What a Waste Max Watters? Or

TLG / The Lone Gunner who I highly respect posted:


Max Watters Waste

That's an Ian Dury and the Blockheads pun before anyone asks...

I think the fact that Mick McCarthy hasn't given Max Watters a single minute on the pitch in recent weeks speaks volumes. Yesterday's game against bottom-of-the-table Wycombe looked an obvious opportunity to give Watters some first team game time, but McCarthy left him sitting on the bench.




Since signing for City in January in a deal reported to be worth up to £1 million, Watters has started just one game (the 0-1 defeat to QPR, during which he was subbed after 55 minutes and after which Neil Harris was sacked). Under Mick McCarthy, the player has made just two sub appearances - he was brought on for 16 minutes at Luton with the side already 2-0 up, and at Sheffield Wednesday for 18 minutes with the score at 5-0 to the hosts.

Watters has recently turned 22 years of age, so he has time on his side. However, it looks increasingly likely that McCarthy simply doesn't rate him.

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My view

Max Watters 22 years old , £250,000 rising to £1mill?

Is he really good enough for top half of the Championship?

The jury is massively out with me.


I said at the time was he really that expensive, Hmmmmmm??

Never any real experience and very low wages that’s the truth

If any good why is Big Mick never playing him??

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I don't agree with all this McCarthy see's him in training and thinks he isn't good enough. The only way to see if he is good enough to play at this level is to play him and see how he goes. The next two games are the ideal chance to do that. Suspect he may go out on loan to a lower league club next season. Think once McCarthy has made up his mind about you he doesn't change it very easily. Would possibly be interesting to see how he does playing up front alongside Keifer Moore in a four two two.

This is not a dig at MM, but we have recruited or coached to play one way, and Kiefer was made for that. I really doubt there is another player of his ilk outside the premier league.

Watters may need to run onto the ball and as Glatzel found we struggle to change. Glatzels little purple patch coincided with a resurgent Lee Tomlin, when we had an elite passer.

Malky taught us you you only have to compete at centre forward, its ok not to win the direct ball, but you must win the second in midfield.

The lad may make it and definitely worth a punt at £250K, but we may need to change how we play and with this group that may not be possible.

If we are going to continue with the same tactics manager after manager we had better find another moore because we've never played a way that benefits a technical centre forward for 5 or 6 yrs! Cannot tell me every forward we've bought in that time have been rubbish not one was given a run in the 1st team except for the poor man's Moore "Patterson " and by looks of things nothing will change under MM, so big question is can Moore play 46 games next season without getting injured?

If we are going to continue with the same tactics manager after manager we had better find another moore because we've never played a way that benefits a technical centre forward for 5 or 6 yrs! Cannot tell me every forward we've bought in that time have been rubbish not one was given a run in the 1st team except for the poor man's Moore "Patterson " and by looks of things nothing will change under MM, so big question is can Moore play 46 games next season without getting injured?

Some good points in thete, Allan; the jury has to be out on Watters and several other players until they are tried in their correct roles...

Despite some stating otherwise, Max Watters was NOT a Harris signing, he just arrived on his Watch, so tjevquestion remains why sign him if our style is, as seems, set in stone...?

If we are going to continue with the same tactics manager after manager we had better find another moore because we've never played a way that benefits a technical centre forward for 5 or 6 yrs! Cannot tell me every forward we've bought in that time have been rubbish not one was given a run in the 1st team except for the poor man's Moore "Patterson " and by looks of things nothing will change under MM, so big question is can Moore play 46 games next season without getting injured?

Some good points in thete, Allan; the jury has to be out on Watters and several other players until they are tried in their correct roles...

Despite some stating otherwise, Max Watters was NOT a Harris signing, he just arrived on his Watch, so tjevquestion remains why sign him if our style is, as seems, set in stone...?

Chris my final point was a serious one given MM views on moore as a defender that will not change next season in my view ! Can mick honestly change his tactics to fit more technical players like watters? he as a rigid 70+min rule on subs to me that shows he is not that flexible ? So presume hes going to bring in players that he thinks can play his way bit like warnock! Can see it being up and down frustrating kind season possibly with success at end of it if certain players stay fit

Moore was knackered BEFORE the international break and he's still played every minute since. FFS give someone else a go. Glatzel hardly played & then got shipped out on loan and the same thing is happening with Watters. If you or I worked a horse as much as Moore has been worked we would be up on animal cruelty charges, makes no sense to me.

Moore was knackered BEFORE the international break and he's still played every minute since. FFS give someone else a go. Glatzel hardly played & then got shipped out on loan and the same thing is happening with Watters. If you or I worked a horse as much as Moore has been worked we would be up on animal cruelty charges, makes no sense to me.

MM said needed a break but he couldn't take him off because of his defensive qualities at corners free kicks "hight" what a load of rubbish if we cannot defend with two 6ft + defenders no hope for us! Problem we got us to play watters from start we would need to change way we play and cannot see that happening unless mick has a tactics transplant in close season..

Always thought he was one for the future so haven't been concerned.

But does seem that Mick doesn't trust him which is worrying.

If he doesn't even come on as a substitute in these last two games, then I think it will be obvious that Mick doesn't rate him and he won't be involved with the first team next season.

Moore was knackered BEFORE the international break and he's still played every minute since. FFS give someone else a go. Glatzel hardly played & then got shipped out on loan and the same thing is happening with Watters. If you or I worked a horse as much as Moore has been worked we would be up on animal cruelty charges, makes no sense to me.

MM said needed a break but he couldn't take him off because of his defensive qualities at corners free kicks "hight" what a load of rubbish if we cannot defend with two 6ft + defenders no hope for us! Problem we got us to play watters from start we would need to change way we play and cannot see that happening unless mick has a tactics transplant in close season..

well i assume we will to some degree have a squad transplant...

If we are going to continue with the same tactics manager after manager we had better find another moore because we've never played a way that benefits a technical centre forward for 5 or 6 yrs! Cannot tell me every forward we've bought in that time have been rubbish not one was given a run in the 1st team except for the poor man's Moore "Patterson " and by looks of things nothing will change under MM, so big question is can Moore play 46 games next season without getting injured?

We do a disservice to Pato.

I’ve not seen Moore score a volley like Pato did against us.

Pato as close to a Moore cover/replacement as we've had. He was too expensive so we moved him on when chance came.
Watters obviously not showing MM he can deliver and if he's not showing that in training he's not going to be able to do it in matches.
Is the transfer committee not Tan, Dalman, Choo and whoever the incumbent manager is? Three constants there.

Pato as close to a Moore cover/replacement as we've had. He was too expensive so we moved him on when chance came.
Watters obviously not showing MM he can deliver and if he's not showing that in training he's not going to be able to do it in matches.
Is the transfer committee not Tan, Dalman, Choo and whoever the incumbent manager is? Three constants there.

Obviously?

Now there's me thinking that was the debate, i.e. Watters being discarded or just unlucky in the current situation

If we are going to continue with the same tactics manager after manager we had better find another moore because we've never played a way that benefits a technical centre forward for 5 or 6 yrs! Cannot tell me every forward we've bought in that time have been rubbish not one was given a run in the 1st team except for the poor man's Moore "Patterson " and by looks of things nothing will change under MM, so big question is can Moore play 46 games next season without getting injured?

We do a disservice to Pato.

I’ve not seen Moore score a volley like Pato did against us.

No but have you sen him score like moore did Saturday? Sorry but he is a very poor mans Moore like I've said he cant hold ball up he doesn't run channels he doesn't lead line bringing in other players.... he was just a nuisance player for us scoring couple goals 2yards out we want to progress from way we play not go backwards..... he can't get regular start at Wednesday but people want him back here to do what? Run around like a headless
chicken...

Think we beat swansea to the signing of watters ?
Mm can only play one way
Hes ruining harris aswell as watters?

Think we beat swansea to the signing of watters ?
Mm can only play one way
Hes ruining harris aswell as watters?

Not only MM theres been a succession of forwards never been used to their ability! Next manager must be someone who plays ball on ground even moore would benefit from that!

How is next season going to pan out, is it going to be hoof it and hope football. I like MM but the only difference I can see between him, NW and Harris is the ages between them. I cannot really judge Watters as have not seen enough of him where as I can safely say Bacuna is shite but can be great when he feels like it but that is just my opinion and others will say differently.

Next Season prediction: Mid Table, Kieffer gone and MM relying on Vassell, VT balancing the books and playing Bacuna up front

by Welshman in CA » Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:38 pm

Moore was knackered BEFORE the international break and he's still played every minute since. FFS give someone else a go. Glatzel hardly played & then got shipped out on loan and the same thing is happening with Watters. If you or I worked a horse as much as Moore has been worked we would be up on animal cruelty charges, makes no sense to me.

I think the problem is our lack of creativity in midfield. While Moore is good enough to cope with it I don't think it is fair to judge the other strikers if they are going to have to live on scraps while they are trying to establish themselves. If we persist with a defensive midfield I think most strikers would struggle, and we are just very lucky to have Moore in our team.

Think we beat swansea to the signing of watters ?
Mm can only play one way
Hes ruining harris aswell as watters?

Not only MM theres been a succession of forwards never been used to their ability! Next manager must be someone who plays ball on ground even moore would benefit from that!

indeed..all now left and banging them in for super league clubs...

Think we beat swansea to the signing of watters ?
Mm can only play one way
Hes ruining harris aswell as watters?

Not only MM theres been a succession of forwards never been used to their ability! Next manager must be someone who plays ball on ground even moore would benefit from that!

indeed..all now left and banging them in for super league clubs...

Just shows we were wrong to let them go then ......

If we don't see either Harris or Watters in the next 2 games then they are probably not rated by Mick.

I still think we could have used their energy and pace this season, particularly towards the end of games. A lot of the balls lumped to Moore are no where near him forcing him to chase down lost causes. Compared to a knackered Moore, their pace would give defenders something more to think about, we have a fresher player better suited to chase longballs and Moore gets a rest. Moore looked completely out on his feet in a lot of games.

Watched Watters today, not a chance of starting at the moment

Make a move for Gary Madine again

Sang came from nowhere.
Give the boy a break.

Sang came from nowhere.
Give the boy a break.

no one has knocked him
but he came from Manchester United...

Sang came from nowhere.
Give the boy a break.

no one has knocked him
but he came from Manchester United...

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