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' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 9:51 am

No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it :evil:

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 11:19 am

What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 11:45 am

Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 12:32 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.


Well lets hope Hamas learn a lesson here. I doubt it though.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 12:47 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.


Well lets hope Hamas learn a lesson here. I doubt it though.


You support the killing of 190 people in the past week, nearly a third of which were children? And you consider it a proportional response to the killing of 33 people over the course of 20 years?
Or do you think the destruction of 40 schools, 6 hospitals and a refugee camp is a justified response?

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 12:49 pm

This has been going on for literally hundreds of years, Jes / Arabs fighting. Further complicated by modern day politics.

But what I do know is this - if someone starts firing rockets into another country - then you have to expect that country to fight back.

The problem is that when you pick a fight with Israel - it's like walking into Rover Way Traveller Camp and starting a fight. They will never give up and with give back the retaliation plus more than a bit of interest.

When you have Hamas saying they want to see the death of Israel and all those in it - you can understand why the Israelis get a bit tetchy. The Palestinians are the ones I feel sorry for - having Hamas as a Govt - that doesnt two hoots about their people.

It's not a race to see who has the most casualties - that's an easy win for Israel. This argument will never be settled until there is a change of Govt in Palestine and they agree to accept Israel. And yes I know there is a lot more to it than that.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 12:50 pm

Forever Blue wrote:No Premier League players will be punished for displaying flags of Israel or Palestine during the final week of the season, according to reports.

Well Israel should be more than punished for the massacre of innocent Palestinian families who are being driven out of their homes and cold bloody murdered, yet USA & UK ignore it :evil:


Why does everyone worry about Israel? There are many civil wars currently taking place throughout the world and rarely anybody mentions them. You can’t blame Israelis standing up for themselves when Jews have been persecuted for centuries. They got little or no help in WW2 despite the world being fully aware of what was happening in Germany during the 1920s and 30s. Even the Pope at the time said nothing to assist the murdered 6 million Jews.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:07 pm

Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:22 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.


Well lets hope Hamas learn a lesson here. I doubt it though.


You support the killing of 190 people in the past week, nearly a third of which were children? And you consider it a proportional response to the killing of 33 people over the course of 20 years?
Or do you think the destruction of 40 schools, 6 hospitals and a refugee camp is a justified response?


I don't support any killing of anybody so don't start twisting things.

This war between Israel and its neighbours has been going on for decades with both sides antagonising each other. Both sides need to come to the table but either seem reluctant. I recall them coming together, sorted something out only for another terrorist organisation with an agenda to destroy it.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:24 pm

Unfortunately, this isn't just a case of who fired first or who is worse than the other. This goes back hundreds/thousands of years.

I have no interest, or belief, in religion and I'm no expert on Israel or the middle East.

My view is that if a group of people decide that, based on a written work of fiction from thousands of years ago, that they have permission to takeover a big plot of land and then do so, that's going to cause problems with the neighbours !!

In my opinion that claim is about as valid as one of my predecessors writing down on a scrap of paper that I will inherit the world at some point :banghead: :lol:

Apologies if that offends any of those who are religious, my views alone.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:30 pm

It’s a problem when Islamic Jihad are the neighbours, and they want you dead. True tho mate, its just two tribes, and the strongest wins. Same as 2000 years ago.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:48 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Ian,

Those rockets are all they have and when they land they are landing on land monthly stolen and rolled over by the Israeli troops where Palestinians were living months and years earlier.

So the Sky News / BBC says one Israel killed headlines wow

Yet same day in small writing 36 Palestinian children killed and 100 adults.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:49 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.


Well lets hope Hamas learn a lesson here. I doubt it though.


Lessons for what???

Wanting to keep the rightful homes and land of their people.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 1:57 pm

Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 2:04 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 3:26 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.


The occupied territories of the West Bank and Gazza had previously been annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively both annexations being condemned by the international community.
It was not until the six day war of 1967 when both these areas were used by Jordan and Egypt to launch their attack on Israel that Israel after winning that war occupied them, to stop a repeat of that action. I condemn the Israeli land grab, and the protests in east Jerusalem against this were justified but who in their right mind back in Gazza then authorises the firing of rockets into Israel knowing from the past what the Israeli response will be.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 3:45 pm

Bluesince72 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.


The occupied territories of the West Bank and Gazza had previously been annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively both annexations being condemned by the international community.
It was not until the six day war of 1967 when both these areas were used by Jordan and Egypt to launch their attack on Israel that Israel after winning that war occupied them, to stop a repeat of that action. I condemn the Israeli land grab, and the protests in east Jerusalem against this were justified but who in their right mind back in Gazza then authorises the firing of rockets into Israel knowing from the past what the Israeli response will be.

Exactly no rocket attacks, no retaliation, its a major fucked up area ,not sure there will ever be a solution tbh

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 3:47 pm

So I don't know enough about this conflict to really give an opinion on. However one thing which has shocked me, was I was reading the BBC reporting on this in work and it showed the building which houses the foreign press and another news media outlet was destroyed and you can see the building come down. Israel claimed it was a hamas building. My big concern is, it seems Israel after several reports of dead children and innocent people dying, and now targeting media outlets to stop the news being reported.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 4:03 pm

Bakedalasker wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.


Well lets hope Hamas learn a lesson here. I doubt it though.


You support the killing of 190 people in the past week, nearly a third of which were children? And you consider it a proportional response to the killing of 33 people over the course of 20 years?
Or do you think the destruction of 40 schools, 6 hospitals and a refugee camp is a justified response?


I don't support any killing of anybody so don't start twisting things.

This war between Israel and its neighbours has been going on for decades with both sides antagonising each other. Both sides need to come to the table but either seem reluctant. I recall them coming together, sorted something out only for another terrorist organisation with an agenda to destroy it.


Pretty much right mate. The terrorists even killed the leader that was doing the most for the chances of territory and autonomy for Palestinians.

If they weren’t fighting Israel they would be fighting each other.

The massive difference is that above. Israel will coexist alongside the Palestinians. Hamas etc will not allow that to happen as their intention is to wipe out the state of Israel. It quite literally is what they exist for,

How do you fight that? With an iron fist is how.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 4:06 pm

wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.


The occupied territories of the West Bank and Gazza had previously been annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively both annexations being condemned by the international community.
It was not until the six day war of 1967 when both these areas were used by Jordan and Egypt to launch their attack on Israel that Israel after winning that war occupied them, to stop a repeat of that action. I condemn the Israeli land grab, and the protests in east Jerusalem against this were justified but who in their right mind back in Gazza then authorises the firing of rockets into Israel knowing from the past what the Israeli response will be.

Exactly no rocket attacks, no retaliation, its a major fucked up area ,not sure there will ever be a solution tbh

Better men than us have tried and failed over the years, surely a Palestinian home land with fully defined borders not areas disputed by both sides,and a democratic government should not be this difficult to achieve.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 4:13 pm

Bluesince72 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.


The occupied territories of the West Bank and Gazza had previously been annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively both annexations being condemned by the international community.
It was not until the six day war of 1967 when both these areas were used by Jordan and Egypt to launch their attack on Israel that Israel after winning that war occupied them, to stop a repeat of that action. I condemn the Israeli land grab, and the protests in east Jerusalem against this were justified but who in their right mind back in Gazza then authorises the firing of rockets into Israel knowing from the past what the Israeli response will be.

Exactly no rocket attacks, no retaliation, its a major fucked up area ,not sure there will ever be a solution tbh

Better men than us have tried and failed over the years, surely a Palestinian home land with fully defined borders not areas disputed by both sides,and a democratic government should not be this difficult to achieve.
problem is you got groups like hamas that won't ever recognise Israel

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 4:19 pm

Bluesince72 wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
wez1927 wrote:
Bluesince72 wrote:Please lets not forget that before rocket attacks from Gazza and the West Bank became more prevalent, Hammas, Hizballah and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade much preferred the suicide bomb as a means of attacking mainly Israeli targets. In this period they carried out between them 171 suicide bombings killing 805 and injuring 964 people.

Not here to condone killing by any side, don't even want to try and understand the complexity's of Middle East politics, but just because one side has only killed 37 people by rocket attack believe me its not for the want of trying that many more are not dead. Killing in the name of religion by any side disgusts me and why these people cant come to a diplomatic and peaceful conclusion is beyond me.
bang on ,woth hamas about there will be no peace ,people ate forgetting that there are alot Arab Israelis living peaceful in isreal




And they rose up the other day and why because more Palestinian houses are being rolled over and more Palestinians are being made homeless and its now increasing, sadly pure facts, not Uk or USA Bullshit news controlled by Israel.


For every one Israeli killed a 1,000 innocent Palestinians have been killed.


The occupied territories of the West Bank and Gazza had previously been annexed by Jordan and Egypt respectively both annexations being condemned by the international community.
It was not until the six day war of 1967 when both these areas were used by Jordan and Egypt to launch their attack on Israel that Israel after winning that war occupied them, to stop a repeat of that action. I condemn the Israeli land grab, and the protests in east Jerusalem against this were justified but who in their right mind back in Gazza then authorises the firing of rockets into Israel knowing from the past what the Israeli response will be.

Exactly no rocket attacks, no retaliation, its a major fucked up area ,not sure there will ever be a solution tbh

Better men than us have tried and failed over the years, surely a Palestinian home land with fully defined borders not areas disputed by both sides,and a democratic government should not be this difficult to achieve.


That would be amazing and has been on offer. It’s seen as a sign of weakness.

It’s really sad to say but there’s only way to deal with Islamist terrorists.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 4:23 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:07 pm

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:22 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.


Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:43 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.




Absolutely Spot on.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:47 pm

maccydee wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.


Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.


Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:47 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.




maybe if you have to fire 600 misiles to kill one person when your trying to kill thousands you should be asking Iran for a bit of a refund ?
or even better not buy them in the first place.... as for the Nuke remark...i think whoever put that on wiki got carried away....

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 5:59 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.


Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.


Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.



so the answer to them hiding in schools and hospitals is they would be wiped out if they didnt ....... the same people who would have zero concerns about wiping out israel and all its inhabitants ..

Re: ' Palestine / Israel '

Tue May 18, 2021 6:15 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
maccydee wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
Bakedalasker wrote:What about the Hamas rockets landing on innocent Israel families?


Between 2001 and 2015, 33 people died from nearly 19,000 rocket and mortar attacks from Palestine into Israel.
In 2016, there were 0 fatalities from 15 rocket attacks.
In 2017, there were 0 fatalities from 35 rocket attacks.
In 2018, 1 person was killed from 370 rocket attacks.
In 2019, 3 people were killed from over 800 rocket attacks.
In 2020, there were 0 fatalities from over 100 rockets attacks.
In 2021, there have so far been 0 fatalities from over 2900 rockets fired at Israel.

In 20 years and with well over 23,000 rocket and mortar attacks by Palestine supporters, 37 people have been killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestini ... _on_Israel

On May 16th, an Israeli airstrike killed 42 Palestinians including 10 children.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza- ... a-12307694

Since last Monday, in just a week, 190 people in Gaza have been killed by Israeli forces, 54 of those being children.



i think those 23k rocket and mortar attacks were designed to kill more than 37....
maybe google doesnt explain that bit.....


Of course they were, Hamas want to remove the Israelis from Palestine by any means necessary, they even claim as such. But the fact remains, those rockets didn't kill more because Israel has the defences to protect themselves, one such defence being the Iron Dome. The weapons Hamas have are also ridiculously primitive. The Qassam rockets are made from farming and mining equipment and welded together in sheds, they have no guidance systems, no targeting systems and they can't be aimed. They cost a couple of hundred quid to make and most land in fields/desert or don't explode.

Compare that to Israel. The Biden administration has just approved a $700m+ weapons sale to Israel, in 2019 America sent $3.8b in foreign military aid to Israel. Their air force uses the same type of planes that are in service in the US and UK militaries armed with precision guided bombs and missiles that can level an individual building from 50 miles away. As demonstrated when they destroyed the building housing the Al Jazeera news HQ as well as offices for Associated Press.

When your enemy needs to fire 600 rockets to maybe kill one person, the proportional response is not to bomb hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets, residential buildings, etc and kill 54 children in one airstrike. That would be akin to America dropping a nuke on Kabul after the 9/11 attacks.


Maybe Hamas need to stop trying to hide their HQ, weapons cache etc amongst the population. They don’t care about Palestinian lives.


Firstly, they'd be wiped out in an instant. They're fighting an enemy that is backed and has assistance by the country with arguably the most advanced military in the world.
Secondly, there's physically no where else for them to be. The Gaza strip is the same size as the Isle of Wight and has over 2 million people living there, it's one of the most densely populated places in the world.
Again, regardless of where Hamas have their HQ (or at least where Israel say they do) the Gaza Strip has no Navy, no Air force and no actual military. When your enemy fires hundreds of homemade rockets and you've got a defence system that can intercept 90%-95% of them and those same rockets have killed less than 40 people in 2 decades, the proportional response is not the destruction of hospitals, schools, refugee camps, power stations, media outlets and homes.

Neither side are "the good guys" in this conflict but Israel have gone way way beyond any form of self defence, so far beyond they've committed literal war crimes in recent years under the pretence of defending themselves.


Sadly when one places such little value on life Israel feel it is the only way to respond.