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Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:59 am
Ninian27 wrote:Hi Keith,
Can you clarify, so what is our current updated debt? Did Vincent Tan withdraw any money? wages have come downCovid was only part of this season, am i correct as seven months had already gone before it hit football?
So does our club have other debtors than Vincent Tan? do we pay interest?
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:02 am
Always City wrote:Administrative expenses fell by £26.7m from £62.1m to £35.4m.
So they were £62.1mill in 2019.
What do these expenses cover?
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:07 am
Always City wrote:Keith, morning, i am also curious. Choo and Dalman what did they receive in these accounts? what are the expenses taking out of the club over all?
Council own the ground, we have 150 year leasedo we pay rent?
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:13 am
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:21 am
Ninian1962 wrote:Always City wrote:Administrative expenses fell by £26.7m from £62.1m to £35.4m.
So they were £62.1mill in 2019.
What do these expenses cover?
They cover most expenses such as non playing staff wages , lease of the stadium and other stadium maintenance costs, depreciation of assets etc. The 2019 figure was also much higher because it included a provision of over £19m for settlement of the Emiliano Sala dispute.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:21 am
wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:22 am
wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:29 am
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:29 am
Always City wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Mate Covid was less than 2 months of these accounts and its shocking what Dalman and Directors get. Dalman also said Tan was only debtor, more bullshit
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:29 am
Always City wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Mate Covid was less than 2 months of these accounts and its shocking what Dalman and Directors get. Dalman also said Tan was only debtor, more bullshit
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:30 am
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:32 am
Ninian1962 wrote:Ninian27 wrote:Hi Keith,
Can you clarify, so what is our current updated debt? Did Vincent Tan withdraw any money? wages have come downCovid was only part of this season, am i correct as seven months had already gone before it hit football?
So does our club have other debtors than Vincent Tan? do we pay interest?
As at 31 May 2020 (remember that is a year ago now) the club had loans of £48.9m due to Vincent Tan and £37.6m due to others.
During the year Vincent Tan put in £14m of new loans , and got some repayments coming to £5.1m. Other loans of £11m came in during the year from other lenders. The loans were needed to fund cash outflows during the year as normal trading activities didn`t generate enough cash to make payments such as £24.7m of instalments on player transfers in.
Wages costs did indeed come down from £53.7m to £35.6m following our relegation from the Premier League. Of this amount £27.9m related to player wages (2019 £42.5m). I expect the 2020/21 figure to be lower again and will also need to be next season in the absence of parachute money.
The 2020 loss figure was higher than it would normally have been because the season was delayed beyond the 31 May accounts date, so about £11m of income was carried forward into the next set of financial figures. Without this adjustment the 2019/20 accounts would have shown roughly a breakeven result rather than a loss.
Keith
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:33 am
maccydee wrote:Always City wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Mate Covid was less than 2 months of these accounts and its shocking what Dalman and Directors get. Dalman also said Tan was only debtor, more bullshit
The other debt might be Tan but a different company. Like when Sam was Langstone.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:40 am
wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:45 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
That's absolute rubbish and you know it.
These accounts cover a very short period of Covid. If the whole Covid period was represented, they would be far worse.
More bullshit from Dalman when he said the only debt we had was to Tan (even though Tan said we'd be debt free by now).
The other debtors aren't registered charges at companies house but they're still debts.
In these accounts, Tan has still not converted any of our debts to him to shares.
The money taken out of the club by these people is a disgrace.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:47 am
bluebirdoct1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Yes that’s what my (very very limited) knowledge of accounts tells me too. Hopefully with a lower wage bill and fans back soon we’ll be looking a lot better.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:47 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
That's absolute rubbish and you know it.
These accounts cover a very short period of Covid. If the whole Covid period was represented, they would be far worse.
More bullshit from Dalman when he said the only debt we had was to Tan (even though Tan said we'd be debt free by now).
The other debtors aren't registered charges at companies house but they're still debts.
In these accounts, Tan has still not converted any of our debts to him to shares.
The money taken out of the club by these people is a disgrace.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:49 am
Always City wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Yes that’s what my (very very limited) knowledge of accounts tells me too. Hopefully with a lower wage bill and fans back soon we’ll be looking a lot better.
Covid did not effect football till the last week of March 2020, majority of matches already played
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:50 am
Always City wrote:bluebirdoct1962 wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
Yes that’s what my (very very limited) knowledge of accounts tells me too. Hopefully with a lower wage bill and fans back soon we’ll be looking a lot better.
Covid did not effect football till the last week of March 2020, majority of matches already played
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:50 am
Forever Blue wrote:Thanks Keith![]()
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Was the transfer money that came in to the club from the sales of Manga, Zohore and Decordova-Reid, which was approx £21.5 -£23m ??
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:51 am
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:54 am
Always City wrote:Ninian1962 wrote:Always City wrote:Administrative expenses fell by £26.7m from £62.1m to £35.4m.
So they were £62.1mill in 2019.
What do these expenses cover?
They cover most expenses such as non playing staff wages , lease of the stadium and other stadium maintenance costs, depreciation of assets etc. The 2019 figure was also much higher because it included a provision of over £19m for settlement of the Emiliano Sala dispute.
Thanks Keith![]()
How come SALA dispute now taken out?
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:59 am
wez1927 wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
That's absolute rubbish and you know it.
These accounts cover a very short period of Covid. If the whole Covid period was represented, they would be far worse.
More bullshit from Dalman when he said the only debt we had was to Tan (even though Tan said we'd be debt free by now).
The other debtors aren't registered charges at companies house but they're still debts.
In these accounts, Tan has still not converted any of our debts to him to shares.
The money taken out of the club by these people is a disgrace.
Did you not read kieths piece or are you just ignoring the fact that the loss was down to having to reimburse tv monies and other costs due to covid ? So it not rubbish at all the only charges are Tan and thats a fact the 39 million debt is Tans company too ,do the research please tan borrowed the club 39 million in the season we went up against future TV monies for cash flow it was in the last accounts
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:59 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:wez1927 wrote:Basically without covid we would of broke even ,not too bad I think
That's absolute rubbish and you know it.
These accounts cover a very short period of Covid. If the whole Covid period was represented, they would be far worse.
More bullshit from Dalman when he said the only debt we had was to Tan (even though Tan said we'd be debt free by now).
The other debtors aren't registered charges at companies house but they're still debts.
In these accounts, Tan has still not converted any of our debts to him to shares.
The money taken out of the club by these people is a disgrace.
Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:02 am
Forever Blue wrote:Thanks Keith![]()
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Was the transfer money that came in to the club from the sales of Manga, Zohore and Decordova-Reid, which was approx £21.5 -£23m ??