TUC?

What a bunch of lefty wankers!

That "Bob" tw*t, the people should come out onto the streets in support. What a fuckin left wing guardian reader, come out onto the streets of London soppy tw*t, you'd have your throat ripped out and your head shoved so far up your arse you'd be begging that allah give to you 39 male virgins.

Time to get into the real world cunts, there's no members cos you sold them out whilst pricking around.

The people are now far more aware (CCMB excepted) than ever before. Bob Crowe, if you f**k up my dream of Cardiff City being in the top league in the world, I will not only beat you to within 1mm of your life, I'll stick my finger or fingers right up your homosexual arse with a virus that you and your friends ain't seen yet. The "whatawankeryoucunt". Only infects lefty fuckwits.

Why would BC f**K CCFC's chances of top flight football, out of curiosity?

Why would BC f**K CCFC's chances of top flight football, out of curiosity?

Is that a serious question?

Yess???

Fine.

To put it very simply, the Consersative government under Thatcher manged to pay our (the country that is) debts back, even the loans for WW2 it was tough, it was hard but the job was done. The New Socialist government got in and fair play, it took them longer than usual to f**k it up, but fucked it up they did.

Crying to the people of, London for example, doesn't work anymore. As it happens the strong hold of c**t's union, the Northern Line, ran trains all day during the strike.

His method of operation (mo on teledu) is. like most lefties, to divide the people. Should normal folk, the so called right, get off their arse then (to quote Bob Marley) every little ting will be alright.

Fine.

To put it very simply, the Consersative government under Thatcher manged to pay our (the country that is) debts back, even the loans for WW2 it was tough, it was hard but the job was done. The New Socialist government got in and fair play, it took them longer than usual to f**k it up, but fucked it up they did.

Crying to the people of, London for example, doesn't work anymore. As it happens the strong hold of c**t's union, the Northern Line, ran trains all day during the strike.

His method of operation (mo on teledu) is. like most lefties, to divide the people. Should normal folk, the so called right, get off their arse then (to quote Bob Marley) every little ting will be alright.

Not to interrupt a good rant, but the WWII debts were not repaid until well into Blair's regime.

I'm just interested in Cardiff City Association Football Club, where does it fit in with all this political TUC stuff?

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

Out of interest what degree do you have and what job are you looking for?

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

Was your degree in medical science? Just wonder because you seem a self appointed expert on the ability of the sick and disabled to work.

Everyone knows there is a problem with Incapcity Benefit/ESA but it is not all down to people's laziness to work, they can be victims of circumstances. For example I could now assume you are a lazy arsed post graduate who makes excuses not to work rather than unable to work due to the current economic climate. The very same can apply to the sick and disabled which is enhanced by their condition.

Finally I would also point out that anyone claiming ESA is at best being paid £96 per week which isn't exactly a fortune.

What a bunch of lefty wankers!

That "Bob" tw*t, the people should come out onto the streets in support. What a fuckin left wing guardian reader, come out onto the streets of London soppy tw*t, you'd have your throat ripped out and your head shoved so far up your arse you'd be begging that allah give to you 39 male virgins.

Time to get into the real world cunts, there's no members cos you sold them out whilst pricking around.

The people are now far more aware (CCMB excepted) than ever before. Bob Crowe, if you f**k up my dream of Cardiff City being in the top league in the world, I will not only beat you to within 1mm of your life, I'll stick my finger or fingers right up your homosexual arse with a virus that you and your friends ain't seen yet. The "whatawankeryoucunt". Only infects lefty fuckwits.

I have to agree with Rick, Bob Crowe and his Union buddies have no affect whatsoever on Cardiff City's promotion prospects no matter how much you waffle.

However, his team Millwall might have a say, but I doubt it

What a bunch of lefty wankers!

That "Bob" tw*t, the people should come out onto the streets in support. What a fuckin left wing guardian reader, come out onto the streets of London soppy tw*t, you'd have your throat ripped out and your head shoved so far up your arse you'd be begging that allah give to you 39 male virgins.

Time to get into the real world cunts, there's no members cos you sold them out whilst pricking around.

The people are now far more aware (CCMB excepted) than ever before. Bob Crowe, if you f**k up my dream of Cardiff City being in the top league in the world, I will not only beat you to within 1mm of your life, I'll stick my finger or fingers right up your homosexual arse with a virus that you and your friends ain't seen yet. The "whatawankeryoucunt". Only infects lefty fuckwits.

I have to agree with Rick, Bob Crowe and his Union buddies have no affect whatsoever on Cardiff City's promotion prospects no matter how much you waffle.

However, his team Millwall might have a say, but I doubt it

Aaaarrrrr, so Bob Crowe is a Millwall fan,,, now i understand.

Maggie did not manage to pay all the debts that this country owed.She did manage however to sell all the countries assests, Gas,Electric,Telecom etc. And in the process she lined the pockets of her rich cronies.As for the countries present debts when are the banks going to pay back what they owe instead of giving obscene bonuses to top management.

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

Was your degree in medical science? Just wonder because you seem a self appointed expert on the ability of the sick and disabled to work.

Everyone knows there is a problem with Incapcity Benefit/ESA but it is not all down to people's laziness to work, they can be victims of circumstances. For example I could now assume you are a lazy arsed post graduate who makes excuses not to work rather than unable to work due to the current economic climate. The very same can apply to the sick and disabled which is enhanced by their condition.

Finally I would also point out that anyone claiming ESA is at best being paid £96 per week which isn't exactly a fortune.

No, I don't have a degree in medical science. And IF you actually read my post, you'd see that I mentioned that I'm part of a union in my current job, so you saying you could assume I'm a lazy post grad using an excuse is pretty dumb. Don't you agree?'

Perhaps you should take a trip to Aberdare or Merthyr and see exactly how many people on the sick are claiming falsely and are actually working cash in hand. Also, its not just IB they get, but free school dinners for their kids, council tax discount and help with rent. If 2 people who didn't deserve IB were not claiming it, then surely that could afford 1 more job in social services, or 1 more ambulance driver etc. I won't tell you how many people I know of who are claiming falsely.

And for whoever asked, I wanted to join the police and the back up plan was public sector.

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

Was your degree in medical science? Just wonder because you seem a self appointed expert on the ability of the sick and disabled to work.

Everyone knows there is a problem with Incapcity Benefit/ESA but it is not all down to people's laziness to work, they can be victims of circumstances. For example I could now assume you are a lazy arsed post graduate who makes excuses not to work rather than unable to work due to the current economic climate. The very same can apply to the sick and disabled which is enhanced by their condition.

Finally I would also point out that anyone claiming ESA is at best being paid £96 per week which isn't exactly a fortune.

No, I don't have a degree in medical science. And IF you actually read my post, you'd see that I mentioned that I'm part of a union in my current job, so you saying you could assume I'm a lazy post grad using an excuse is pretty dumb. Don't you agree?'

Perhaps you should take a trip to Aberdare or Merthyr and see exactly how many people on the sick are claiming falsely and are actually working cash in hand. Also, its not just IB they get, but free school dinners for their kids, council tax discount and help with rent. If 2 people who didn't deserve IB were not claiming it, then surely that could afford 1 more job in social services, or 1 more ambulance driver etc. I won't tell you how many people I know of who are claiming falsely.

And for whoever asked, I wanted to join the police and the back up plan was public sector.

With regard to Union membership you don’t actually have to be in work to be a member of a trade union. I am medically retired but I have retained my membership of the GMB since giving up work so I fail to see why it is ‘dumb’ not to assume you were working.

My point is you appear to want to blame the sick and disabled for your own personal failings in not getting your preferred career.

I base this on a number of references you have made about the benefit system. Incapacity Benefit or Contributory Employment and Support Allowance are NOT passport benefits to free school dinners (although why anyone would want to starve the children of the sick and disabled is beyond me) council tax benefit or housing benefit.

You have made a number of assumptions that anyone who is claiming IB or ESA and working is doing so fraudulently. Did you know claimants of ESA or IB are allowed to do 'permitted work' and you could be making a terrible malicious assessment of people who are doing their best to return to the work place? Also Disability Living Allowance is an in work benefit so it does-not automatically mean anyone claiming this benefit and who is working is doing so fraudulently. Indeed anyone who is in work and claims DLA actually gets more money than those who don’t.

Also you say you won’t give a number to how many to ‘know’ who are claiming fraudulent sickness benefits. That sets alarm bells ringing, because if you are going to come on a public message board and make such claims about the sick and disabled in Aberdare and Merthyr then you should be 100% sure of your facts and willing to back them up.

On the other hand if it is just your ‘opinion’ that these people are swinging the lead, then I now hope you now understand that things are not always as obvious as you might think and you would gracious enough to change that opinion until you know for sure circumstances are different.

Fine.

To put it very simply, the Consersative government under Thatcher manged to pay our (the country that is) debts back, even the loans for WW2 it was tough, it was hard but the job was done. The New Socialist government got in and fair play, it took them longer than usual to f**k it up, but fucked it up they did.

Crying to the people of, London for example, doesn't work anymore. As it happens the strong hold of c**t's union, the Northern Line, ran trains all day during the strike.

His method of operation (mo on teledu) is. like most lefties, to divide the people. Should normal folk, the so called right, get off their arse then (to quote Bob Marley) every little ting will be alright.

Just for your info, Thatcher wrecked our country, putting our miners on the dole when there are over 200 years worth of good quality coking coal below our feet. The WW11 dept was paid off under a socialist government. Thatcher sold our most treasured comodity which was north sea oil. Icould go on, but lets get one thing straight:

THATCHER AND THE f*cking TORIES RUINED OUR COUNTRY, EVERYTHING THEY GOT THEIR HANDS ON THEY SOLD!

There will be a huge party in our house when the bitch pops her cloggs. And no, I dont vote Labour! Rant over

Fine.

To put it very simply, the Consersative government under Thatcher manged to pay our (the country that is) debts back, even the loans for WW2 it was tough, it was hard but the job was done. The New Socialist government got in and fair play, it took them longer than usual to f**k it up, but fucked it up they did.

Crying to the people of, London for example, doesn't work anymore. As it happens the strong hold of c**t's union, the Northern Line, ran trains all day during the strike.

His method of operation (mo on teledu) is. like most lefties, to divide the people. Should normal folk, the so called right, get off their arse then (to quote Bob Marley) every little ting will be alright.

Just for your info, Thatcher wrecked our country, putting our miners on the dole when there are over 200 years worth of good quality coking coal below our feet. The WW11 dept was paid off under a socialist government. Thatcher sold our most treasured comodity which was north sea oil. Icould go on, but lets get one thing straight:

THATCHER AND THE f*cking TORIES RUINED OUR COUNTRY, EVERYTHING THEY GOT THEIR HANDS ON THEY SOLD!

There will be a huge party in our house when the bitch pops her cloggs. And no, I dont vote Labour! Rant over

Exactly, saying Thatcher saved the UK and especially Wales is taking the fuckin piss.
Thatcher was a c**t who shat all over Wales and sold the UK's assets.
On the other hand Tony Blair was also a c**t who did almost nothing to reverse Thatchers traitor policies and wasted billions of our money on utter bollocks and Gordon Brown was a one eyed c**t who sold all our gold.
f**k them all - I doubt the Coalition will be any better - traitor posh cunts who seem to want to sell even more of our assets.

And regarding Benefits, I deal with a lot of people who are appealing benefits descisions every week and to be fair a lot of them don't deserve them and are taking the piss how long they have been on them. Although some people are being thrown off benefits who really do deserve them.
Benefits should be a safety net available for everyone who needs them not a lifestyle choice. On the other hand there are far better ways to pay off the deficit that wouldn't cause as much suffering to the poorest in society - first step banks who do tax avoidance etc.

Fine.

To put it very simply, the Consersative government under Thatcher manged to pay our (the country that is) debts back, even the loans for WW2 it was tough, it was hard but the job was done. The New Socialist government got in and fair play, it took them longer than usual to f**k it up, but fucked it up they did.

Crying to the people of, London for example, doesn't work anymore. As it happens the strong hold of c**t's union, the Northern Line, ran trains all day during the strike.

His method of operation (mo on teledu) is. like most lefties, to divide the people. Should normal folk, the so called right, get off their arse then (to quote Bob Marley) every little ting will be alright.

Just for your info, Thatcher wrecked our country, putting our miners on the dole when there are over 200 years worth of good quality coking coal below our feet. The WW11 dept was paid off under a socialist government. Thatcher sold our most treasured comodity which was north sea oil. Icould go on, but lets get one thing straight:

THATCHER AND THE f*cking TORIES RUINED OUR COUNTRY, EVERYTHING THEY GOT THEIR HANDS ON THEY SOLD!

There will be a huge party in our house when the bitch pops her cloggs. And no, I dont vote Labour! Rant over

Exactly, saying Thatcher saved the UK and especially Wales is taking the fuckin piss.
Thatcher was a c**t who shat all over Wales and sold the UK's assets.
On the other hand Tony Blair was also a c**t who did almost nothing to reverse Thatchers traitor policies and wasted billions of our money on utter bollocks and Gordon Brown was a one eyed c**t who sold all our gold.
f**k them all - I doubt the Coalition will be any better - traitor posh cunts who seem to want to sell even more of our assets.

And regarding Benefits, I deal with a lot of people who are appealing benefits descisions every week and to be fair a lot of them don't deserve them and are taking the piss how long they have been on them. Although some people are being thrown off benefits who really do deserve them.
Benefits should be a safety net available for everyone who needs them not a lifestyle choice. On the other hand there are far better ways to pay off the deficit that wouldn't cause as much suffering to the poorest in society - first step banks who do tax avoidance etc.

My mother and my nan have about 40years experience between them in social security/jobcentreplus and always come home telling me how many people were ripping the system off.

problem is there is still so many ripping the system off & getting away with it!!

Some very interesting points and views, I think I have proved my point.

The TUC calling for a "mass protest" brings us back to dark ages pre Thatcher, the country's up to its arse in debt, we cannot compete with the so called third world on a cost base level (yes that is an entirely different arguement and in most ways I'll be agreeing with the so called lefties), the previous gevernment borrowed far more than we, as a country, can hope to pay back, they were even borowing when we had a trade surplus. I wouldn't like to estimate as most people just "get on"with it, but the feeling I have from here and CCMB, although that thas nothing to do with me whatsoever (Cardiff Red, appears to be a Forest fan!!),is that it may well be split fairly evenly as to who will be on the TUC side, stop the cuts and those on the other side, the errm general population.

In my industry, the jobs lost over the last few years are unquantifiable and once those people are out of the system it isvery difficult to get them back. During the last couple of recessions, I'll include the 9/11 event as that had a severe impact on the development industry, a lot of company's didn't take on graduate engineers with the net result that we now have severe gaps in the industry skill set. This hands an advantage to our fellow Europeans who are able to step in and provide the required services at reasonable (inflated to me) cost. Despite my, and many many others best efforts there is sod all we can about it!

As to benefit cheats, yes, its become something of major industry but there are many people in genuine need who don't claim what they are entitled to. I don't have the figures but with a bit patience on google they can be found, from memory it used to more or less balance out in the UK, not good but manageable. I'm an example of the stupidity of the last government, I worked contract for around ten years on a 6 to 8 month basis, the rest of the time off. Didn't "sign on" as I earned enough to keep me happy when I wasn't working so didn't need it, leave for folk in genuine need, an extreme right wing view I agree but hey ho! I then got bothered by Gordons tax givers, if I paid x pounds in retrospective national insurance contributions to protect my pension (yey right, they'll be f**k all left for people my age) and I would be credited with unemployment benefit. A quick calculation in my head at the time of the interview, they would have given me more money back than they wanted off me, madness!!

As an aside I was trying to find the original spoof "gordon is a moron" not the jilted john version but the one made in early 2009 about Mr Brown but that appears to have been removed from the internet...

I'm starting to waffle so I'll stop..

Personally, I'm just pissed of that after 4 years in uni (during which I was told a degree would be a big advantage when applying for a job in my chosen career) there now seems absolutely no chance of me getting into my chosen proffession for years. And worse still my back up plan is now the same as there's cut in that area too.

Yet I know loads of people falsely claiming incapacity benefit because they are too lazy to work. How about they cut benefits instead? Then we'll see how much money this country saves. I can understand the TUC's argument and being a member of a union in my current job, id expect no less than what they're doing now.

With all due respect there has been far more degree holders compared to degree level positions in this area. The problem has gone on for decades so if you decided not to listen to that information then its your fault alone.

A generic problem created by the "fairness" of the previous government. Not all degrees are created equal, my first one, BSc Civil Engineering involved 37 hours per week lectures (Weds afternoon off for "sport") in Lanchester Poly now Coventry University. Whilst there I knew many folk on different courses, a lady or two on the now infamous Media Studies BA, one or two hours a week, examined by course work only which quite frankly a CCMBer could pass with ease.

Now I have very good graduate engineers, most of which are hocked up to the eyeballs with student loans thanks to Gordon and his ilk whilst my Scottish born/educated grads can afford to take time off to swan around the world as they have no such burden. Is that fair?

At the moment I have a guy working in one of the teams working for free, yes for nothing apart from travel expenses and £3 for his lunch.I find that absolutely abhorrent but he's doing it to gain experience in the hope that he can get a job at some point. I'd love to take him on but I cannot as we're about to make more people redundant so will have some "redeployees" imposed on me, those with Oxford/Cambridge degrees

Ah shit now my alarm systems playing up,should have learned by now never piss off the lefties