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“ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:49 pm

Why Mick McCarthy had to raise his voice for the first time as he explains lack of Cardiff City substitutions

The Bluebirds manager was unimpressed and had to give his players a telling off during the draw with Stoke City





Mick McCarthy admitted that Cardiff City's lacklustre first-half performance against Cardiff City led him to read his players the riot act for the first time since becoming manager.

The Bluebirds got off to a poor and disjointed start against the Potters and it led to the visitors having the lion's share of decent chances before the break.

Perry Ng's goal-line clearance from Jordan Thompson's shot just about kept City on terms as they failed to lay a glove on the Stoke City team.



And McCarthy admitted he told his side in no uncertain terms just what he thought of that first 45 minutes during the half-time interval.



MICK McCARTHY:


"It's the first time I have had a raised voice, because it's been going so swimmingly up until Saturday - and even Saturday's performance was good, against a really good team," McCarthy said.

"I wasn't happy first half. I thought the performance was way below what we have set our standards at and we needed to up it.

"I thought we did in the second half."

Cardiff were the better side after the break, but still struggled to nick that all-important goal.

Kieffer Moore had two gilt-edged chances as the game drew to a close. One was a one-on-one with compatriot Adam Davies, who did well to rush out and snuff out the chance, and the second was an unchallenged, volleyed attempt from 15 yards which strayed wide of the mark.

"He has had the best of the chances," McCarthy said. "But he has been brilliant for us.

"Sometimes, all great strikers go through it, it is running for you and you score your chances and sometimes you wonder how you didn't score.

"Kieffer will be looking at that, but he has had to fight tooth and nail against their big centre-backs and he has put another great shift it.

"It just didn't turn into goals for him today, sadly."





Some wondered just why McCarthy didn't opt to change things up and potentially bring on other strikers who were waiting on the bench, namely Max Watters and Mark Harris, to relieve Moore, who understandably looked a little weary.

But while that might sound like the right option, McCarthy said he had to make sure the game was not lost and Moore's importance at the other end of the pitch was a factor in not making those substitutions.





MICK McCARTHY:


"It would be nice if we had a replacement for Kieffer Moore," McCarthy said.

"I've just been asked if I could put other substitutes on to win the game. Yeah, well, I could take him off and that might lose us the game.

"They were massive as well and we have to defend free-kicks and corners."
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Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:59 pm

I can believe this.

That first half was as bad as we've played since Mick took charge.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:54 am

I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:07 am

Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.




You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 12:05 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.




You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:25 pm

skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.




You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..



And that's why subs were needed earlier and more than one... you could see moore was too knackered to think properly a fresh moore would have buried two of those chances.... MM was flogging 5/6 dead horses at halftime and it showed should have put Harris or watters upfront with moore on 60mins because last night really was a must win game not a must not lose game as he's stated... now because of last night we got two more clubs ahead of us and potentially can be 9points behind 5/6 place almost leaving us with having to win 5 games in a row to try and bridge the gap assuming Barnsley/reading slip up enough in those 5 games for us to catch them..

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:29 pm

Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.


When I saw the team I though he was resting a few for the Swansea game, I think he wants a fresh Murphy and Wilson, he would love to win that game I'm sure.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:38 pm

Bluebina wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.


When I saw the team I though he was resting a few for the Swansea game, I think he wants a fresh Murphy and Wilson, he would love to win that game I'm sure.




Sure he does was he knows what is at stake but its about promotion and after last night it's a long way away in fact probably yo far away for us to make it even if nwin Saturday.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:40 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.


When I saw the team I though he was resting a few for the Swansea game, I think he wants a fresh Murphy and Wilson, he would love to win that game I'm sure.




Sure he does was he knows what is at stake but its about promotion and after last night it's a long way away in fact probably yo far away for us to make it even if nwin Saturday.



Still time, a win on Saturday and we can get back on track, we still have a few above we can take points from, but we'll have to improve on the last two games for sure :thumbup:

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:42 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.


When I saw the team I though he was resting a few for the Swansea game, I think he wants a fresh Murphy and Wilson, he would love to win that game I'm sure.




Sure he does was he knows what is at stake but its about promotion and after last night it's a long way away in fact probably yo far away for us to make it even if nwin Saturday.


Reading and Brentford games could see us push on :thumbup:

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:45 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.




You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..



And that's why subs were needed earlier and more than one... you could see moore was too knackered to think properly a fresh moore would have buried two of those chances.... MM was flogging 5/6 dead horses at halftime and it showed should have put Harris or watters upfront with moore on 60mins because last night really was a must win game not a must not lose game as he's stated... now because of last night we got two more clubs ahead of us and potentially can be 9points behind 5/6 place almost leaving us with having to win 5 games in a row to try and bridge the gap assuming Barnsley/reading slip up enough in those 5 games for us to catch them..



you have no idea what changes would have meant negatively though....subs are not extra players and changes could have ended up having a negative impact .... what did happen was we had 3 decent chances to win the game in the last 15 minutes... that means me shouting at the TV was wrong and Mick was right.. its ok saying must win game but if you happen to concede your then chasing a draw where as we were still trying to win without being gung ho about it..... as for the play offs.... was it realistic anyway..? we are averaging 2 points a game since Mick took over which more often than not is the form of champions yet even if Mick could keep 2 points a game up until the end of the season it would only give us 73 points... thats 2 points short of last seasons tally and quite likely more than that short of what is required this year... its Man City type of form we were looking for unless 3 or 4 teams were to collapse...

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:56 pm

skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.





You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..


Wilson changed things I thought not Williams.

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:59 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.





You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..


Wilson changed things I thought not Williams.



well the 3 chances came before he came on....so he must be a very inspiring shouter...

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:13 pm

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.





You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..


Wilson changed things I thought not Williams.



well the 3 chances came before he came on....so he must be a very inspiring shouter...


:laughing6: did they? he must be! Lol

I just remember Wilson doing more on the ball than most of the others in a short space of time, I didn't see Williams do much?

I could have missed stuff though, I was a bit bored and frustrated by the end!

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:38 pm

Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.





You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..


Wilson changed things I thought not Williams.



well the 3 chances came before he came on....so he must be a very inspiring shouter...


:laughing6: did they? he must be! Lol

I just remember Wilson doing more on the ball than most of the others in a short space of time, I didn't see Williams do much?

I could have missed stuff though, I was a bit bored and frustrated by the end!



he was very busy mate... didnt do anything miraculous but him coming on did coincide with us having the chances..

Re: “ THE RIOT ACT WAS READ TO THE CARDIFF PLAYERS “

Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:38 am

skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Bluebina wrote:
skidemin wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Crayfish wrote:I remember reading an Ipswich forum about McCarthy and one of their criticisms about him was that he was almost obsessional about not losing games and would always opt for the risk free option. Not making subsistutions when you need to sticking to the same team in the same formation. Granted he did keep Ipswich in the championship and they were relegated the season after he left but it was frustrating for the fans.

We are now playing like we only have one striker who can never be taken off the pitch and can never be joined by a second striker when he is on the pitch. When we desperately need to win can we never play with two strikers even for the last twenty minutes or is not losing so important it takes priority over everything even when not losing is virtually as bad as losing because of our league position.

Would point out that last Saturday Barnsley were 2-1 behind at Bournemouh and their manager made three half time subsistutions and Barnsley went on to win the match 3-2.I think our first subsistution last night was with 15minutes to go and was Ojo off. He was so awful he could have been taken off at half time for me.





You may well be right on this as i said last night he set out not to lose rather than win it.... and he as said if not going to win make sure dont lose plus he said couldn't afford to take moore off because basically way we played? Last night was crying out for change upfront later in game but Putting harris or watters on would have meant compromising elsewhere on pitch something he wont do if you believe in what's been said? But hopefully next season with pre season and couple of signings he will have team and players he trusts another of his problems is he doesn't trust some of the squad enough to play them something he's indicated as well.



i was frustrated at the non subs too , which was then compounded by him bringing JW on ahead of 6 players more likely to score than he is { based on career stats } .. but... the period between JW coming on and Harry coming on also saw us have our best 3 chances of the game..


Wilson changed things I thought not Williams.



well the 3 chances came before he came on....so he must be a very inspiring shouter...


:laughing6: did they? he must be! Lol

I just remember Wilson doing more on the ball than most of the others in a short space of time, I didn't see Williams do much?

I could have missed stuff though, I was a bit bored and frustrated by the end!



he was very busy mate... didnt do anything miraculous but him coming on did coincide with us having the chances..


Fair enough :thumbup:

Frustrating game normally Moore would have taken one of those chances and everything is forgotten and the good run continues. Lets hope we improve on Saturday, I've got a Jack ex work colleague and he says they have got worse and worse over the last three or four games and we will beat them easily?