Panorama - Vaccinations the disinformation war - Tonight

Could be interesting tonight 10:45pm Wales - 19-35 England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

i can imagine....find a video with wild claims on the internet ..get experts to tear it to pieces without addressing the main points people bring up about the vacccines.. bit like fullfact..

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Is it because the vaccines started a similar time as the spread of the new variant that is much more active?

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Is it because the vaccines started a similar time as the spread of the new variant that is much more active?

and out comes the ace of trumps card....the most played card during the corona outbreak...
make ridiculous claims... facts prove wrong very soon after...out comes that ace again....
if this sort of thing had only happened a hundred or 2 times id get the no questions asked attitude...
but its all the time. .and its very predictable...

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Is it because the vaccines started a similar time as the spread of the new variant that is much more active?

and out comes the ace of trumps card....the most played card during the corona outbreak...
make ridiculous claims... facts prove wrong very soon after...out comes that ace again....
if this sort of thing had only happened a hundred or 2 times id get the no questions asked attitude...
but its all the time. .and its very predictable...

It has been proven that the new variant spreads more.

I’m not sure what your angle is? I agree with you on many things. There is an over reaction to a virus that kills a small percentage of healthy people. But it does kill an abnormal amount of older people. They live on care homes. If there is a new variant that spreads quicker and it gets into care homes it would explain a rise in deaths.

What else is the reason for the increase in deaths? The vaccine?

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Is it because the vaccines started a similar time as the spread of the new variant that is much more active?

and out comes the ace of trumps card....the most played card during the corona outbreak...
make ridiculous claims... facts prove wrong very soon after...out comes that ace again....
if this sort of thing had only happened a hundred or 2 times id get the no questions asked attitude...
but its all the time. .and its very predictable...

It has been proven that the new variant spreads more.

I’m not sure what your angle is? I agree with you on many things. There is an over reaction to a virus that kills a small percentage of healthy people. But it does kill an abnormal amount of older people. They live on care homes. If there is a new variant that spreads quicker and it gets into care homes it would explain a rise in deaths.

What else is the reason for the increase in deaths? The vaccine?

does pointing out that the spoon fed narrative constantly changes require an angle ?
id say believing it is where the agenda / angle lies...and atm your take is we have been locked down which has/will cause thousands of deaths and untold economic and social damage to give care home patients a few more months ?

It was reported earlier that over 60% of those in hospital now are under 50.

Is this going to focus on the government misinformation, or is it just going to be a one-sided propaganda/PR exercise? Don't watch is my advice

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I haven’t been able to find anything remotely close to such a claim. Odd

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I haven’t been able to find anything remotely close to such a claim. Odd

I am not just talking in the uk, take Gibraltar then as an instance, 5 deaths in care homes since last March, six weeks after vaccination roll out, 79 more six weeks after?? A care home in Devon of just 12 residents, no deaths, after jab all 12 have covid, and two staff members? Five in a serious condition.I don't do links, as I read an awful lot of different stuff, and only keep records apof shit that peaks my interest,and sorry covid isn't on that list as such.If you want to believe I've made it up,for what benefit? I gain nothing by it.but if you believe death rates are not much higher than before, fine.I have read different, including one doctor running out the line of"they were old and had Co morbidity/is , and it was always a risk giving the vaccine to these people" but it's nothing to do with the vaccine? Well if it is such a risk to these types,then why can't it be the vaccine that causes the reaction that pushes them over the edge? Not trying to be controversial, just interested in how one minute being old with underlying illness,was not an excuse, instead of "another covid death" ?

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I haven’t been able to find anything remotely close to such a claim. Odd

not really close.. but fullfact.. otherwise known as coronaphobe and scaremongers weekly has a 71% increase and a 60% increase in this piece ...
https://fullfact.org/online/care-home-deaths-2021/
and were thoughtful enough to not count care home residents ill enough to go to hospital and then die ...
good news though none of them died of the vaccine

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I haven’t been able to find anything remotely close to such a claim. Odd

I am not just talking in the uk, take Gibraltar then as an instance, 5 deaths in care homes since last March, six weeks after vaccination roll out, 79 more six weeks after?? A care home in Devon of just 12 residents, no deaths, after jab all 12 have covid, and two staff members? Five in a serious condition.I don't do links, as I read an awful lot of different stuff, and only keep records apof shit that peaks my interest,and sorry covid isn't on that list as such.If you want to believe I've made it up,for what benefit? I gain nothing by it.but if you believe death rates are not much higher than before, fine.I have read different, including one doctor running out the line of"they were old and had Co morbidity/is , and it was always a risk giving the vaccine to these people" but it's nothing to do with the vaccine? Well if it is such a risk to these types,then why can't it be the vaccine that causes the reaction that pushes them over the edge? Not trying to be controversial, just interested in how one minute being old with underlying illness,was not an excuse, instead of "another covid death" ?

First of all, lets talk about Gibraltar and look at the timeline:
6th Jan - 10 deaths
10th Jan - 16 deaths (First vaccine dose administered)
20th Jan - 53 deaths
27th Jan - 70 deaths

So before the vaccines had even arrived to The Rock, Covid deaths and cases were already on the rise.

However, on the 27th of January over 11,000 people had received the first dose and of that 11,000 a total of 6 people in that group have died. All 6 tested positive for Covid and were between 70 and 100 years old, they also were given the Pfizer vaccine which doesn't contain any live virus so they didn't contract Covid from the injection. The vaccine does not provide immediate protection the moment it enters the body, at some point soon after receiving their jab these 6 people caught the virus and ended up passing before the vaccine could take effect.

Secondly, the Devon care home. Again the vaccine doesn't contain a live virus and can't give you Covid. Unlike some vaccines and jabs in the past which use parts of the virus/bacteria/disease the Covid vaccine does not so I don't know what point you're trying to make is. 12 people not having Covid and then having Covid after the jab isn't linked to the vaccine. The closest link is the nurse or whoever administered the vaccine was infected without knowing.

Thirdly, "if you believe death rates are not much higher than before" I don't. I specifically said they're lower because they are. In terms of deaths our peak was 22nd January with 1,248 deaths per day over a 7 day average. Today the 7 day average is 672, yesterday was 688, the day before it was 718 and the day before that it was 754. Since the 27th of January every single day has seen a decrease since the previous day.

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

It was good, it showed the anti-vaxers meeting in London, a right strange lot, just shouting things like Corona isn't real and we had flu when we were young and didn't lock down. The first character refused to wear a mask on the tube, wow what a rebel and just didn't want a vaccine because she didn't believe in covid and shouldn't be made to do things like have to wear a mask. She sounded very principled and adamant about her rights and what the government should be doing and was protesting for people not to have it either. At the end they did a recap Julia has already had the vaccine because she's a care worker and needed t for work

I wonder if they show the fact that care home deaths since roll out have surged 5 fold?? Doubt it!

Not sure where you got those numbers from, first I've heard of anything like a 500% increase in deaths in care homes. Are you sure it's 5 fold and not a fifth?

Regardless they'll probably focus on the death rate halving and the case rates dropping ~80% in the past month

No doubt he will put up the link where it shows there has been a 5 fold increase ( unless of course he is just making it up ).

I haven’t been able to find anything remotely close to such a claim. Odd

I am not just talking in the uk, take Gibraltar then as an instance, 5 deaths in care homes since last March, six weeks after vaccination roll out, 79 more six weeks after?? A care home in Devon of just 12 residents, no deaths, after jab all 12 have covid, and two staff members? Five in a serious condition.I don't do links, as I read an awful lot of different stuff, and only keep records apof shit that peaks my interest,and sorry covid isn't on that list as such.If you want to believe I've made it up,for what benefit? I gain nothing by it.but if you believe death rates are not much higher than before, fine.I have read different, including one doctor running out the line of"they were old and had Co morbidity/is , and it was always a risk giving the vaccine to these people" but it's nothing to do with the vaccine? Well if it is such a risk to these types,then why can't it be the vaccine that causes the reaction that pushes them over the edge? Not trying to be controversial, just interested in how one minute being old with underlying illness,was not an excuse, instead of "another covid death" ?

First of all, lets talk about Gibraltar and look at the timeline:
6th Jan - 10 deaths
10th Jan - 16 deaths (First vaccine dose administered)
20th Jan - 53 deaths
27th Jan - 70 deaths

So before the vaccines had even arrived to The Rock, Covid deaths and cases were already on the rise.

However, on the 27th of January over 11,000 people had received the first dose and of that 11,000 a total of 6 people in that group have died. All 6 tested positive for Covid and were between 70 and 100 years old, they also were given the Pfizer vaccine which doesn't contain any live virus so they didn't contract Covid from the injection. The vaccine does not provide immediate protection the moment it enters the body, at some point soon after receiving their jab these 6 people caught the virus and ended up passing before the vaccine could take effect.

Secondly, the Devon care home. Again the vaccine doesn't contain a live virus and can't give you Covid. Unlike some vaccines and jabs in the past which use parts of the virus/bacteria/disease the Covid vaccine does not so I don't know what point you're trying to make is. 12 people not having Covid and then having Covid after the jab isn't linked to the vaccine. The closest link is the nurse or whoever administered the vaccine was infected without knowing.

Thirdly, "if you believe death rates are not much higher than before" I don't. I specifically said they're lower because they are. In terms of deaths our peak was 22nd January with 1,248 deaths per day over a 7 day average. Today the 7 day average is 672, yesterday was 688, the day before it was 718 and the day before that it was 754. Since the 27th of January every single day has seen a decrease since the previous day.

Exactly how can anyone actually believe the vaccines will make things worse??????????

Could be interesting tonight 10:45pm Wales - 19-35 England

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000scy8

What I still don't understand is why people who are scared to have the vaccine or can't due to medical reasons try to put others off when it will undoubtedly provide them with risk free protection?

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

It was good, it showed the anti-vaxers meeting in London, a right strange lot, just shouting things like Corona isn't real and we had flu when we were young and didn't lock down. The first character refused to wear a mask on the tube, wow what a rebel and just didn't want a vaccine because she didn't believe in covid and shouldn't be made to do things like have to wear a mask. She sounded very principled and adamant about her rights and what the government should be doing and was protesting for people not to have it either. At the end they did a recap Julia has already had the vaccine because she's a care worker and needed t for work

Have to be fair, I watched and all I saw was the usual 'anti-establishment' odd-balls that would frequent pretty much any event on any subject, so long as it gave them a platform for their (I'll be polite here) 'largely uninformed' views

Did the Anti-Vaxxers more harm than good (excuse the pun) and the girl on the train said nothing of sense and then worsened her stance by stating "I don't believe in Covid" followed by "I only now three people who have had it..."

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

It was good, it showed the anti-vaxers meeting in London, a right strange lot, just shouting things like Corona isn't real and we had flu when we were young and didn't lock down. The first character refused to wear a mask on the tube, wow what a rebel and just didn't want a vaccine because she didn't believe in covid and shouldn't be made to do things like have to wear a mask. She sounded very principled and adamant about her rights and what the government should be doing and was protesting for people not to have it either. At the end they did a recap Julia has already had the vaccine because she's a care worker and needed t for work

Have to be fair, I watched and all I saw was the usual 'anti-establishment' odd-balls that would frequent pretty much any event on any subject, so long as it gave them a platform for their (I'll be polite here) 'largely uninformed' views

Did the Anti-Vaxxers more harm than good (excuse the pun) and the girl on the train said nothing of sense and then worsened her stance by stating "I don't believe in Covid" followed by "I only now three people who have had it..."

Yep don’t believe in it but know three people who have had it was a genius line.

A more astute interviewer would have picked up on that I feel.

Ever since the infamous Tommy TakeDown Panorama episode (which they never showed). Where Robinson / Laxley Lennon put an undercover journalist in with Panorama head John Sweeney. Robinson managed to show that Panorama lie, twist and manipulate evidence. Sweeney himself revealed himself to be somewhat racist and homophobic. He used Hope not Hate to go after witnesses and intimidate them etc. It ended with Sweeney getting sacked and the bbc never aired the show.

So for me - 100 % zero integrity in the work they have done or do in future. All their 'investigations' need to be called into question. Im sure tonights episode will be no different

Ever since the infamous Tommy TakeDown Panorama episode (which they never showed). Where Robinson / Laxley Lennon put an undercover journalist in with Panorama head John Sweeney. Robinson managed to show that Panorama lie, twist and manipulate evidence. Sweeney himself revealed himself to be somewhat racist and homophobic. He used Hope not Hate to go after witnesses and intimidate them etc. It ended with Sweeney getting sacked and the bbc never aired the show.

So for me - 100 % zero integrity in the work they have done or do in future. All their 'investigations' need to be called into question. Im sure tonights episode will be no different

You're (quote) "sure..."?

Hmmmm...Laxley-Lemmon? Now there's a name to connect with the word 'integrity...'

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

i can imagine....find a video with wild claims on the internet ..get experts to tear it to pieces without addressing the main points people bring up about the vacccines.. bit like fullfact..

Why didn't the BBC simply invite an anti-vaccine Doctor to appear on the show? Waste of time the BBC are.

Since the BBC has been infected by the far left, that once decent show is now worth missing.

It was good, it showed the anti-vaxers meeting in London, a right strange lot, just shouting things like Corona isn't real and we had flu when we were young and didn't lock down. The first character refused to wear a mask on the tube, wow what a rebel and just didn't want a vaccine because she didn't believe in covid and shouldn't be made to do things like have to wear a mask. She sounded very principled and adamant about her rights and what the government should be doing and was protesting for people not to have it either. At the end they did a recap Julia has already had the vaccine because she's a care worker and needed t for work

TV license payers would of preferred a BBC interview with Doctors against vaccines. Why does any intellectual opinion get 0% airtime contrary to the Goverments' position

Not a problem is it? I'm sure one of Bill Gate's funded scientists would tear an anti-vaxxer Dr a new one with all the research they've done

Why not go for a proper heavyweight clash. Anti-vaxxer scientist vs pro-vaccine scientist. Let the boffins fight it out. Who did the BBC interview exactly? I didn't watch

A woman refusing to wear a mask on public transport and a care worker, just by browsing prev posts.