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“ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:35 am

There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:14 am

Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.


Amazing game that. Couldn’t believe it. Poor Andy Goram.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:07 am

maccydee wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:




During the Sam Hammam days.


Amazing game that. Couldn’t believe it. Poor Andy Goram.



:lol: :thumbright: :bluebird:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:12 am

Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.


What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:07 am

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.


What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.


Respect your views and opinions and its interesting we each have our own thoughts on Hammam.

What we do agree on is that it was the best time supporting the City. The vibe, the feel, and the excitement, the future ( at that time) the style of football. Its my belief that Hammam, through his leadership and style created these feelings, and I for one would like them back. Others would disagree.

Back to Lawrence, an appointment I wasn't sure about at the time, a bit like MM today, but hell did he get the most out of the players and use his vast experience to win football matches.

It would be brilliant if MM can have the same impact, and why cant he? If LL could the MM can!

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:40 am

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:43 am

Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:02 pm

skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..


Never looked at it like that, but now you mention it, I think thats a good shout.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:49 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



i dont either mate.... 4 months prior to him taking over i had just witnessed the end of yet another false dawn at Priestfield.... back to the dungeon AGAIN... was like fckn groundhog day 4 relegations to tier 4 , a division i hadnt imagined being in once not even in my worse nightmares..... Sam believed what i believed and pushed it ... nobody else ever had...

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:00 pm

Barclay1 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..


Never looked at it like that, but now you mention it, I think thats a good shout.



i have...and also asked myself the question....would i swap that Leeds result for promotion....

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:05 pm

skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..



Your prob right, but that Leeds day, will never ever be forgotten, an unbelievable day :bluebird: :bluebird:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:06 pm

skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..

Our form after the Leeds game was mediocre at best. I remember we lost at home to Peterborough next game and the atmosphere seemed flat. Bit like after the Lord Mayors show. We got stuffed at Wigan 4-0 a bit later and Cork was on his way. The game at Oldham was a bit of a make or break.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:07 pm

I am with Forever blue, how can anyone moan about Sam's days , when we had nothing at all before he arrived and it for me was something we could only dream of :bluebird: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:51 pm

JJ1927 wrote:
skidemin wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




like this season we were under achieving... and possibly the change in manager came a bit too late , remarkably we got into the play offs but 2 points more would have secured us automatic promotion... ive always thought beating Leeds probably bought Cork a few weeks and cost us that promotion..

Our form after the Leeds game was mediocre at best. I remember we lost at home to Peterborough next game and the atmosphere seemed flat. Bit like after the Lord Mayors show. We got stuffed at Wigan 4-0 a bit later and Cork was on his way. The game at Oldham was a bit of a make or break.



indeed... had lost the week before at home to Bristol and hadnt won in 4/5 games with a very very decent squad for lge 1..gabs, earnie, thorne, kav .. i honestly believe had we not beaten Leeds Corks number was up if not there and then certainly after the Peterborough defeat.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:04 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:14 pm

Great days , I understand difference of views on Sam but my son was a small kid and he loved Sam so did I he brought the dream to Cardiff City and I truly believe if he had the money Tan had we would be a regular premiership team he in my view loved Cardiff City it was the way he was treated by Ridsdale and the board he was totally set up by them that angered Sam.

Like I said many on here may disagree but I do not believe would be talking about premiership and playing at Wembley unless we had Sam he started all this

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:23 pm

Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.

Remember that and met Lennie Lawrence a couple of times; he was a gentleman :clap:

Also remember that bloody Stoke game and I recall the Stoke City supporters fighting amongst themselves to our left with our support singing "Sit down and behave yourselves...!" as we had a party atmosphere in our end :lol:

We beat them away (2-1) but lost at home (0-2) and Stoke went on to win the Play Off Final at the MillStad...

Thankfully, our turn was to come soon enough...and we won a 'Play Off Final' in our own back yard! :ayatollah:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:04 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:09 pm

valleyrambill wrote:Great days , I understand difference of views on Sam but my son was a small kid and he loved Sam so did I he brought the dream to Cardiff City and I truly believe if he had the money Tan had we would be a regular premiership team he in my view loved Cardiff City it was the way he was treated by Ridsdale and the board he was totally set up by them that angered Sam.

Like I said many on here may disagree but I do not believe would be talking about premiership and playing at Wembley unless we had Sam he started all this



100% Spot on , Sam started the Dream, woke us up and sadly never had the money to see it through and was stabbed in the back.

But what a great time for City fans we all had :bluebird: :ayatollah: :bluescarf:

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:07 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



like most of the posts that tear into Sam there are lots of OTT slept with my wife type remarks...but not much in the way of actual reasons or reasoning... do you have any.... ?

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:05 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:


I worked with a chap in Sainsbury’s. His gf’s brother was a very talented footballer. Aged 13. Lots of teams wanted him. He was playing for Cardiff youngsters but his parents were getting some decent offers in.

Anyway. One Sunday he was playing and his dad was on the side of the pitch. A small man in a flat cap started chatting to his dad. See the lad on the ball. Oh he’s come on leaps and bounds this year since he has had his growth spurt. What a left foot he has. Him and (another lad) are gonna be very good players I think. Scored a great goal two weeks ago. Knew everything about the players and chatted his dad through the lot.

His dad thought nothing of it. Wasn’t much keen on football but watched his boy. End of the match his son said to him. Dad, why were you chatting to Sam Hammam? Who? He owns Cardiff city.

Dad’s mind was made up. He was staying put.

Rob wouldn’t tell me the lad’s name so I never found out if he made it. He was also a decent rugby player though. This was what Sam brought to our club. Passion that quite simply we don’t have now sadly.

Imagine a Sam and Warnock dream ticket?

Now was Sam perfect? Nope. I found it quite annoying he took a rather large wage from our club but you can’t deny he got things going when we were hopeless. He ran out of money and trusted the wrong people. He also broke promises but then so did we. We told him spend and we will fill the stadium. Ninian was full a lot more than for a long time but wasn’t full every week.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:28 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:


I agree with you. Like I said when he was here I thought he was the best thing that happened to city. I’m not privy to inside details, but I was led to believe he was behind Langston and was willing to put the club out of business. Maybe he isn’t and that we’re the others. If that the case why don’t tan like Sam? As they both would be victims of the same greedy people who couldn’t care less about city.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:52 pm

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:


I agree with you. Like I said when he was here I thought he was the best thing that happened to city. I’m not privy to inside details, but I was led to believe he was behind Langston and was willing to put the club out of business. Maybe he isn’t and that we’re the others. If that the case why don’t tan like Sam? As they both would be victims of the same greedy people who couldn’t care less about city.




the whole langstone bit..i dont get... has Tan loaned the club money...yes...has he loaned money under a different name/ company ...yes....does he expect the money back...its seems like willy wonkas everlasting gob stopper debt....yes... if he were manouvered out of the club by some multi billionaires would he still want his money and persue it in courts of law.... dont know ..,but he loves courts so my guess is yes....

nobody would just walk away

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:59 am

Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:


I agree with you. Like I said when he was here I thought he was the best thing that happened to city. I’m not privy to inside details, but I was led to believe he was behind Langston and was willing to put the club out of business. Maybe he isn’t and that we’re the others. If that the case why don’t tan like Sam? As they both would be victims of the same greedy people who couldn’t care less about city.




Sam would never of put us under that was all Media and a bit of poker between all parties involved (bluffing).

They got away with £millions but were in with the media as well.

Re: “ The Cardiff manager with the best start “

Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:25 pm

Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:
Bigmarkw wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:There was a question on the forum about what Cardiff manager had the best start at the club.

When Lennie Lawrence replaced Alan Cork in 2002 Cardiff won 10 out of 13 League games and made the Division One play-offs losing to Stoke 3-2 on aggregate over two legs.

Within the unbeaten run they hammered Oldham 7-1 at Boundary Park.

I was there at Oldham and out away support was brilliant :bluebird:


Club took an amazing 33 points from a possible 39 :bluebird:



During the Sam Hammam days.




What a great memory.

Unfortunately last line spoils the era and fills me with a cold sweat. But none the less they were at the time the best days supporting city, way better than either of the premier league season by a country mile.




I don’t know why?


Because before the year 2000, we were skint, in debt , 4th division, 4,000 home crowds , run down Ninian Park. For me NO one can moan as from the year 2000 Our club became big and ambitious finally and started going places. No one would touch us before then. Some of the real best days of following City in big big numbers exciting, no relegations and Accademy producing quality players and an unbelievable ride :thumbright: :thumbright: :ayatollah:

Crowds singing/ celebrations / fans United .

If you enjoyed any of that then you would be honest and be thankful Sam came on board , we had nothing before.



No should moan as we had nothing before the year 2000 and were without a doubt going NO where, that is the honest truth.



At the time like I said thought he was the best thing ever and had a load of good memories. But he ruined it by his contempt and selfish interests in my opinion. It was like the wife had slept with my brother a massive betrayal.

I enjoyed going to the city even before Sam came I’d would happily go back to that now. When all fans are United and not bickering with each other over owners and thinking we entitled to in the premier league.
For me the best days have gone.



I agree , I feel the best days are gone.

Regarding Sam, I will never ever agree that Sam ripped us if it was selfish.

First Our club had nothing in the first place to rip off, We were worse than worthless before Sam and the media told a lot of lies.

Second, as to selfish he spent 7 days / 7 nights a week in Cardiff during the seasons , gave up his family life and was their for the Accademy, the youth and the first team and standing there in person supporting them.
Any fan could contact him at any time.

I give you my word Sam was devoted to Cardiff, but stabbed in the back by Temme, The Riddler and Paul Guy & Mike Hall egg heads made £millions out of our club and just walked away. :cry:


I agree with you. Like I said when he was here I thought he was the best thing that happened to city. I’m not privy to inside details, but I was led to believe he was behind Langston and was willing to put the club out of business. Maybe he isn’t and that we’re the others. If that the case why don’t tan like Sam? As they both would be victims of the same greedy people who couldn’t care less about city.




Sam would never of put us under that was all Media and a bit of poker between all parties involved (bluffing).

They got away with £millions but were in with the media as well.


Why did Sam lie about not being Langston and only being their spokesman?