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I have been watching a few Rangers games. Notably their game a few weeks back against Aberdeen.

Watching the way Ryan Kent pushes forward from the wings creating and scoring goals, thinking “we could do with that in our team to feed Moore!”

Then you start wondering how much he’d cost??? He’s young, talented, he creates goals, scores goals, 2 foooted to the point you can’t tell which is his strongest foot. Then it got me thinking about our under 23’s. Kieron Evans has all of those attributes....and he’s younger!!

Why the hell we ain’t giving these kids a run out at the end of the season. The club needs to pay for the experience that these players need to fit into this league...and these last few games is the perfect tune to do it.


Get them on the field and train them up, and get them ready for the season ahead. I couldn’t care less if we lose 10-0 or 1-0 now. The season is done, we are safe, let’s build for next season!

The CCFC Committee and Glen Williams (Echo) say we have the best 17,18 & 19 year olds for over 11 years.

6 of them of them will be part of the CCFC first team squad next season apparently so surely they should of at least been a couple of them on by now.

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So lets put them on and see how they are and how good they really are.

5 games we could of seen say two or three of them, only three games left now.

Experience is what they needed and these games there was NO pressure.

We would know that what positions do or dont need filling for next season.

So far these lads have only been playing your Charltons, Watfords,Crewe,Colchesters ,Hull City's mainly League 1 & 2 leagues.


I would love to see us bringing through more Ramseys, Gunters,Ledley,Matthews etc its been 11 years.




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Lets see them play

Be good to see those who say NO, why they are saying it?

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My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

I’m all for giving youngsters a chance especially in these last couple of games,but not all at once.One or two here and one or two there.

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

I’m not saying to put ALL youngsters out at once. But, also, I don’t see the problem. If any player at any club has a professional contract, then they are as entitled to play as the next player, regardless of what other teams say. If every team thought like that, then we wouldn’t have seen the likes of Owen, Rooney and even Pele burst into the scenes.

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

The problem here is when is it ever fair on the oposition if they have something to play for and we don't. We are playing two of the bottom three and one other relegation threatened side in our last three games, so it would be perfect to play them in all three games as we are not favouring any of them that way. We can't think of the opposition at the expense of our own future....

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

I’m not saying to put ALL youngsters out at once. But, also, I don’t see the problem. If any player at any club has a professional contract, then they are as entitled to play as the next player, regardless of what other teams say. If every team thought like that, then we wouldn’t have seen the likes of Owen, Rooney and even Pele burst into the scenes.

Ive said the same a few times. Some people seem to think that people wanting to see a few youth players means fielding the entire u23s team and a guaranteed 5-0 drubbing. When all we want to see is the likes of colwill, watters etc getting half hour at some point. They are our players and its our responsibility to develop them. If we decide to give them a game, that's our choice. If it was an issue, then teams wouldn't be allowed to do it. Wilson, ojo, hoilet, Williams and tutu probably won't be here next season so we might as well prepare for life without them

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

The problem here is when is it ever fair on the oposition if they have something to play for and we don't. We are playing two of the bottom three and one other relegation threatened side in our last three games, so it would be perfect to play them in all three games as we are not favouring any of them that way. We can't think of the opposition at the expense of our own future....

I 100% agree with this

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

I’m not saying to put ALL youngsters out at once. But, also, I don’t see the problem. If any player at any club has a professional contract, then they are as entitled to play as the next player, regardless of what other teams say. If every team thought like that, then we wouldn’t have seen the likes of Owen, Rooney and even Pele burst into the scenes.

Owen , Rooney and Pele.... is that what is being discussed here ? these were stand out players that everyone knew were on their way and knew they were special... as were the Cardiff players mentioned on this thread...their breakthroughs were expected... there is a huge difference in a club knowing they have future stars with the only question being the right time to blood them...and doing the exact opposite because a few impatient fans think it a good idea to throw them in purely because they are in the academy.....you impress and earn the shirt...not here we are have a go... when Rooney made his debut..do you think he was the lucky one out of half a dozen chucked in over a couple of games...abracadabra wayne rooney.... ?
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I’m using those as examples. Youngsters need a chance, or somebody to believe in them. If no one took a chance on youngsters, then yes, you could have seen Rooney say on the bench for longer. It’s surprising what kids can do when one week they are cleaning the seniors boots, then the next week they are playing amongst them. And I’ll always say it’s a big difference when there’s some playing for money and become complacent, than a youngster that’s desperate just to try to keep a shirt.,

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

The problem here is when is it ever fair on the oposition if they have something to play for and we don't. We are playing two of the bottom three and one other relegation threatened side in our last three games, so it would be perfect to play them in all three games as we are not favouring any of them that way. We can't think of the opposition at the expense of our own future....

Exactly and you look after your own club and our club comes first , our players need to get experience

I’m using those as examples. Youngsters need a chance, or somebody to believe in them. If no one took a chance on youngsters, then yes, you could have seen Rooney say on the bench for longer. It’s surprising what kids can do when one week they are cleaning the seniors boots, then the next week they are playing amongst them. And I’ll always say it’s a big difference when there’s some playing for money and become complacent, than a youngster that’s desperate just to try to keep a shirt.,

i know whats being suggested...and also know the examples are not examples of it at all....
Rooney.... do you honestly think everyone was blind to his talent.
its surprising what kids can do....only if good enough which is my point.... seems to be a total lack of understanding that they are not all identical lego blocks...they are at different levels... some { although probanly the best we could find } are only there as a vehicle for the normally one or 2 that stand a real chance...
people are talking about 5 or 6...jesus ..on top of us having been forced already to play inexperience... hows that gone ?

we have an experienced manager mate who has given plenty of young boys debuts during his career and who knows a player when he sees one...cant help seeiing this as just something else to chuck at him...if not now in the future...as will any poor results he might pick up in the process... ive not seen this suggested before .. not in warnocks 1st season..or under Slade or Malky and boy did they miss out on some world beaters by not playing musical chairs...think we could have 2 whole teams of division 2 welsh league players...if only...

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

The problem here is when is it ever fair on the oposition if they have something to play for and we don't. We are playing two of the bottom three and one other relegation threatened side in our last three games, so it would be perfect to play them in all three games as we are not favouring any of them that way. We can't think of the opposition at the expense of our own future....

Take your point and it's a fair one.

But as I said in my post, that's not the only factor I suspect in them not playing.

My strong belief is a manager will learn more about the players over pre-season than he will in a league game where they are likely to be badly prepared.

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.



I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

You may well in the minority but your spot on for me.Too much too soon can break a kid as well as make one.Leave it to the ones that can judge best.

I’m using those as examples. Youngsters need a chance, or somebody to believe in them. If no one took a chance on youngsters, then yes, you could have seen Rooney say on the bench for longer. It’s surprising what kids can do when one week they are cleaning the seniors boots, then the next week they are playing amongst them. And I’ll always say it’s a big difference when there’s some playing for money and become complacent, than a youngster that’s desperate just to try to keep a shirt.,

i know whats being suggested...and also know the examples are not examples of it at all....
Rooney.... do you honestly think everyone was blind to his talent.
its surprising what kids can do....only if good enough which is my point.... seems to be a total lack of understanding that they are not all identical lego blocks...they are at different levels... some { although probanly the best we could find } are only there as a vehicle for the normally one or 2 that stand a real chance...
people are talking about 5 or 6...jesus ..on top of us having been forced already to play inexperience... hows that gone ?

we have an experienced manager mate who has given plenty of young boys debuts during his career and who knows a player when he sees one...cant help seeiing this as just something else to chuck at him...if not now in the future...as will any poor results he might pick up in the process... ive not seen this suggested before .. not in warnocks 1st season..or under Slade or Malky and boy did they miss out on some world beaters by not playing musical chairs...think we could have 2 whole teams of division 2 welsh league players...if only...

The boy that I mention in this thread has been with them since 10 years of age. He’s just signed a 2 year contract, several clubs(and premiership clubs) were interested before he signed his deal, yet they don’t think it’s time to play him??? When is the right time?? Why hold on to him??

100 percent.colwill should start a game and isaac Davies at least 20 mins

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.



I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

You may well in the minority but your spot on for me.Too much too soon can break a kid as well as make one.Leave it to the ones that can judge best.

Martin,

This is my point it’s not the fans rushing them it’s the CCFC Committee as they are making quite a few of them first team squad players next season, personally I don’t think they are to that level. So by playing them in games like these that there is NO pressure we could see if they are really good enough?

Over the years I have noticed at young players generally get a run out in the last game of the season. So I expect some involvement for the youngsters in that game whether starting or coming on from the bench.

My opinion has always been the same.

We don't see these players in training. The majority of us have never seen these players play live in person.

Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor do on a regular basis.

If they don't think they're ready to be starting games, then I trust them on that.

I am also of the opinion that it is unfair to play them against teams who are still fighting for something.

Just imagine what we would think if we were fighting to get in the play-offs on the final day of the season and the team who were playing our rivals put out a bunch of kids because they had nothing to play for. It wouldn't be fair.

So I wasn't at all surprised that none of them were involved in the games against Reading and Brentford.

I believe that the manager and the coaches will learn more about whether they're good enough in pre-season.

So I know I'm in the minority here, but my answer is no.

The problem here is when is it ever fair on the oposition if they have something to play for and we don't. We are playing two of the bottom three and one other relegation threatened side in our last three games, so it would be perfect to play them in all three games as we are not favouring any of them that way. We can't think of the opposition at the expense of our own future....

Exactly and you look after your own club and our club comes first , our players need to get experience

Absolutely. Why would we worry about other clubs?

Our future is what matters. The hierarchy are talking about bringing youngsters through.

Let's do it. If they are good enough...they are old enough.

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

It's a little bit odd because Mick McCarthy was categorically told (and agreed) to 'blood' more youngsters before he took over at the club...

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

It's a little bit odd because Mick McCarthy was categorically told (and agreed) to 'blood' more youngsters before he took over at the club...

As Ive said in another thread, just how many youngsters are good enough, and ready for first team football?

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

It's a little bit odd because Mick McCarthy was categorically told (and agreed) to 'blood' more youngsters before he took over at the club...

As Ive said in another thread, just how many youngsters are good enough, and ready for first team football?

Until we see them play no one can know for certain. Watters has league 2 experience so should be ready mentally, at least. No one knows if he can step up as he hasnt had a chance. Harris has played a few games as well so same as watters. Colwill is our main prospect and he's had a few minutes. Mick said he hasnt been out of place training with the first team as well. I think that's who people are most keen to see to be honest. Others players like Davies, patten, Evans are often mentioned but have no experience above u23s.

To be honest, I find the idea if having to include 2 u23s players by order rather than on merit a bit pointless. Id find it a bit demoralising if I knew I was only on the bench because the manager has been told to do it. All the times they've been on the bench they've barely been used.

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

It's a little bit odd because Mick McCarthy was categorically told (and agreed) to 'blood' more youngsters before he took over at the club...

I agree Chris he was but that was before he got the new contract.

And Big Mick is not really a fan of bringing through the local talents he is more for using the tried and tested.

IT seems to me there needs to be a balence between not bringing on too many young players too quickly and ignoring them completely and McCarthy is getting the balence completely wrong and is just ignoring the younger players. As has been said on here no one is advocating suddenly playing four youth team players in one match but he could start with Cowill in the team instead of one of the players who is leaving us and say bring on Kerion Evans exactly on 70 minutes instead of Ojo who won't be with us next season.

It looks like McCarthy would rather play for a pointless draw with players who won't be with us next season than risk a young player. I don't think it is because he has seen the youngsters and doesn't think they are good enough,everyone who follows the youth team say this is the most talented bunch of youngsters we have had since the Ramsey era playing a couple of them might actually improve the team not weaken it but obviously we will never know till he tries it.

To me it is a bafflingly stupid policy and no way to prepare for next season.

It's a little bit odd because Mick McCarthy was categorically told (and agreed) to 'blood' more youngsters before he took over at the club...

As Ive said in another thread, just how many youngsters are good enough, and ready for first team football?

Until we see them play no one can know for certain. Watters has league 2 experience so should be ready mentally, at least. No one knows if he can step up as he hasnt had a chance. Harris has played a few games as well so same as watters. Colwill is our main prospect and he's had a few minutes. Mick said he hasnt been out of place training with the first team as well. I think that's who people are most keen to see to be honest. Others players like Davies, patten, Evans are often mentioned but have no experience above u23s.

To be honest, I find the idea if having to include 2 u23s players by order rather than on merit a bit pointless. Id find it a bit demoralising if I knew I was only on the bench because the manager has been told to do it. All the times they've been on the bench they've barely been used.

100% correct we are very keen to see those youngsters play as they are the ones the club etc are shouting about that they are ready , but I watch them every week and they mainly play against League 1 & League 2 players and a couple of Championship clubs and over all we have struggled to beat many of these clubs.

These last 5 games were non pressure games that’s why I wanted to see a couple of them play.