i did not crop it......YOU EDITED IT........AS WELL YOU KNOW...

Yes i smiled something you cropped it to take something out!
Anyway doesnt matter as my previous post makes your statement about me a lot of bullocks anyway cant stop and pass pleasantries as got 5 hour drive home from QE hospital Birmingham !! doing my bit for queen and country ... so have a nice day

yes it does matter because it actually says that you edited it.... and now your doubling down and lying .....

It's life Jim,but not as we know it,