Vaccine card for entertainment entry might be coming???

Apparently we in Wales won't be able to access our vaccine status via, an app instead we will have to
access via a Web portal. Pathetic.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

Apparently we in Wales won't be able to access our vaccine status via, an app instead we will have to
access via a Web portal. Pathetic.

They said a few weeks ago they could get the Wales NHS app compatible with the English NHS app, that is pathetic if they can't!

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

That's not actually correct. Data from the Yellow Card scheme indicates there have been 1,332 deaths due to the vaccine but the MHRA actually disputes this number.
It's quite a lengthy report at 20 pages long but if you want to read it feel free:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... _clean.pdf

I'll include what the MHRA report says about the link between fatalities and vaccinations.

"Part of our continuous analysis includes an evaluation of natural death rates over time, to
determine if any specific trends or patterns are occurring that might indicate a vaccine safety
concern. Based on age-stratified all-cause mortality in England and Wales taken from the Office for
National Statistics death registrations, several thousand deaths are expected to have occurred,
naturally, within 7 days of the many millions of doses of vaccines administered so far, mostly in the
elderly."

"The MHRA has received 421 UK reports of suspected ADRs to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in
which the patient died shortly after vaccination, 885 reports for the COVID-19 Vaccine
AstraZeneca, four for the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and 22 where the brand of vaccine was
unspecified. The majority of these reports were in elderly people or people with underlying illness.
Usage of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca has increased rapidly and as such, so has reporting
of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link
between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of
reporting does not suggest the vaccine played a role in the death."

And when explaining what the Yellow Card scheme is:

"Many suspected ADRs reported on a Yellow Card do not have any relation to the vaccine or
medicine and it is often coincidental that they both occurred around the same time. The reports are
continually reviewed to detect possible new side effects that may require regulatory action, and to
differentiate these from things that would have happened regardless of the vaccine or medicine
being administered, for instance due to underlying or undiagnosed illness.
It is therefore important that the suspected ADRs described in this report are not interpreted as
being proven side effects of COVID-19 vaccines."

Taking that into account, if we look at the data from the Yellow Card scheme then there are 393 fatalities simply listed as "Death". No symptoms, no blood clots or heart attacks or allergic reactions, etc. As we all know, we were vaccinating millions of elderly people so I think it would be fair to say that deaths with zero symptoms and none related to vaccinations could be considered natural causes.

Another 129 deaths were from heart attacks, the second leading cause of death. Again, an extremely common occurrence in elderly people. With the data provided by the website it's impossible to know whether every fatality from a heart attack in the days/weeks after the Covid jab were specifically caused by the Covid jab but I'd imagine some weren't. As I said though that distinction can't be made with the given data.

However I would think it's fair to consider the 393 deaths with zero symptoms to be coincidental due to the age range of the vaccination drive meaning death would be almost inevitable in a few weeks from being vaccinated so the "real" death toll is closer to 900 than 1,332. Even then that's assuming every fatality reported is due to the vaccine which, personally, I would doubt.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

those are not the odds though....your talking as if dying of Covid is random across the board in our population where it is not.... Covid deaths are massively dependent on age and general health .. not that you are guaranteed to contract covid to start with.... would deaths be as low ? ...you quite simply do not know.... what we do know is cases are up massively from this time last year yet deaths are down {cases for the 7 days 16th - 22nd June last year were 6468..this year the corresponding week the figure is 71,400 } { deaths though are down from 398 in those 7 days to 91 this year... } and we are told the majority of the newly infected are those who have not had the vaccine..

reports today and now trending on twitter of a new strain of covid has been detected in India

Now they are calling it the delta plus variant

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/hea ... us-variant

when is all this going to end

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

Reason why vaccine ready so quickly is the money and resources thrown at this. Scientific community quickly realised the seriousness of this (and it has shut the world down) and acted quickly. They had data from the SARS virus and they had the genetic code. They then started work and due to the resources available were able to start phase two while still in phase one of vaccination testing. That normally doesn’t happen not because it’s unsafe but because phase one completion and peer review gets more funding.

This was different. Hence the expedited availability of the vaccine. Rather than pour scorn it should be celebrated as a major step forward in all vaccine development moving forward.

reports today and now trending on twitter of a new strain of covid has been detected in India

Now they are calling it the delta plus variant

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/hea ... us-variant

when is all this going to end

Never there will always be covid and always new variants, but vaccines will be updated and keep it at bay, it will just be like the flu in three or four years when the rest of the World catches up and is vaccinated.

In the meantime we can live with it and will probably have yearly booster to keep ahead of it!

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

Reason why vaccine ready so quickly is the money and resources thrown at this. Scientific community quickly realised the seriousness of this (and it has shut the world down) and acted quickly. They had data from the SARS virus and they had the genetic code. They then started work and due to the resources available were able to start phase two while still in phase one of vaccination testing. That normally doesn’t happen not because it’s unsafe but because phase one completion and peer review gets more funding.

This was different. Hence the expedited availability of the vaccine. Rather than pour scorn it should be celebrated as a major step forward in all vaccine development moving forward.

Also companies did not have to go cap in hand to gvmnt for money to go to next stage of development of vaccine... if anyone saw or care to read up on it you will find what normally takes 4or 5 years was completed in 1year but all the safeguards normally used were still being used... 60m given at least one dose and how many assumed deaths from vaccine less than 100? Better odds than surviving corvid if catch it thats for sure..

People who have had the Vaccine have been told they still have to follow every single Covid rule as they can still catch it and still spread it.
Given that information how the Merry mosses can the OP be even feasible ?
Anyone with half a brain should be able to cut past the BS of what we are being told. If it is true then it’s another case of they haven’t got a clue what they are doing.
But my guess is so many brainwashed people out there that still believe everything they are told by those that control us.

People who have had the Vaccine have been told they still have to follow every single Covid rule as they can still catch it and still spread it.
Given that information how the Merry mosses can the OP be even feasible ?
Anyone with half a brain should be able to cut past the BS of what we are being told. If it is true then it’s another case of they haven’t got a clue what they are doing.
But my guess is so many brainwashed people out there that still believe everything they are told by those that control us.

Because the data isn’t available so they are going worst case scenario.

They are getting more confident the vaccines significantly reduces serious illness and transmission and hence they are adjusting accordingly.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

Reason why vaccine ready so quickly is the money and resources thrown at this. Scientific community quickly realised the seriousness of this (and it has shut the world down) and acted quickly. They had data from the SARS virus and they had the genetic code. They then started work and due to the resources available were able to start phase two while still in phase one of vaccination testing. That normally doesn’t happen not because it’s unsafe but because phase one completion and peer review gets more funding.

This was different. Hence the expedited availability of the vaccine. Rather than pour scorn it should be celebrated as a major step forward in all vaccine development moving forward.

you can not rush or buy the time element... and as you well know that is exactly what happened and why the license is temporary .

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

but making false claims cuts both ways surely.... and sorry but i do not think anyone should be lining up for a vaccine having been fed false information like money can buy time...it cant ..now if you are aware of that and want the vaccine, fair enough ...

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

but making false claims cuts both ways surely.... and sorry but i do not think anyone should be lining up for a vaccine having been fed false information like money can buy time...it cant ..now if you are aware of that and want the vaccine, fair enough ...

Money doesn’t buy time money provides resources which can reduce time.

Time taken is because there are say 500 hours of work needed to do a task. If you have 500 people it’s done in one hour if you have 250 people two hours but if one person it’s 500 hours.

That’s the way the creation of the new vaccinations happened. They had lots of resources Which reduced the time.

I have started as a Covid vaccinator and the Drs who are where I vaccinate people are confident in the vaccine and the people I’m vaccinating are very happy to be getting vaccinated.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

but making false claims cuts both ways surely.... and sorry but i do not think anyone should be lining up for a vaccine having been fed false information like money can buy time...it cant ..now if you are aware of that and want the vaccine, fair enough ...

Money doesn’t buy time money provides resources which can reduce time.

Time taken is because there are say 500 hours of work needed to do a task. If you have 500 people it’s done in one hour if you have 250 people two hours but if one person it’s 500 hours.

That’s the way the creation of the new vaccinations happened. They had lots of resources Which reduced the time.

I have started as a Covid vaccinator and the Drs who are where I vaccinate people are confident in the vaccine and the people I’m vaccinating are very happy to be getting vaccinated.

People have most certainly not read up on how the vaccine was produced in such a short time ... basically the origins was already established so uk had head start ... and instead of going through hoops everytime needed to progress from one stage to another mainly finance they were given blank cheque and Iinstead of waiting months for funding they had instant access eg was able to hire private jet to get things from abroad instead of waiting 6 mnths for funding... all relevant protocols were followed regarding safety it was the decision making by gvmnt depts that was speeded up and enabled the vaccine to be produced in 1 year instead of many years ..... people are basing things on stuff like blood clots or reaction to vaccine as reason for it being unsafe? Our of 60m doses given how many deaths have occured? Less than 100 and have they been proved to be because of the vaccine no just linked ..... personally if people dont want take vaccine out of personal
choice that's their prerogative and cannot complain if face restrictions when general restrictions are lifted for those vaccinated.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

but making false claims cuts both ways surely.... and sorry but i do not think anyone should be lining up for a vaccine having been fed false information like money can buy time...it cant ..now if you are aware of that and want the vaccine, fair enough ...

Money doesn’t buy time money provides resources which can reduce time.

Time taken is because there are say 500 hours of work needed to do a task. If you have 500 people it’s done in one hour if you have 250 people two hours but if one person it’s 500 hours.

That’s the way the creation of the new vaccinations happened. They had lots of resources Which reduced the time.

I have started as a Covid vaccinator and the Drs who are where I vaccinate people are confident in the vaccine and the people I’m vaccinating are very happy to be getting vaccinated.

many things that take 500 hours actually take 500 hours , thats whether 1 person is doing it or 1 person is doing it and 499 are looking on... but that was not my point ..the time element is where adverse reactions and side effects come to light after a period of time .... if after a year or 2 years its found { i do pray nothing is } the vaccine causes leukemia, infertility , pick your own side effect ..it will actually have taken that time frame.... you do not get the same result by monitoring 700 people for 1 day as 1 person for 700 days no matter how much money you have


its why its authorisation for roll out was temporary and has been extended temporarily 3 or 4 times for 1 or 2 months at a time... to make out otherwise and somehow you can compress years of clinical trials into weeks is just not true....
and yes people are happy to have it... probably think money = time , which is what vaccinators think...

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

Exactly, what I can't understand is that most of the anti-vaxxers are also anti lockdown?

Surely if they don't want lockdowns, let the governments of the World get on with the vaccination programme which is proving to be successful in reducing restrictions, and if we can get a high percentage of people vaccinated they would get more freedom?

Or they could promote antivaxxer propaganda and have a lower take up, and further lockdowns?

It seems to be mixed thinking, maybe just anti establishment and like to do the opposite of the what they are advised to do?

you do not understand how someone that was skeptical about the lockdowns and was predicting the next step being the magic vaccine is now skeptical about the magic vaccine.... being Skeptical about this particular vaccine does not make anyone an anti vaxxer either..it simply means somewhere in their memory there was something about vaccines more so than drugs needing to be vigorously tested over years, some times decades and a quick check confirmed this... ?????????....or does it make Drs who are picking up problems in data a bunch of cranks.. every single negative side effect to a drug/ vaccine has started with a very small number of people picking up on it ...no doubt bina senior was calling the first doctors /scientists cranks when they suggested there was a problem with thalidomide.... bur eh oh just keep up the name calling and all will be fine...

It's not really aimed at people who are quietly concerned and just won't take it, that seems perfectly reasonable to me? It's aimed at anti-vaxxers that going out of their way to make any link possible to discredit the vaccine and going out of their way to try and put people off having it, I don't understand what they have to gain?

but making false claims cuts both ways surely.... and sorry but i do not think anyone should be lining up for a vaccine having been fed false information like money can buy time...it cant ..now if you are aware of that and want the vaccine, fair enough ...

Yes of course there will be some false claims, but the majority of information comes from more reliable sources, than atomic Joes bedroom in Milton Keynes.

It's basic risk analysis, 10% of the population have had covid, 2 Million plus will have long covid, hundreds of thousands will have had serious illness and gone to hospital, and hundreds of thousands will have died.

86% of the population have had the jab, and there are some possible links to deaths although they are unclear that they wouldn't have happened anyway as the numbers as so close to normal death rates.

The main point is if those 86% of people hadn't stepped forward to receive the jab, we would still be in a permanent lockdown, something had to be done.

The way people are talking the pharmaceutical scientists just put a mixture of ingredients together and called it a vaccine for covid .....and experimented on anyone stupid enough to try it? Now you've got 60million other lemmings in this country having it and countless billions across world as well

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

Sorry missed out a 0 on 100..... but like said no proof killed all them just coincidence but undoubtedly some have died but not all of them.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

Sorry missed out a 0 on 100..... but like said no proof killed all them just coincidence but undoubtedly some have died but not all of them.

And reports of women having abnormalities with their periods after having the vaccine. Report back THEY THINK it’s coincidental. They think so they can’t categorically say their isn’t a link.
Not saying there is a link but they can’t prove at the moment otherwise either. But what can’t be denied it is an experimental vaccine but where I have a problem being experimental they have used it on so many.
I have different reasons why I don’t want it but that’s my choice. I have no problem with those that want it but where I get pissed off is when they are trying to blackmail or shame me into having it.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

Sorry missed out a 0 on 100..... but like said no proof killed all them just coincidence but undoubtedly some have died but not all of them.

And reports of women having abnormalities with their periods after having the vaccine. Report back THEY THINK it’s coincidental. They think so they can’t categorically say their isn’t a link.
Not saying there is a link but they can’t prove at the moment otherwise either. But what can’t be denied it is an experimental vaccine but where I have a problem being experimental they have used it on so many.
I have different reasons why I don’t want it but that’s my choice. I have no problem with those that want it but where I get pissed off is when they are trying to blackmail or shame me into having it.

Women have abnormalities with their period after having the pill.

The social conditioning has clearly worked very well with some. So insouciant about hard won freedom being taken away. Absence of rational thought. So much emotional commitment.

If you were thinking of a major purchase, wouldn't you do some research/ Read the reviews? Seek advice and treat the vendor's sales patter with caution?

Risky 'jab' for a holiday in Benidorm (which is unlikely to happen this year at least)? No thank you.

Here's the NZ Doctors Speaking Out with Science:

https://nzdsos.com/

Cool post.

How many Doctors, Scientists and Dentists are there in NZ? They have 50 putting their name to that.

Cool, considered, reply.

There are of course, many fewer doctors scientists and dentists in NZ than there are sheep but that's not the point. And lets face it, only a small percentage of medics in the UK (and elsewhere) who have the wit to question what is happening, are prepared to speak out openly,.

I've no idea if you read the linked letter, but it is very good at setting out the problems.

Perhaps most importantly it highlights what is one of the dirtiest little secrets about this whole business. That being the existence of trial proven theraputic alternatives to 'the jab' which have been firmly supressed and even banned by Governments.

Just like the rest of society, you can get crank doctors, very few but they are out there, 50 crank doctors in New Zealand sounds about right out of the hundred of thousands?

Then you have to question are they really practising doctors, or just odd balls who attained the status but can't get a job and sit in their bedroom peddling their daft theories all day on the internet?

Theres concern about rising infections in their country banned flights from Australia so now cut off from the world.... Sydney going into lockdown rise in infections and country still isolated from rest of world......if it gets an hold in these countries even lockdowns wont prevent massive rise in deaths.... can argue all day long about ethics of vaccine and its safety but simple facts are it is preventing deaths none In wales since about 8th June or do people actually believe without being vaccinated deaths would be as low? Also If its that dangerous how come less than 100 deaths arguably caused by reaction to vaccine out of 60m people given at least one dose? Prefer those odds to getting covid without being vaccinated.

The actual official MHRA data states that up to 9th June there have been 1,332 deaths Allan, not the 100 you state.

Sorry missed out a 0 on 100..... but like said no proof killed all them just coincidence but undoubtedly some have died but not all of them.

And reports of women having abnormalities with their periods after having the vaccine. Report back THEY THINK it’s coincidental. They think so they can’t categorically say their isn’t a link.
Not saying there is a link but they can’t prove at the moment otherwise either. But what can’t be denied it is an experimental vaccine but where I have a problem being experimental they have used it on so many.
I have different reasons why I don’t want it but that’s my choice. I have no problem with those that want it but where I get pissed off is when they are trying to blackmail or shame me into having it.

Women have abnormalities with their period after having the pill.

And often when they don't have the vaccine or the pill, they are more complex than us, they have more things go wrong more often, but generally live longer. Income protection used to cost them more, and life cover was cheaper for them, before the gender neutral pricing !

The majority of these reportable incidents are just people having problems they would have had anyway.

Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/

Dont know why there's an argument at end day people who think its unsafe ect dont have to take the vaccine thats their choice? but looking at things they're the ones who will have problem doing things because more and more establishments buisnesses will want proof of 2 vaccinations before let people inside premises or into countries even! But I'm sure wont be bothered as wont be poisoned by unsafe covid vaccine .

Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/

How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.

Dont know why there's an argument at end day people who think its unsafe ect dont have to take the vaccine thats their choice? but looking at things they're the ones who will have problem doing things because more and more establishments buisnesses will want proof of 2 vaccinations before let people inside premises or into countries even! But I'm sure wont be bothered as wont be poisoned by unsafe covid vaccine .

I just don't understand why people like Bluebina feel the need to lie by using terms like anti vaxxers, conspiracy nuts, selfish, irresponsible people.....when they feel so safe and confident that the vaccine is the miracle cure. Obviously they will be safe and well.......why try and belittle deeper thinkers who have dug further and decided it's not for them?

It's called freewill ffs. Are they are so scared that there may be a problem that has not yet come to light?....and thus we should all sink in the same ship!

And as for the Govt. bribe that you can do what you want when you have been vaccinated.....how's that going? If I can't see Cardiff again so be it, go to a pub so be it.....travel abroad so be it......that will not be a big enough sweetner to change my mind.

Are you happy that the British Government has been using psychological warfare on it's own population?

'The Government’s public health messaging had relied heavily on fear inflation, shaming and scapegoating to influence the behaviour of the British public.'

Summary article with links to more detail:

https://www.hartgroup.org/covert-psychological-nudges/

How's that different to any of the ways of getting people to sign up to the armed forces? Or political ads? Or ads in general?
Coca Cola, Ladbrokes, McDonalds, etc don't just film an ad chuck it on the air and call it a day. There's obscene amounts of cash involved and hours and hours of tweaking, fine tuning and editing to make sure their advert is stuck in your brain so you choose their product and not someone else.


Boris Johnson's bridge to Ireland is pure nonsensical fantasy but run enough articles and mention it often enough and you start changing the connection between "Boris" and "Bridge" from his failed London garden bridge to the man with bold and ambitious plan to improve the UK's infrastructure.

Likewise when Boris talks about making and painting model busses in his spare time, you can steer the narrative away from pictures of Boris in front of the "£350m NHS" Brexit bus.

When the government tweet out social distancing guidelines which include "Keep 2 metres apart, that's the equivalent of 3 fridges" it's odd enough and silly enough people talk about it and stop associating fridges with Boris Johnson hiding in a fridge to avoid reporters.


This isn't some deep secret that's been uncovered that blows open the whole thing open. It's standard practice and has been for centuries.

correct....a pandemic is being treated as if its coca cola and shouldnt be....