VAR GET IT RIGHT & WRONG?

Today var did the impossible and got 2 decisions right and 2 wrong or couldn't make mind up? 2 players tried conning ref for penalty in different games both times var told ref take a look and he reversed his decision "good call" but in Southampton wolves game two handball one for either side 1st one ball blasted 2 yards player turns back ball hits arm penalty given to wolves ...then ball lobbed into area by s/ampton lands clearly on wolves players arm no penalty! So question is are premier league referees the worst in Europe as this situation been going on since var introduced?

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

Not the worse in Europe as I'm sure every country using VAR has the same issue. Like anything else with var it's down to the person with the final decision and people will always make mistakes & sometimes be inconsistent.

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

So the handball in wolves game both correct ned? Why was wolves given and not Southampton if anything Southampton a clear handball compared to wolves one....
The other two pens both times ref gave them but var said no!

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

So the handball in wolves game both correct ned? Why was wolves given and not Southampton if anything Southampton a clear handball compared to wolves one....
The other two pens both times ref gave them but var said no!

No, my point is the penalty given to Wolves was the wrong decision but not giving a penalty to Southampton was the right decision.

I don't think either of them were penalties.

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

So the handball in wolves game both correct ned? Why was wolves given and not Southampton if anything Southampton a clear handball compared to wolves one....
The other two pens both times ref gave them but var said no!

No, my point is the penalty given to Wolves was the wrong decision but not giving a penalty to Southampton was the right decision.

I don't think either of them were penalties.

How can the officials get it so wrong? Like said Southampton claim better than wolves one by a mile yet they see them as different to extent they dont give it... if give one have to give other or as handball rule changed during game?

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

So the handball in wolves game both correct ned? Why was wolves given and not Southampton if anything Southampton a clear handball compared to wolves one....
The other two pens both times ref gave them but var said no!

No, my point is the penalty given to Wolves was the wrong decision but not giving a penalty to Southampton was the right decision.

I don't think either of them were penalties.

How can the officials get it so wrong? Like said Southampton claim better than wolves one by a mile yet they see them as different to extent they dont give it... if give one have to give other or as handball rule changed during game?

That's true.

There's no consistency, that's the problem. I saw that Ole said he had no complaints about the West Brom goal today but was annoyed because Man Utd had a goal just like that disallowed a few weeks ago.

Decisions in West Brom v Man Utd and Arsenal v Leeds (so far) have been spot on in my opinion.

Personally didn't think either penalty should have been given in the Southampton v Wolves game.

So the handball in wolves game both correct ned? Why was wolves given and not Southampton if anything Southampton a clear handball compared to wolves one....
The other two pens both times ref gave them but var said no!

No, my point is the penalty given to Wolves was the wrong decision but not giving a penalty to Southampton was the right decision.

I don't think either of them were penalties.

How can the officials get it so wrong? Like said Southampton claim better than wolves one by a mile yet they see them as different to extent they dont give it... if give one have to give other or as handball rule changed during game?

That's true.

There's no consistency, that's the problem. I saw that Ole said he had no complaints about the West Brom goal today but was annoyed because Man Utd had a goal just like that disallowed a few weeks ago.

Thats what managers are complaining of the consistency? But today the fouls that were given us exactly what I've been complaining of players manipulating var to their advantage both went down without cause ref gives pen but var says you are wrong ref agrees and no pens.... yet same two officials agree on two handball decisions with one clearer than other yet they give the more dubious handball whilst ignoring the obvious one! What did they see in Southamptons handball that was so different from 1st one? Dont they understand handball rule anymore.....

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

Refs in Europe have always been finicky when it comes to yellow cards! What is clearly happening is players in premier league teams are falling over at mearest touch by opponents finger or toe knowing that var will see contact (using slow motion) and very high percentage of such contact pens are given... ned if you look at the pens given this season you'll see 90%+ of attacking players are moving away from goal and manipulate their foot in front of defender to initiate contact to gain pen.... you will even see defender in possession going to clear ball and attacking player put foot in front of defender even though he knows wont get ball just to claim a foul and they're given... to me var unintentionally as made decision making even more chaotic and inconsistent as two officials have say in decisions instead of one? And as we know all decisions are subjective and unfortunately it seems var and ref not on same hymn sheet when it comes to what is of isnt a pen!

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

Refs in Europe have always been finicky when it comes to yellow cards! What is clearly happening is players in premier league teams are falling over at mearest touch by opponents finger or toe knowing that var will see contact (using slow motion) and very high percentage of such contact pens are given... ned if you look at the pens given this season you'll see 90%+ of attacking players are moving away from goal and manipulate their foot in front of defender to initiate contact to gain pen.... you will even see defender in possession going to clear ball and attacking player put foot in front of defender even though he knows wont get ball just to claim a foul and they're given... to me var unintentionally as made decision making even more chaotic and inconsistent as two officials have say in decisions instead of one? And as we know all decisions are subjective and unfortunately it seems var and ref not on same hymn sheet when it comes to what is of isnt a pen!

Yeah, that's getting worse definitely.

Gary Neville pointed out that Tammy Abraham tried to win a penalty tonight, by putting his foot where Jamal Lascelles was about to kick the ball. Thankfully the referee didn't fall for it.

Ended up getting injured because of it and you could say that was karma.

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

Refs in Europe have always been finicky when it comes to yellow cards! What is clearly happening is players in premier league teams are falling over at mearest touch by opponents finger or toe knowing that var will see contact (using slow motion) and very high percentage of such contact pens are given... ned if you look at the pens given this season you'll see 90%+ of attacking players are moving away from goal and manipulate their foot in front of defender to initiate contact to gain pen.... you will even see defender in possession going to clear ball and attacking player put foot in front of defender even though he knows wont get ball just to claim a foul and they're given... to me var unintentionally as made decision making even more chaotic and inconsistent as two officials have say in decisions instead of one? And as we know all decisions are subjective and unfortunately it seems var and ref not on same hymn sheet when it comes to what is of isnt a pen!

Yeah, that's getting worse definitely.

Gary Neville pointed out that Tammy Abraham tried to win a penalty tonight, by putting his foot where Jamal Lascelles was about to kick the ball. Thankfully the referee didn't fall for it.

Ended up getting injured because of it and you could say that was karma.

Yes serves him right! Been saying it for ages now players manipulating var due to it micro managing incidents? Why does it need to get involved if ref is 2yds away and makes a decision only for var to question it! Thats not what var is for.... but like tonight and wkend officials appear to be getting wise to players manipulation lets hope it continues otherwise football is going to be sterile with non contact in area .

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

Refs in Europe have always been finicky when it comes to yellow cards! What is clearly happening is players in premier league teams are falling over at mearest touch by opponents finger or toe knowing that var will see contact (using slow motion) and very high percentage of such contact pens are given... ned if you look at the pens given this season you'll see 90%+ of attacking players are moving away from goal and manipulate their foot in front of defender to initiate contact to gain pen.... you will even see defender in possession going to clear ball and attacking player put foot in front of defender even though he knows wont get ball just to claim a foul and they're given... to me var unintentionally as made decision making even more chaotic and inconsistent as two officials have say in decisions instead of one? And as we know all decisions are subjective and unfortunately it seems var and ref not on same hymn sheet when it comes to what is of isnt a pen!

Yeah, that's getting worse definitely.

Gary Neville pointed out that Tammy Abraham tried to win a penalty tonight, by putting his foot where Jamal Lascelles was about to kick the ball. Thankfully the referee didn't fall for it.

Ended up getting injured because of it and you could say that was karma.

Yes serves him right! Been saying it for ages now players manipulating var due to it micro managing incidents? Why does it need to get involved if ref is 2yds away and makes a decision only for var to question it! Thats not what var is for.... but like tonight and wkend officials appear to be getting wise to players manipulation lets hope it continues otherwise football is going to be sterile with non contact in area .

Totally agree with that.

VAR decisions have mostly been much better this weekend. Only poor game for it was Southampton v Wolves like you said.

How can 1 pen be given and the other not in the Southampton / Wolves game ??

Arsenal / Leeds - got both correct ( IMO ) .

Tony that's the point of this thread are the official in premier league the worst in Europe or is it handball rule thats to blame? Musnt forget recent events when red cards were overturned after both officials agreed when no one thought they were and all said they'd be rescinded? I've previously said var was to blame but obviously it's the officials who are poor at making easy decisions..... var needs to be used only if ref asks for it not var telling ref what to do.... those 2 handballs love to hear how they were different and why blatant handball was not given when more questionable one was? "Bizarre "

To be fair, the VAR decisions are even worse in Spain and Italy.

They've had VAR for even longer as well.

Handball in Spain and Italy are given like they were at the start of the season in the Premier League. Which we were all saying were ridiculous handball decisions.


They also seem to referee the game differently than in this country. Yellow cards are given for far less in Spain and Italy. If bookings were given in this country for the same offences they are in Spain and Italy, there would be 8+ cards a game.

A bit strange, given it's still football and the same rules (other than slight differences in the handball rule).

Refs in Europe have always been finicky when it comes to yellow cards! What is clearly happening is players in premier league teams are falling over at mearest touch by opponents finger or toe knowing that var will see contact (using slow motion) and very high percentage of such contact pens are given... ned if you look at the pens given this season you'll see 90%+ of attacking players are moving away from goal and manipulate their foot in front of defender to initiate contact to gain pen.... you will even see defender in possession going to clear ball and attacking player put foot in front of defender even though he knows wont get ball just to claim a foul and they're given... to me var unintentionally as made decision making even more chaotic and inconsistent as two officials have say in decisions instead of one? And as we know all decisions are subjective and unfortunately it seems var and ref not on same hymn sheet when it comes to what is of isnt a pen!

Yeah, that's getting worse definitely.

Gary Neville pointed out that Tammy Abraham tried to win a penalty tonight, by putting his foot where Jamal Lascelles was about to kick the ball. Thankfully the referee didn't fall for it.

Ended up getting injured because of it and you could say that was karma.

Yes serves him right! Been saying it for ages now players manipulating var due to it micro managing incidents? Why does it need to get involved if ref is 2yds away and makes a decision only for var to question it! Thats not what var is for.... but like tonight and wkend officials appear to be getting wise to players manipulation lets hope it continues otherwise football is going to be sterile with non contact in area .

Totally agree with that.

VAR decisions have mostly been much better this weekend. Only poor game for it was Southampton v Wolves like you said.

Get the handball right and we are getting there? Until next balls up.....: