“ CCFC SHIT OR BUST ? “

Summing Up 2021-2022 Season :

Very simply our upcoming season can be summed up in one thing only - can Mick Mc.Carthy pull us into the Premiere League with no money ?


THAT IS IT ! MICK MC.CARTHY - SHIT OR BUST !!!


Vincent Tan and therefore the Club and therefore Us fans are 100% relying on MM’s judgement on those he signed would gel with the rest of the team to produce a promotion side which in turn would save the club financially.


Very clearly and understandably , Tan is not ready to put any more money in our club - except if that is what is required to keep us alive. It may even be more - if we sell someone for big money , it is not certain that all this money can be used to buy players ….. I suspect not.


In the past some managers were given big money to produce a Premiere League team (reach the PL and stay there). MM has to do it with his wits , man management and team selection.



Will he succeed ??? If he fails……. God help us !!!!!!

Since we have so many issues to contend with and with no parachute payments Tan may decide to call it a day . We can not tell but it is possible that this is his last throw of the dice .

Like so many club owners all over the country - they try to buy their way up the divisions , which in turn accrues massive losses , until the owner has had enough and calls it a day. Yes the owners put themselves in that position - but every one has his threshold.


( 1) There is only one savior ……. reaching the PL with its riches ! So the questions are : (1) will MM succeed …… with no money ???

(2) if he does not ……. will Tan walk ???

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Time will tell of course but you cant imagine Tan remaining is the same situation almost missing out on play-offs every year so if we fail to make play-offs again then i think it could be the last time we hear from Tan. So time will tell of course we have got an incredible team full of youth and experienced players and I believe that this could be our season because we have got huge potential in the youth players that I have no doubt will thrive throughout this season when picked of coure.

The one saving grace is almost all other teams are in the same financial situation. I know there are 3 teams coming down from the PL with parachute payments but as we know well that doesn't always mean they have an advantage as that money soon disappears servicing contracts of players on PL wages who the teams can't get off the books.

We will need a rub of the green plus we need to keep Kieffer Moore and more importantly keep him fit. But if that happens and if we bolster the ranks with some good loans then I have a sneaky feeling we will do well next season.

I think we'll know a bit more at the end of this transfer window.

If we manage to hang on to Moore and the rest of our key players, buy/loan another couple of attacking players then I think we're better than we were last season.

If Moore is sold, or any other big players, then, depending on how that money is spent or not, we will have our answer on how ambitious the club now is.

I have welcomed the financial stability that Tan has given us. Whilst he may want to sell the club, he won't unless he can get somewhere near a price that would cover at least the majority of his investment. For that to happen we would have to be a Premiership club at the point of sale so that's probably the quandary that Tan finds himself in.

He wants to sell, but to achieve anywhere near the price he wants he will have to have another crack at promotion. That said, that approach can only go on for so long when he's ploughing in £1-£2m per month so this could be a pivotal season.

I can't really say I have confidence in the newcomers because I know little about them. So I'm having to put trust in MM judgement which is what the OP is applying to.

Excluding Bennett I don't think we will miss those that have left us. I gained confidence in the fact those that have made a step up from the U23 have to me proved themselves. I'm hoping all of them will go forward and prove themselves even more so. If we keep the likes of Moore then I feel we are going into the season well prepared. I do have the apprehension it could be a season to early for us to make that push into for the Premier.

I think we'll know a bit more at the end of this transfer window.

If we manage to hang on to Moore and the rest of our key players, buy/loan another couple of attacking players then I think we're better than we were last season.

If Moore is sold, or any other big players, then, depending on how that money is spent or not, we will have our answer on how ambitious the club now is.

I have welcomed the financial stability that Tan has given us. Whilst he may want to sell the club, he won't unless he can get somewhere near a price that would cover at least the majority of his investment. For that to happen we would have to be a Premiership club at the point of sale so that's probably the quandary that Tan finds himself in.

He wants to sell, but to achieve anywhere near the price he wants he will have to have another crack at promotion. That said, that approach can only go on for so long when he's ploughing in £1-£2m per month so this could be a pivotal season.

well apparently VT has turned down offers to sell... has that changed ? truth is we do not know or do we know what price { loss } he would find acceptable if he does...

When you read Vincent Tan's story, he is not used to failure and I feel sure that the last thing he wants is to leave the Bluebirds with that 'tag' on his back. However, it is and has been, clear for some considerable time that he realised that 'throwing money' at it didn't bring the 'sustained success' he had initially hoped for

Many will recall, he got involved through TG very reluctantly but was convinced it was an opportunity to broaden his portfolio and see his name up in lights; and he certainly achieved that, if not all for the right reasons

Whilst Dave Jones was doing a good job of keeping us in the promotion (and cup) mix with an attractive style most of us still yearn for, the appointment of Malky was pretty inspired, as he took the club to the Premier League for the first time in its history. What happened next was a mixture of poor personal management (Malky's texts) and poor decision-making (Tan appointing OGS) and it all went bosoms up

Those two people (Malky and OGS) saw a substantial outlay on players and in the end, for a multitude of reasons, the club were back where they started; in the Championship

After a poor start to the new season with OGS and with the renewed (and at times vicious and IMHO overly personal) attacks on hm by a section of disgruntled supporters, I personally think that was the point where Vincent Tan thought to himself, "I'm not throwing good money after bad anymore"

He did warn us and vocally at least, supporters made it clear that they were 'happy' with that, so long as he (rightly) reversed at least one of his early decisions. They sometimes need to remember that and take a portion of the responsibility for what came next

We cannot say he hasn't 'spent' since but there has been a massive shift in emphasis and it was a stroke of combined luck/genius when the club eventually appointed Neil Warnock as manager. What happened there will go down in the annuls of Cardiff City FC history

Back to today and it is clear that the club are being run on a tight budget and whilst it is easy to say the owner should be spending to accumulate, the truth of the Covid-19 pandemic is that many businesses (and none more so than the likes of Tan's leisure industry) have been rocked to the core and they are now evaluating their positions before moving forward again. Look around the leagues; very few are spending big

Shit or bust...?

This truly is a pivotal season for the club and for Vincent Tan himself, as we rely on Mick McCarthy to 'do a Warnock' and take the club to the next level on a budget and the only positives of that are Mick's enthusiasm/experience for the job and the fact that most other clubs (maybe not the demoted ones) are in the same boat or worse

If we succeed (as a club) the world will be well; but if we fail, the future may not be so clear and it will wholly depend on what Vincent does next; and that is and will remain unclear until it actually happens

The 'politician' says VT is in it for the long haul, yet we know as fact that at least two approaches to buy the club were met, initially at least, with some enthusiasm from the club side. That one was was eventually withdrawn and the other rebuked is common knowledge but it remains that under different circumstances we might have different owners right now

For me, I think Mick McCarthy will do exceptionally well to reach the play-offs and I dream of much more. Beyond that, VT has some decisions to make and if he feels he is not the man to take us forward as a club, then he should look to seriously afford someone else (maybe someone he seems reluctant to allow?) the opportunity to take us forward again

We know it can be done. We've been there and we can go there again but as in any money-driven industry, it takes someone with vision, finance and commitment to do it

I can't see us getting automatic promotion this season but MM does seem to be building a decent squad of players and for the first time in a decade we have an excellent set of players in the youth set up which will stand us in good stead for the next few years. As has been said every team in the division except for the relegated teams will be in the same position as us and most worse
Can see us making the playoffs and having a reasonable chance of going up that way. Better than the last time when Fulham and Brentford were obviously better than us.

Reasonbly optimistic about the season overall.

I think we'll know a bit more at the end of this transfer window.

If we manage to hang on to Moore and the rest of our key players, buy/loan another couple of attacking players then I think we're better than we were last season.

If Moore is sold, or any other big players, then, depending on how that money is spent or not, we will have our answer on how ambitious the club now is.

I have welcomed the financial stability that Tan has given us. Whilst he may want to sell the club, he won't unless he can get somewhere near a price that would cover at least the majority of his investment. For that to happen we would have to be a Premiership club at the point of sale so that's probably the quandary that Tan finds himself in.

He wants to sell, but to achieve anywhere near the price he wants he will have to have another crack at promotion. That said, that approach can only go on for so long when he's ploughing in £1-£2m per month so this could be a pivotal season.

well apparently VT has turned down offers to sell... has that changed ? truth is we do not know or do we know what price { loss } he would find acceptable if he does...

Agreed, and that demonstrates he isn't going to sell for the sake of it, he wants a decent return.

We won't know what the price he wants is, what we do know is that he's most likely to achieve that price if we're in, or around, the Premiership.

I think we'll know a bit more at the end of this transfer window.

If we manage to hang on to Moore and the rest of our key players, buy/loan another couple of attacking players then I think we're better than we were last season.

If Moore is sold, or any other big players, then, depending on how that money is spent or not, we will have our answer on how ambitious the club now is.

I have welcomed the financial stability that Tan has given us. Whilst he may want to sell the club, he won't unless he can get somewhere near a price that would cover at least the majority of his investment. For that to happen we would have to be a Premiership club at the point of sale so that's probably the quandary that Tan finds himself in.

He wants to sell, but to achieve anywhere near the price he wants he will have to have another crack at promotion. That said, that approach can only go on for so long when he's ploughing in £1-£2m per month so this could be a pivotal season.

well apparently VT has turned down offers to sell... has that changed ? truth is we do not know or do we know what price { loss } he would find acceptable if he does...

Agreed, and that demonstrates he isn't going to sell for the sake of it, he wants a decent return.

We won't know what the price he wants is, what we do know is that he's most likely to achieve that price if we're in, or around, the Premiership.

Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

I dont think its a simple does he or dosnt he support a push for the premier league,as we have seen over the last few months owners are not able to just throw money at a push for promotion, the FFP rules come into play with us and many other clubs, just look at Derby and Sheffield Wednesday, we are all now swimming around in a very different pond, the impact of Covid is yet to be fully realised.

When you read Vincent Tan's story, he is not used to failure and I feel sure that the last thing he wants is to leave the Bluebirds with that 'tag' on his back. However, it is and has been, clear for some considerable time that he realised that 'throwing money' at it didn't bring the 'sustained success' he had initially hoped for

Many will recall, he got involved through TG very reluctantly but was convinced it was an opportunity to broaden his portfolio and see his name up in lights; and he certainly achieved that, if not all for the right reasons

Whilst Dave Jones was doing a good job of keeping us in the promotion (and cup) mix with an attractive style most of us still yearn for, the appointment of Malky was pretty inspired, as he took the club to the Premier League for the first time in its history. What happened next was a mixture of poor personal management (Malky's texts) and poor decision-making (Tan appointing OGS) and it all went bosoms up

Those two people (Malky and OGS) saw a substantial outlay on players and in the end, for a multitude of reasons, the club were back where they started; in the Championship

After a poor start to the new season with OGS and with the renewed (and at times vicious and IMHO overly personal) attacks on hm by a section of disgruntled supporters, I personally think that was the point where Vincent Tan thought to himself, "I'm not throwing good money after bad anymore"

He did warn us and vocally at least, supporters made it clear that they were 'happy' with that, so long as he (rightly) reversed at least one of his early decisions. They sometimes need to remember that and take a portion of the responsibility for what came next

We cannot say he hasn't 'spent' since but there has been a massive shift in emphasis and it was a stroke of combined luck/genius when the club eventually appointed Neil Warnock as manager. What happened there will go down in the annuls of Cardiff City FC history

Back to today and it is clear that the club are being run on a tight budget and whilst it is easy to say the owner should be spending to accumulate, the truth of the Covid-19 pandemic is that many businesses (and none more so than the likes of Tan's leisure industry) have been rocked to the core and they are now evaluating their positions before moving forward again. Look around the leagues; very few are spending big

Shit or bust...?

This truly is a pivotal season for the club and for Vincent Tan himself, as we rely on Mick McCarthy to 'do a Warnock' and take the club to the next level on a budget and the only positives of that are Mick's enthusiasm/experience for the job and the fact that most other clubs (maybe not the demoted ones) are in the same boat or worse

If we succeed (as a club) the world will be well; but if we fail, the future may not be so clear and it will wholly depend on what Vincent does next; and that is and will remain unclear until it actually happens

The 'politician' says VT is in it for the long haul, yet we know as fact that at least two approaches to buy the club were met, initially at least, with some enthusiasm from the club side. That one was was eventually withdrawn and the other rebuked is common knowledge but it remains that under different circumstances we might have different owners right now

For me, I think Mick McCarthy will do exceptionally well to reach the play-offs and I dream of much more. Beyond that, VT has some decisions to make and if he feels he is not the man to take us forward as a club, then he should look to seriously afford someone else (maybe someone he seems reluctant to allow?) the opportunity to take us forward again

We know it can be done. We've been there and we can go there again but as in any money-driven industry, it takes someone with vision, finance and commitment to do it

texts had nothing to do with anything....they were not discovered until months after MM had been sacked..

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who exactly are in so much a better position ?

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was... [/quote]


And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was... [/quote]


And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.[/quote]

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

We've been up twice and still not financially better off. I dont enjoy the prem and the constant scrape to 40 points. I quite enjoy the championship thankyou very much.

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.[/quote]

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.[/quote]


im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...

I don’t expect us to be challenging for autos at all: I don’t think we have the quality or the resources to mount any real challenge. We now have a good group at the business end of the pitch to challenge for play offs; a very solid defence but…our WBs haven’t been anything like offensive enough and our CBs not able to carry the back out convincingly - this needs to alter to play 3 at the back. But the biggest problem, so far not addressed, is our midfield, which is lacking creativity, technical ability and confidence in possession. I like MM and he knows what he is doing. I like the youth policy but that all about being a good Championship team - it’s not about promotion really. And, for the moment, in the present circumstances, staying in this league and not going out of business is job done!!

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.[/quote]


im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...[/quote]

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...[/quote]

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.[/quote]


its very much like here mate..... the moaners are most likely those that jumped on as they climbed.... im talking about the core { those that did not later jump ship btw } that were there at the begining..
but anyway...he sold Wimbledon { mess ? } for a decent price as a premier league club having taken over a non league club.... and the exact same as every club ever sold the seller has no idea what the new owners will do.... you must realise that if VT ever sold our club its a toss of a coin how good the next owner might be....

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.[/quote]


its very much like here mate..... the moaners are most likely those that jumped on as they climbed.... im talking about the core { those that did not later jump ship btw } that were there at the begining..
but anyway...he sold Wimbledon { mess ? } for a decent price as a premier league club having taken over a non league club.... and the exact same as every club ever sold the seller has no idea what the new owners will do.... you must realise that if VT ever sold our club its a toss of a coin how good the next owner might be....[/quote]

I do !!

I'd just rather mitigate against any disasters as much as possible by looking at the prospective incumbents past records

I'd rather things didn't change right now, maybe I'm risk averse But I just don't want to go back to that era where we lurched from boom to, almost, bust with worrying regularity.

Black Friday, HMRC winding ups, etc. Some people only remember the good bits but for me, they were some of the most worrying times I've experienced in 50+ years of supporting this club (and that includes the Kumars !!).

If Carlsberg had a say, Tan would sell to a passionate Welsh business with amble funds available with a Welsh Manger who has a vision of sustainability in the Prem.

When you read Vincent Tan's story, he is not used to failure and I feel sure that the last thing he wants is to leave the Bluebirds with that 'tag' on his back. However, it is and has been, clear for some considerable time that he realised that 'throwing money' at it didn't bring the 'sustained success' he had initially hoped for

Many will recall, he got involved through TG very reluctantly but was convinced it was an opportunity to broaden his portfolio and see his name up in lights; and he certainly achieved that, if not all for the right reasons

Whilst Dave Jones was doing a good job of keeping us in the promotion (and cup) mix with an attractive style most of us still yearn for, the appointment of Malky was pretty inspired, as he took the club to the Premier League for the first time in its history. What happened next was a mixture of poor personal management (Malky's texts) and poor decision-making (Tan appointing OGS) and it all went bosoms up

Those two people (Malky and OGS) saw a substantial outlay on players and in the end, for a multitude of reasons, the club were back where they started; in the Championship

After a poor start to the new season with OGS and with the renewed (and at times vicious and IMHO overly personal) attacks on hm by a section of disgruntled supporters, I personally think that was the point where Vincent Tan thought to himself, "I'm not throwing good money after bad anymore"

He did warn us and vocally at least, supporters made it clear that they were 'happy' with that, so long as he (rightly) reversed at least one of his early decisions. They sometimes need to remember that and take a portion of the responsibility for what came next

We cannot say he hasn't 'spent' since but there has been a massive shift in emphasis and it was a stroke of combined luck/genius when the club eventually appointed Neil Warnock as manager. What happened there will go down in the annuls of Cardiff City FC history

Back to today and it is clear that the club are being run on a tight budget and whilst it is easy to say the owner should be spending to accumulate, the truth of the Covid-19 pandemic is that many businesses (and none more so than the likes of Tan's leisure industry) have been rocked to the core and they are now evaluating their positions before moving forward again. Look around the leagues; very few are spending big

Shit or bust...?

This truly is a pivotal season for the club and for Vincent Tan himself, as we rely on Mick McCarthy to 'do a Warnock' and take the club to the next level on a budget and the only positives of that are Mick's enthusiasm/experience for the job and the fact that most other clubs (maybe not the demoted ones) are in the same boat or worse

If we succeed (as a club) the world will be well; but if we fail, the future may not be so clear and it will wholly depend on what Vincent does next; and that is and will remain unclear until it actually happens

The 'politician' says VT is in it for the long haul, yet we know as fact that at least two approaches to buy the club were met, initially at least, with some enthusiasm from the club side. That one was was eventually withdrawn and the other rebuked is common knowledge but it remains that under different circumstances we might have different owners right now

For me, I think Mick McCarthy will do exceptionally well to reach the play-offs and I dream of much more. Beyond that, VT has some decisions to make and if he feels he is not the man to take us forward as a club, then he should look to seriously afford someone else (maybe someone he seems reluctant to allow?) the opportunity to take us forward again

We know it can be done. We've been there and we can go there again but as in any money-driven industry, it takes someone with vision, finance and commitment to do it

texts had nothing to do with anything....they were not discovered until months after MM had been sacked..

Really? Then why exactly was he sacked...?

The texts ONLY CAME TO LIGHT AFTER he was sacked; not necessarily that it wasn't the original reason

When you read Vincent Tan's story, he is not used to failure and I feel sure that the last thing he wants is to leave the Bluebirds with that 'tag' on his back. However, it is and has been, clear for some considerable time that he realised that 'throwing money' at it didn't bring the 'sustained success' he had initially hoped for

Many will recall, he got involved through TG very reluctantly but was convinced it was an opportunity to broaden his portfolio and see his name up in lights; and he certainly achieved that, if not all for the right reasons

Whilst Dave Jones was doing a good job of keeping us in the promotion (and cup) mix with an attractive style most of us still yearn for, the appointment of Malky was pretty inspired, as he took the club to the Premier League for the first time in its history. What happened next was a mixture of poor personal management (Malky's texts) and poor decision-making (Tan appointing OGS) and it all went bosoms up

Those two people (Malky and OGS) saw a substantial outlay on players and in the end, for a multitude of reasons, the club were back where they started; in the Championship

After a poor start to the new season with OGS and with the renewed (and at times vicious and IMHO overly personal) attacks on hm by a section of disgruntled supporters, I personally think that was the point where Vincent Tan thought to himself, "I'm not throwing good money after bad anymore"

He did warn us and vocally at least, supporters made it clear that they were 'happy' with that, so long as he (rightly) reversed at least one of his early decisions. They sometimes need to remember that and take a portion of the responsibility for what came next

We cannot say he hasn't 'spent' since but there has been a massive shift in emphasis and it was a stroke of combined luck/genius when the club eventually appointed Neil Warnock as manager. What happened there will go down in the annuls of Cardiff City FC history

Back to today and it is clear that the club are being run on a tight budget and whilst it is easy to say the owner should be spending to accumulate, the truth of the Covid-19 pandemic is that many businesses (and none more so than the likes of Tan's leisure industry) have been rocked to the core and they are now evaluating their positions before moving forward again. Look around the leagues; very few are spending big

Shit or bust...?

This truly is a pivotal season for the club and for Vincent Tan himself, as we rely on Mick McCarthy to 'do a Warnock' and take the club to the next level on a budget and the only positives of that are Mick's enthusiasm/experience for the job and the fact that most other clubs (maybe not the demoted ones) are in the same boat or worse

If we succeed (as a club) the world will be well; but if we fail, the future may not be so clear and it will wholly depend on what Vincent does next; and that is and will remain unclear until it actually happens

The 'politician' says VT is in it for the long haul, yet we know as fact that at least two approaches to buy the club were met, initially at least, with some enthusiasm from the club side. That one was was eventually withdrawn and the other rebuked is common knowledge but it remains that under different circumstances we might have different owners right now

For me, I think Mick McCarthy will do exceptionally well to reach the play-offs and I dream of much more. Beyond that, VT has some decisions to make and if he feels he is not the man to take us forward as a club, then he should look to seriously afford someone else (maybe someone he seems reluctant to allow?) the opportunity to take us forward again

We know it can be done. We've been there and we can go there again but as in any money-driven industry, it takes someone with vision, finance and commitment to do it

texts had nothing to do with anything....they were not discovered until months after MM had been sacked..

Really? Then why exactly was he sacked...?

The texts ONLY CAME TO LIGHT AFTER he was sacked; not necessarily that it wasn't the original reason

yes REALLY....they came to light during a search order of the computers and phones of MM and IM the March following his sacking ....

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.

its very much like here mate..... the moaners are most likely those that jumped on as they climbed.... im talking about the core { those that did not later jump ship btw } that were there at the begining..
but anyway...he sold Wimbledon { mess ? } for a decent price as a premier league club having taken over a non league club.... and the exact same as every club ever sold the seller has no idea what the new owners will do.... you must realise that if VT ever sold our club its a toss of a coin how good the next owner might be....[/quote]

I do !!

I'd just rather mitigate against any disasters as much as possible by looking at the prospective incumbents past records

I'd rather things didn't change right now, maybe I'm risk averse But I just don't want to go back to that era where we lurched from boom to, almost, bust with worrying regularity.

Black Friday, HMRC winding ups, etc. Some people only remember the good bits but for me, they were some of the most worrying times I've experienced in 50+ years of supporting this club (and that includes the Kumars !!).[/quote]


im sure the HMRC winding up order was a while after sam.. ...? or does every previous owner take a slice of blame maybe Bartley can have 10%....as for black friday... yep we got relegated....oh no im wrong it was followed by our best finish in 27 years.....

Until we see the final squad I think it is too soon to judge it, but I certainly expect more movement both in and out of the mid-field.

I have followed the City since 1966 and the only time we've got to the top division has been with Vincent Tan, but I think his problem is his backup team.

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.

its very much like here mate..... the moaners are most likely those that jumped on as they climbed.... im talking about the core { those that did not later jump ship btw } that were there at the begining..
but anyway...he sold Wimbledon { mess ? } for a decent price as a premier league club having taken over a non league club.... and the exact same as every club ever sold the seller has no idea what the new owners will do.... you must realise that if VT ever sold our club its a toss of a coin how good the next owner might be....

I do !!

I'd just rather mitigate against any disasters as much as possible by looking at the prospective incumbents past records

I'd rather things didn't change right now, maybe I'm risk averse But I just don't want to go back to that era where we lurched from boom to, almost, bust with worrying regularity.

Black Friday, HMRC winding ups, etc. Some people only remember the good bits but for me, they were some of the most worrying times I've experienced in 50+ years of supporting this club (and that includes the Kumars !!).[/quote]


im sure the HMRC winding up order was a while after sam.. ...? or does every previous owner take a slice of blame maybe Bartley can have 10%....as for black friday... yep we got relegated....oh no im wrong it was followed by our best finish in 27 years.....[/quote]

If you're actually trying to claim that Black Friday was OK then I think we'll have to agree to differ on that

Flying your captain and talisman to Wigan in a helicopter in tears just to make sure we got a transfer fee is no way to run a club. I won't even start on the selling of Gabbidon and Collins for a combined fee of less than £5m !!!!!

Just for a bit of balance, read the details of the attached article on how Sam managed to make a large amount of money out of Wimbledon by selling not only the club, but also the ground to a supermarket chain.

If you still want him involved in our club then fair play to you, but count me out.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 55934.html

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Offer one was withdrawn by the (American) bidders after they saw our books; and offer two was rebuked when the club found out who the driving force was...

And for me, this is the issue. If the two of them could find a way of working together and combining their wealth, I really do believe we would have a competitive Premier League team.

Whilst Sam is a rich man compared to most of us he simply doesn't have the capital required to both buy and then invest in a top half Championship club like ours.

To do so he would have to either have to borrow significantly or have a number of other investors willing to buy in and let him get on with it. Given his past history with football clubs I just can't see the latter happening (and for the record, nor would I want it to).

In any event, I don't see Tan selling to him so it ain't going to happen.

im not desperate to have Sam here ..or any new owner or VT to leave... .but this ...nor would i want him to ..line always baffles me.... he pushed the club as far as he could and back in 2000 thats exactly what everyone wanted him to do.... by the time he left we were a completely different proposition to when he arrived... and as you used the plural clubs....go ask any non league fan who knows nothing bar non league football if they would like the ride Wimbledon had...

Or maybe ask the Wimbledon fans about the mess and lack of stability he left them in resulting in losing their club completely and it being split into two separate entities ?

He sold up with little thought for the future of that club, I simply worry he would do the same here if push ever came to shove.

its very much like here mate..... the moaners are most likely those that jumped on as they climbed.... im talking about the core { those that did not later jump ship btw } that were there at the begining..
but anyway...he sold Wimbledon { mess ? } for a decent price as a premier league club having taken over a non league club.... and the exact same as every club ever sold the seller has no idea what the new owners will do.... you must realise that if VT ever sold our club its a toss of a coin how good the next owner might be....

I do !!

I'd just rather mitigate against any disasters as much as possible by looking at the prospective incumbents past records

I'd rather things didn't change right now, maybe I'm risk averse But I just don't want to go back to that era where we lurched from boom to, almost, bust with worrying regularity.

Black Friday, HMRC winding ups, etc. Some people only remember the good bits but for me, they were some of the most worrying times I've experienced in 50+ years of supporting this club (and that includes the Kumars !!).

im sure the HMRC winding up order was a while after sam.. ...? or does every previous owner take a slice of blame maybe Bartley can have 10%....as for black friday... yep we got relegated....oh no im wrong it was followed by our best finish in 27 years.....[/quote]

If you're actually trying to claim that Black Friday was OK then I think we'll have to agree to differ on that

Flying your captain and talisman to Wigan in a helicopter in tears just to make sure we got a transfer fee is no way to run a club. I won't even start on the selling of Gabbidon and Collins for a combined fee of less than £5m !!!!!

Just for a bit of balance, read the details of the attached article on how Sam managed to make a large amount of money out of Wimbledon by selling not only the club, but also the ground to a supermarket chain.

If you still want him involved in our club then fair play to you, but count me out.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 55934.html[/quote]



no i havent said i WANT Sam.....just being fair and sticking up against falsehoods like the HMRC claim amongst others tbh....
yes ive read it { the link } along with loads of other stuff..... lets try plough lane hadnt been used by Wimbledons first team for years...because quite simply it was not up to premier league safety standards so they were playing at Selhurst Park... ..Sam ,years earlier had bought the ground off Wimbledon at an enormous profit to WFC who had themselves bought the covenant off the council....
black friday .... come on , clubs often sell to balance books we have done it under VT only there is no one running around calling it black anything...if we sell KM is that the new black friday ? . kav was sold for 400k and a year later after a full prem season for 100k more , and the 3.5mill for Gabbidon and Collins , was a pretty decent price for 2 CBs from a bottom half championship club .. wasnt the only offer we had it was the best offer...no doubt somne fans think they were wirth 20 rimes more but thats always the case....
and yes Sam made money when he sold WFC... surely youd be wishing that the day VT sells our club he too will make a profit ....it means the club is worth more than when he arrived...who on earth would want it to be worth less....?

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