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Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:12 am

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/


How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.




correct....a pandemic is being treated as if its coca cola and shouldnt be....


Clearly that was the point I was making :roll:

Maybe check out some propaganda from WW1 and WW2 to see how governments “relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public”

Or the wars in the Middle East. Or the immigrant crisis in the lead up to Brexit. Or how public views on the miners strikes or suffragettes were swayed.

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:50 pm

The Distraction poster is correct to point out the link between advertising and mass-manipulation techniques. What we are all still being subjected to is at the extreme.

I’m sure that Coca –Cola ever frightened huge swathes of the population half to death and caused immense economic, social and psychological damage to a population.

I have seen other reporting on figures on adverse reaction numbers but this is a reasonably comprehensive update with reports from a wide spectrum:

News Round-up (23rd May 2021)
• The U.S. CDC is investigating several dozen reports of heart inflammation in teenagers and young adults after receipt of the Covid mRNA vaccines, reports the New York Times
• According to the India Times, heart attacks and strokes are the leading causes of death among vaccine recipients
• A study in the journal Cureus claims there’s a link between receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine and the onset of Type 2 Diabetes
• America’s Frontline Doctors has done a cost/benefit analysis of the Pfizer vaccine
• The Royal College of Emergency Medicine, The Society of Acute Medicine and Royal College of Physicians have released guidance on treating blood clots caused by the AstraZeneca vaccine
• According to articles in the BMJ and the Telegraph, there are still concerns about giving the Covid vaccines to Children. The AstraZeneca trial involving children and teens has been suspended following fears of blood clots. HART has petitioned Parliament not to give Covid vaccines to children until Phase 3 Trials are complete
• In the U.S., the FDA has given approval for children to receive the Pfizer vaccination following recommendations from the CDC ACIP Committee
• An article in the Journal of Experimental and Clinical Transplantation addresses key concerns about COVID-19 vaccines (pre-print)
• Three people have died in Scotland from what are believed to be side effects of the vaccines, as reported by the BBC and Telegraph
• The BMJ and the UN have both published advice about how to counteract “vaccine hesitancy”, acknowledging that “when you look at hesitancy and parental vaccine hesitancy in the U.S., the group who is most likely to purposefully choose to not vaccinate are highly educated. In speaking with them, these are people who have read the primary literature themselves, and they’re correctly interpreting it, so it’s not a misunderstanding.” (p.26 of the UN Guide to Covid Vaccine Communications)
• EudraVigilance – the equivalent of the Yellow Card reporting system in the EU – has logged reports claiming 10,570 people have died and 405,259 have suffered injuries following receipt of the vaccine in the EU up to May 8th
• VAERS – the American version of the Yellow Card reporting system – has logged reports claiming 5,888 have died from vaccine side effects in the U.S. since 1990, of which 4,196 (71%) are linked to Covid vaccines administered in the last five months.

Summary of Adverse Events UK
According to an updated report published on May 20th (covering the period up to May 12th), the MHRA Yellow Card reporting system has recorded a total of 822,078 events, based on 235,223 reports. The total number of fatalities reported is 1,178.
Key Summary of (recorded*) Adverse Events (for full table see below)
• Acute Cardiac events = 8,858
• Anaphylaxis = 946
• Blood Disorders = 11,409
• Migraine = 7,547
• Eye Disorders = 12,762
• Blindness = 212
• Psychiatric Disorders = 15,926
• Spontaneous Abortions/Miscarriage= 135
• Abdominal Pain = 9,346
• Facial Paralysis incl. Bell’s Palsy = 915
• Disturbances in Consciousness = 10,874
• Strokes and CNS haemorrhages = 1605
• Guillain Barre Syndrome = 253
• Tremor = 9,404
• Thrombosis & Embolism (All types) = 4,347
• Seizures = 1,786
• Paralysis = 668
• Haemorrhage (All types) = 2,616
• Vertigo/Tinnitus (Inner Ear) = 5,391
• Reproductive/Breast = 5,099

Adverse Event Analysis
Pfizer now has one Yellow Card in 355 doses, 2.9 adverse reactions (i.e., symptoms) per card, one fatal reaction in 55,080 doses. AstraZeneca has one Yellow Card in 188 doses, 3.7 adverse reactions per card, one fatal reaction in 41,858 doses. Moderna has one Yellow Card in 137 doses, 2.9 adverse reactions per card, one fatal reaction in 50,000 doses.
Moderna at the moment has reporting rate even worse than AstraZeneca. A point of note is that the Pfizer product always ends up with an average of 2.86 adverse events per card – not only was it the same this week but Moderna also had the same figure of 2.86.
Yellow Card Reports Summary
Source: Pfizer; Moderna; Astrazeneca; Unspecified. “F” denotes fatal.

Full report:
https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/05/23 ... -update-2/

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:47 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/


How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.




correct....a pandemic is being treated as if its coca cola and shouldnt be....


Clearly that was the point I was making :roll:

Maybe check out some propaganda from WW1 and WW2 to see how governments “relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public”

Or the wars in the Middle East. Or the immigrant crisis in the lead up to Brexit. Or how public views on the miners strikes or suffragettes were swayed.



you can add as many look at the ceiling things as you like.....and as many non comparisons because just like EVERYTHING else / until wiki grows an arm and can reach out and shake you , your going to continue with a few lists but zero grasp......
you seriously think a government should be treating a pandemic like a coca cola campaign...?

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:26 am

the latest European ( EU) COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction figures from the European Medicine Agency up until June 19'th

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/15472-de ... -19-shots/

If these figures are correct I would have thought main stream media would have picked up on this by now ?

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:55 am

MOZZER1 wrote:the latest European ( EU) COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Drug Reaction figures from the European Medicine Agency up until June 19'th

https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/15472-de ... -19-shots/

If these figures are correct I would have thought main stream media would have picked up on this by now ?



This is the information from the website of mentioned company

The information on this website relates to suspected side effects , i.e. medical events that have been observed following the use of a medicine, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the medicine. The Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use. Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine.
In other words there is no scientific proof of what as been published just putting 2 & 2 together and getting nothing.... perhaps this is why not on news as its scaremongering and unsubstantiated by scientists.

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Sat Jun 26, 2021 12:00 pm

skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/


How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.




correct....a pandemic is being treated as if its coca cola and shouldnt be....


Clearly that was the point I was making :roll:

Maybe check out some propaganda from WW1 and WW2 to see how governments “relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public”

Or the wars in the Middle East. Or the immigrant crisis in the lead up to Brexit. Or how public views on the miners strikes or suffragettes were swayed.



you can add as many look at the ceiling things as you like.....and as many non comparisons because just like EVERYTHING else / until wiki grows an arm and can reach out and shake you , your going to continue with a few lists but zero grasp......
you seriously think a government should be treating a pandemic like a coca cola campaign...?


Again, not what I said is it. Do they let you on planes being as dense as you are?

The OP and the article they've linked seems to think propaganda and subliminal messaging are some sneaky new trick that Boris and co have stumbled on. It's been around forever, long before Coca Cola were doing it.

Currently the government's biggest priority is opening up from lockdown, the easiest and most effective way is to vaccinate the population.
In a time of war the priority is getting people to fight and be willing to die. In a time of poor polling the priority is prove they're an effective government. In times of social unrest the priority is stop people joining the protesters and show that their cause isn't worth it.
And finally for Coca Cola, their priority is sell their product.

In all these cases the tried and tested method is advertising, propaganda, subliminal messaging, etc. It's not the "Coca Cola" method, it's the most effective one.

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:19 pm

WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
skidemin wrote:
WestCoastBlue wrote:
C. Rombie-Coat wrote:Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/


How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.




correct....a pandemic is being treated as if its coca cola and shouldnt be....


Clearly that was the point I was making :roll:

Maybe check out some propaganda from WW1 and WW2 to see how governments “relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public”

Or the wars in the Middle East. Or the immigrant crisis in the lead up to Brexit. Or how public views on the miners strikes or suffragettes were swayed.



you can add as many look at the ceiling things as you like.....and as many non comparisons because just like EVERYTHING else / until wiki grows an arm and can reach out and shake you , your going to continue with a few lists but zero grasp......
you seriously think a government should be treating a pandemic like a coca cola campaign...?


Again, not what I said is it. Do they let you on planes being as dense as you are?

The OP and the article they've linked seems to think propaganda and subliminal messaging are some sneaky new trick that Boris and co have stumbled on. It's been around forever, long before Coca Cola were doing it.

Currently the government's biggest priority is opening up from lockdown, the easiest and most effective way is to vaccinate the population.
In a time of war the priority is getting people to fight and be willing to die. In a time of poor polling the priority is prove they're an effective government. In times of social unrest the priority is stop people joining the protesters and show that their cause isn't worth it.
And finally for Coca Cola, their priority is sell their product.

In all these cases the tried and tested method is advertising, propaganda, subliminal messaging, etc. It's not the "Coca Cola" method, it's the most effective one.



i dont think he has implied the gov stumbled on anything....just pointing out that much about covid being treated the exact same way as non health crisis.....this really shouldnt be about a cause , an agenda or trying to sell more pop than pepsi.... he does get it.... im sure you do too just your a listoholic and therefore cannot resist the opportunity to knock one up...

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:38 pm

Hancock - Gone :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:21 pm

Wow still going, for the record everyone should do what they want, I don't think people who refuse are selfish or irresponsible, it's your prerogative do what you think is best for you.

My belief is that people are at less risk from taking the vaccine than not, but that's just my view and the majority of the medical profusion ad people will disagree.

One observation is that the virus is now spreading mostly among youngsters and giving them immunity without causing them too much harm, which is potentially a good alternative to the vaccine as long as they don't infect very elderly relatives, especially if they are not double jabbed. One way or the other immunity is growing quickly which is a good thing.

I think we are slowly getting on top of this virus, and hopefully these posts drop off the board and into history, like the Brexit posts.

Good luck bluebirds lets hope we are all safe and supporting our team again very soon, whichever side we are on with this debate :thumbup: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:25 pm

TopCat CCFC wrote:Hancock - Gone :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:


What a plonker, he had to go the ridicule was unbelievable, I don't think I've ever had as many joke whatsapps, they were relentless!

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:23 pm

Bluebina wrote:Wow still going, for the record everyone should do what they want, I don't think people who refuse are selfish or irresponsible, it's your prerogative do what you think is best for you.

My belief is that people are at less risk from taking the vaccine than not, but that's just my view and the majority of the medical profusion ad people will disagree.

One observation is that the virus is now spreading mostly among youngsters and giving them immunity without causing them too much harm, which is potentially a good alternative to the vaccine as long as they don't infect very elderly relatives, especially if they are not double jabbed. One way or the other immunity is growing quickly which is a good thing.

I think we are slowly getting on top of this virus, and hopefully these posts drop off the board and into history, like the Brexit posts.

Good luck bluebirds lets hope we are all safe and supporting our team again very soon, whichever side we are on with this debate :thumbup: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Yep let people make their own choice not to have vaccine...... but garauntee wont be happy that cant go to Portugal unless had both doses or isolates there for 10days ... as we come out lockdown expect more activities needing proof (passport) of both doses to be able to do things vaccinated people can do.. but life goes on I'm sure eventually that they'll be able join in such activities.

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:37 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Wow still going, for the record everyone should do what they want, I don't think people who refuse are selfish or irresponsible, it's your prerogative do what you think is best for you.

My belief is that people are at less risk from taking the vaccine than not, but that's just my view and the majority of the medical profusion ad people will disagree.

One observation is that the virus is now spreading mostly among youngsters and giving them immunity without causing them too much harm, which is potentially a good alternative to the vaccine as long as they don't infect very elderly relatives, especially if they are not double jabbed. One way or the other immunity is growing quickly which is a good thing.

I think we are slowly getting on top of this virus, and hopefully these posts drop off the board and into history, like the Brexit posts.

Good luck bluebirds lets hope we are all safe and supporting our team again very soon, whichever side we are on with this debate :thumbup: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Yep let people make their own choice not to have vaccine...... but garauntee wont be happy that cant go to Portugal unless had both doses or isolates there for 10days ... as we come out lockdown expect more activities needing proof (passport) of both doses to be able to do things vaccinated people can do.. but life goes on I'm sure eventually that they'll be able join in such activities.


I don't particularly enjoy some of this posting as it has uncomfortable issues attached. But where else do you read of these things?
I am surprised that no -one picked up on the 'dirty little secret' of the alternative , non-vaccine and well proven treatment for Covid but this is a real scandal.
To lighten the mood, a pretty (MILF) Irish lady has a word to say.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1382264648372793346

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:04 pm

I did mention the unfortunate BA pilots the other day. Perhaps it's just as well we all wont be flying anywhere:

https://thecoloradoherald.com/2021/thou ... ll-or-die/

Re: Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:09 pm

C. Rombie-Coat wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
Bluebina wrote:Wow still going, for the record everyone should do what they want, I don't think people who refuse are selfish or irresponsible, it's your prerogative do what you think is best for you.

My belief is that people are at less risk from taking the vaccine than not, but that's just my view and the majority of the medical profusion ad people will disagree.

One observation is that the virus is now spreading mostly among youngsters and giving them immunity without causing them too much harm, which is potentially a good alternative to the vaccine as long as they don't infect very elderly relatives, especially if they are not double jabbed. One way or the other immunity is growing quickly which is a good thing.

I think we are slowly getting on top of this virus, and hopefully these posts drop off the board and into history, like the Brexit posts.

Good luck bluebirds lets hope we are all safe and supporting our team again very soon, whichever side we are on with this debate :thumbup: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


Yep let people make their own choice not to have vaccine...... but garauntee wont be happy that cant go to Portugal unless had both doses or isolates there for 10days ... as we come out lockdown expect more activities needing proof (passport) of both doses to be able to do things vaccinated people can do.. but life goes on I'm sure eventually that they'll be able join in such activities.


I don't particularly enjoy some of this posting as it has uncomfortable issues attached. But where else do you read of these things?
I am surprised that no -one picked up on the 'dirty little secret' of the alternative , non-vaccine and well proven treatment for Covid but this is a real scandal.
To lighten the mood, a pretty (MILF) Irish lady has a word to say.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1382264648372793346




Not sure what you are referring to but all stories are out there somewhere.... and like most things people have their own agenda for putting out information depending on their point of view..... believe it or not some people actually want this pandemic to go on because they are getting large sums of money on the back of it ...... and you can see why there are factions out there that put out misleading information on vaccines by same token see why same is done to encourage people
to take vaccine..... anyway its a personal choice to take it or not to take it and who you want to believe regarding vaccine safety? But what as become obvious and that is all over the world countries are going to insist on double vaccination before you enter that country... same thing to gain entry to events? May not be fair or right but it's how things are for the foreseeable future.